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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2334930 times)

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3330 on: March 21, 2016, 03:07:13 AM »
 NRamaswami Please reread post 3328 again.

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« Reply #3331 on: March 21, 2016, 08:33:05 AM »
Thanks Marathonman..Will do and ask you for detailed clarifications if needed.

Randy: Thanks for your kick on the butt.

Here is the thought process..(Repeat thought process but any one can do it now..it is so laughably simple)

I now do simulations by mind..probably how the old scientists invented back then..

The feedback system is so simple.

Let us look at a pulsed DC system for it is the easiest one to do.

Put a diode and then a lot of resistors in the form of 1 kgm coil of 32 AWG wire. You get lot of ohmic resistance. So Amperage drawn is low but voltage is high.

Air core coil. Divide the output of the coil in to two and power the two opposing electromagnets. Make the secondary in the center a smaller dia Iron core than primaries as I have shown in the pictures. The primary ends go to earth.  The primary wires are relatively thin wires and the secondary wires are thick wires. Make as many parallel primaries as are needed to ensure that the output from the secondary crosses the input voltage or if the amperage of output is high use a transformer to ensure that the transformer output is 220 volts .

The secondary is just opposite in phase with primary. Secondary Amperage and voltage higher than input. Primary input comes down with increased frequency. Resistance coil is a must for high voltage pulsed DC draws a lot of amperage unless the resistance value is high at low frequencies like 50 Hz or 60 Hz. This is not indicated by Core and Ignacio but I know it from personal experience.

The secondary once it reaches the primary input value needs to be connected back to primary input after the Diode but before the resistor. Part of secondary with a 220 volt rated metal oxide varistor will ensure that after the step up transformer. Secondary is also pulsed DC for primary is pulsed DC. Transformer changes the phase to match with primary. A neon lamp acting as a spark plug will not only reduce the amperage but will also increase frequency thus bringing down the input amperage even lower. This is only optional and we need not modify the frequency. If you want to show super duper high COP levels this can be used. But not necessary.

I repeat

We can use a capacitor to change the phase of secondary to match that of primary or use a transformer to ensure that the feedback input going back to the primary is just 220 volts and in phase with primary. 220 volt Metal Oxide Varistor will ensure this.

Figuera used an interruptted DC method at what frequency what voltage we do not know. I think that the coils of resistor just one is enough will take the inductive kickback or backemf and reduce the input (If my understanding of what Marathonman says is correct).

We do not need the complex commutator. Diode Bridge will work fine. Resistor coil is a must and without that it will not work for high voltage DC input obeys the V=IR rule. We can never expect to get the amperage down at higher voltage except by raising frequencies. But if we want to use a normal frequency the resistor coil is needed. This is not stated by Ignacio and Core has not conducted experiment with high voltage pulsed DC and I have done it and I know coils present no inductive impedance to pulsed DC and have only resistance value however you build the coil. I have not tested with spark plug to increase the frequency but all say that increasing the frequency will reduce the input amperage at primary and increase the secondary output..

The circuit is very simple. I will post it later in the day. I will use the big device I have to see if this can work. I think it should.

We just need to give the exciting current for a second. Then it is not needed any more and the system will work as Figuera says indefinitely. It is very cheap and can be made operational in any part of the world.

Electricity goes to the earth in one way and so earth current may not come back to the coils of primary. How it will act on backemf I do not know.

I need to test if this works and if it works we can put up a Video.

The device that I'm going to test will try to avoid the earth connection but the above is approximately what Tariel kapanadze video shows.

The spark plug only insures that the input frequency is high. Nothing more. It can be a Neon lamp simply. He uses an Air Core and a Tesla coil arrangement but I do not know about Tesla coils.

But otherwise the circuit is simple. 

Actually Core indicated this to me earlier but I could not understand his drawing. But Core has not experimented and so he has not included the Resistor coil. Figuera patent shows the resistor coil and this is what Marathonman says as inductive kickback capturing part of the Figuera device backemf. I think the resistance value ensures that the input value is low. But frankly I do not know if it is simple resistance or inductive kickback capture method. But it is correct that higher resistance will reduce the input amperage and can increase the primary voltage that enters the primary coils.

I ignore the NN or NS pole thing for both of them can be made to work. It is a single wire going to earth being divided in to two to make the primaries.

I will test this arrangement but I think others will do it faster than I do and post videos.

I hope that this helps..

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Ramaswami

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« Reply #3332 on: March 21, 2016, 01:20:41 PM »
 I have some questions:
 
Variacs are designed to work with AC. Could Variacs work fine from a battery? I guess common Variacs will not work with DC.  Maybe you will need a high frequency AC source, then apply the Variac and get a modulated AC output which can be later rectified to get the proper signal (low frequency) to each series of electromagnets
 
The proposal for the need to feed back each electromagnet from the one that is collapsing: Is it a theory? or Have it been tested (and confirmed) with a prototype? I suppose that before saying that it is mandatory we should be cautious and verify it with a proper device. If it is just a theory it would be better to advice people that it is just a proposal. If not, please provide some info about the tests done, blocking and not blocking the reversal feeding toward the other series of electromagnets.
 
Also about the use or not of diodes, the only way to discard that design is testing it (with and without diodes) and see the difference. Maybe Figuera did not use diodes (because they were not still invented in that time) but this does not assure that diodes are forbidden. I saw with an scope the two output signals and they had the proper shape for exciting each series of electromagnets (I posted the picture) . I did not get results, but the signals were fine. Maybe it was for any other reason I don´t know. It is better not to reject possibilities unless they had been tested properly.
 
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3333 on: March 21, 2016, 04:27:37 PM »
For what it's worth, the following arrangement gives 2 pairs of inductors (one pair wired opposite to other to give same magnetic polarity) using A/C input with one diode for each pair. Others are likely to be able to test this configuration sooner than me.

Obviously this arrangement can be extended to give 2 sets of inductor pairs in series, each set wired in the opposite direction to the other.

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« Reply #3334 on: March 21, 2016, 04:57:19 PM »
I do not understand the Henrys shown for inducyors but you all appear to be testing with very smLl input.
Diodes and diode bridges are ok ar 12 volts to 50 volts bit thry eill condume large amperages as the voltage goes up.

In the arrangement posted by Batfish one of them should be thin wires of high resistance and
another thick wire and this is nothing but Daniel McFarland Cook design.
AC is induced AC in the above circuit and not supplied. But this is the primary.
I apologise that I have not uploaded the simple circuit for Ramaswami device and will fo so tomorrow.
Whatever knowedge I get I have a religious voe t disclosebit.in full and I will do so. No hiding  any thing.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3335 on: March 21, 2016, 06:14:30 PM »
NRamaswami:
Al usar 220 volt con series de bobinas (7bobinas) cada bobina, recibe ~ 31.4 volt si usas 110 volt (ok) ~ 15.7 cada bobina, con diodos esta bien.

By using 220 volt with series of coils (7 coils) each coil receives ~ 31.4 volts if you use 110 volt (ok) ~ 15.7 each coil, diode is good.

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« Reply #3336 on: March 21, 2016, 07:07:11 PM »
This may be clearer: 2 sets of inducer pairs with 2 diodes per set:
[[N a1, Sa1],[N a2, S a2]]
[[N b1, Sb1],[N b2, S b2]]

The inductance is not significant - this is just to illustrate a possible arrangement.

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« Reply #3337 on: March 21, 2016, 11:53:16 PM »
Yes Hanon variac's can be used with DC but to save confusion just call it a Rheostat that uses the magnetic field in the core (reluctance) to control the amperage NOT RESISTANCE.
Figuera did not have to use Diodes and would not of because they will block the energy being put back into the system. basically he did it the smart way using magnetics to control amperage.

it doesn't matter any way's even if the information was on the faces of people they would wipe it off and try something else. good luck you'll need it

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3338 on: March 22, 2016, 01:28:19 AM »
Lo entiendes, es tu diseño.
you understand ? this is your design.

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3339 on: March 22, 2016, 03:56:53 AM »
Good God your stupid, i guess when God said brains you thought he said trains and yelled ! "I want a slow one"

Ya'll successfully fucked off a good forum that had posted enough information to get a working device..... then came STUPIDITY !

have fun Dumb asses with your third world tech support and circuits....ha ha ha ha !

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« Reply #3340 on: March 22, 2016, 04:39:54 AM »
marathonman, you've crossed the line for no supportable reason.

please modify your last message, and think a little harder before you post next time. thanks.

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« Reply #3341 on: March 22, 2016, 06:55:30 AM »
NRamaswami:
Al usar 220 volt con series de bobinas (7bobinas) cada bobina, recibe ~ 31.4 volt si usas 110 volt (ok) ~ 15.7 cada bobina, con diodos esta bien.

By using 220 volt with series of coils (7 coils) each coil receives ~ 31.4 volts if you use 110 volt (ok) ~ 15.7 each coil, diode is good.

Question draw:

Ignacio:

No  Patent will disclose full details.

From my experiments I already know that Parallel connected opposing Primaries in NS-NS-NS configuration work best.

While you divide the voltage with series connection for parallel Connection The voltage is not diminished. Consequently the output is higher. If you were to use AC we can use multifilar thin coils 10 to 12 in number and reduce amps drawn. In Pulsed DC the only thing that Counts is resistance of the Coil and frequency . So before Current enters the electromagnets you need to increase the frequency and frequency if possible.

Both of these things are done if you use a None Lamp that will light up at 220 volts and a big resistance coil of No. 30 to 35 AWG Kg coil properly wound as the array shown in Figuera Patent. You give this to the Primary as input and let the Primary ends to go to the ground.

Now the current drawn is very low and if you connect the secondary in series using thick wires the output of secondary will be far higher. You can easily get this.

The feedback coil comes from secondary and the phase is changed using either a capacitor or transformer to make the output exactly about 220 volts. Use a Metal oxide Varristor and a 0.5 Amp fuse to control the current and the voltage and give it again through a high resistance coil and neon lamp. The Diode Bridge is to be used to make the current full positive sign wave current. Since the current always flows in this method the full positive sign wave will always be above zero and a collapsing magnetic field is actually prevented.

Lenz Law is said to be absent when the magnetic field is not allowed to collapse and this happens in this kind of arrangement. But for that you need to use Diode Bridge. A half wave with diodes will result in the magnetic filed to collapse.

Using this method it is possible to produce electricity with a one time input to start the system and then the system will always run automatically until the components wear out. Then they have to be replaced and then the system can be again restarted.

Reducing the amperage reduces heat. Increasing the frequency increases heat. Therefore the core must be not a single iron piece but a lot of rods. Then it beoomes aero iron core where the air between the iron rods can hold a lot of magnetic field and the strength of the magnetic field becomes very high. The heat in the iron rods makes the cool air from the environment to flow in to cool the air and more ionized air moves out and air continues to circulate cooling the iron.

This core will work for any frequency. There is no need to make it above 25000 hertz for the output would be very high in the secondary. The pulsed DC output of secondary has to be made pure DC and then inverted to 50 Hz or 60 Hz AC using Inverter.

Here you can use the Primary core and can wind the coils under the primary and above the primary to reduce the size of the device. To prevent saturation of the core the Primary cores need to be much bigger in diameter and longer than the secondary core.

Please see the attached circuit.. Hand drawn..Not yet tested This circuit is the one that would ensure production of electricity in any part of the world. This has been hushed up for it will make many countries with poor population to grow rich very fast and not be dependent on fossil fuels or grid connections.

The Tariel video shows the two earth connections and the earth connections can be avoided and are not needed.

I have not yet tested the circuit. We await funds and electrical engineers. But it will work.

Let me know if you have doubts. 

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« Reply #3342 on: March 22, 2016, 11:59:45 AM »
 Seems to me running off mains power is not a good test of something that is intended to run itself. No matter how efficient it may be it is still dependent on the grid.I might even question if it is not just drawing excess power from customers nearby through the earth ground. If it were only one connection say the ground for safety that would be more reasonable.even then it might be arguable.
  Since your last step was to think about how you are going to make it work so it can be unconnected seems likely the first few steps might be such that it is too far removed from the principle for that to work. If you can use a gas powered portable generator and double the output that would be something useful as an improvement of portable generators. At the very least you would have a actual generator of electrical power in hand to study what a generator is. If you can use stored battery power and recharge that battery while running useful loads so it can start again later free from the grid that would be more to the spirit of the invention. A generator free of a rotating field magnet with a rotating or changing  field is an extraordinary notion and an impossible one if you do not know how a generator works in first place. If it is that easy to forget all the functions in a generator with a rotating magnet then make a list on paper and pin it where you have to look at it all the time until it is invading you dreams when your sleeping. The only thing being removed from the standard is the physical spinning of the magnet everything ells still has to exist and work properly. If your goal is to build some type of transformer of mains power I think that has been done and in use regularly everyday without so much as a thought.

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« Reply #3343 on: March 22, 2016, 01:57:10 PM »
Thanks for the constructive criticism Doug:

We can simply use a single Earth connection or two earth connections both not being tied to the grid in any way or No Earth connection.

I have not shown a No Earth connection as it is vastly confusing and needs to be tested. I believe it will work but belief or principle is one thing and experimental result is another thing. Experimental results always triump over what we feel. Presently I'm building a device based on McFarland Cook and Figuera and Hubbard and Cater Hubbard device Combinations as modified by me as needed based on several experiments. Do not know if it will run on its own. In that device there is no earth connection. The iron is oscillated once and it continues the vibration and due to that oscillating electromagnet the secondary coils produce the output. I will test it first and then decide about  posting it based on results. 

With all my limited knowledge of what is a Generator or what is a battery I have to beg to disagree with you. The Tesla Radiant Energy Apparatus patent is a Generator. All it needs to be activated is a High voltage, High Frequency spark to hit the plate continuously. This is what the Tesla coil does. If we combine both we have a generator. Both of them have separate ground points. Can we say that Tesla was stealing energy from the grid when the grid as such was non existent. We can say Tesla was stealing Energy from the Earth and Environment and it would be correct but No body owns the Telluric Current and Static Electricity in the Atmosphere. So it is again not stealing really. I showed the prototype of the device under construction without Earth connection to one very knowledgeable person on the forum and he elected not even to discuss that and did not want to be part of that in any way. That was a confirmation to me that the device would work. Let me test and see. 

I'm really amazed by the refusal to accept the simple reality. Here the High Voltage lab professor refused to accept the voltage between two different earth points for the Learned professor claimed earth being neutral there cannot be any voltage between two different earth points and that they would consider it a shunted coil but are willing to accept that 20 amps of amperage was flowing in the shunted coil. How can the Volt meter show the difference in that case?

I have made a two separate ground connections which are not connected to the mains. If the ground used is the mains ground your argument is valid. If the ground point is a dedicated non mains ground point there cannot be any drawing of current from the Grid or stealing of current. So to avoid all confusions I'm making a no ground device. While lights will light up would motors run on that. We need to test.

Either Figuera was Right in creating a motionless Generator or You are right that it does not and cannot work like a generator. Secondly the input needed would be only for one instant and not a continuous one. Continuous charging of batteries should be possible but batteries suffer from charging rate and discharging rate problems. So batteries can be replaced by capacitors and they can power the inverter to provide the proper frequency output. Inverters and batteries do provide output when the power goes out. 

Not knowing much of Technical stuff I have to end up splitting my hair what is a Generator and what is not? One Professor said no Technical person would accept any thing that can be considered a violation of laws of physics as interpreted by them or their professional growth is gone.

I promised to get this knowledge that if I get this knowledge I would make it public domain so all can use it. I believe I have lived up to that promise. The No ground connection device is there but I need to test it before making any statement.
 
Even this self looping circuit is yet to be tested but I have seen higher amperage and higher voltage being produced in secondary than the primary and so I'm confident that this would work.

I'm grateful for the constructive criticism.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3344 on: March 22, 2016, 08:44:51 PM »


No  Patent will disclose full details.

 

^^ this is a fact that gets past the majority of researchers .

one more name that needs to be added to motionless generator list is German captain Hans Koler but again the info released is useless . Koler ran his house with his generator .


there is voltage difference between clouds and earth all day long , this was studied in the 1800s . I wouldnt be surprised if Bose did research into telluric currents
good luck with your research