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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1471752 times)

Offline Doug1

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IMO I do not think coils S,N,Y actually meen south and north pole faces. Studying the layout closely I think the Coils S and N are facing each other with the same sign pole faces.The need for seperate core peices is so the field caused by the pulse "on" travels through the other two coils opposite (y+n)or (s+n)so the direction of induction on the center coil and the off coil are the same. Current is added back in series with the on impulse acting upon the off coil through the power source. So if the on impulse was 12 volts + the feild would project through the two other core peices and coils.The reaction on the center coil would act like half a sign wave be it up or down. The outer coil which is off would induce in reverse direction of it's on state at a lower voltage or amperage but would add to the source voltage in series.A clever way to use as much of the feild as possible drawing in and using the lesser force on the far side of the induced coil used to power the load. Im not sure if enough current could be produced to remove the starting power source or not. The only way that could work is if there is unequal abillity of inducing a magnetic feild in a core piece when comparing voltage to ampere. Meaning if I use 1 volt and 100 amp on a core will it be the same measure of gauss feild as compared to 1 amp and 100 volts using identical cores and windings. So that the load could be used in part as a source once it is started even if that ment it has to be stepped up or down to add to the impulse field the strongest magnetic feild that it can produce without taking away from the productitvity of operating the load.Boy that was a bitch to explain that thought.

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IMO I do not think coils S,N,Y actually meen south and north pole. Studying the layout closely I think the Coils S and N are facing each other with the same sign pole faces

Doug, you could be right. I had already noted that in the whole text of the patent there is no reference where it is explicitly stated that "N" means north and "S" south. In fact it is just written: " Suppose that electromagnets are represented by rectangles N and S. Between their poles is located the induced circuit represented by the line “y” (small). "

It is also curious the way of naming the induced circuit:  "y"  , and the clarification has always intrigued me:  "y" (small)

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Doug,
Could you post a simple diagram of what you mean? I have read this twice and I'm still not sure.
Thanks Garry

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Offline hanon

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I have been thinking that a possible configuration for Mr. Figuera 1902 motionless generator http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf is based on exciting the coils with a two-phase AC current in order to create a rotating magnetic field in the generator (as Tesla´s egg of Columbus). In this case the 1902 generator would be also composed by two unphased signals delayed 90º as Mr. Figuera did it in his 1908 generator.

I would like you guys have a look to D'Angelo patent www.rexresearch.com/angelo/us2021177.pdf. In figure 15 (XV in romans numbers) it is represented a generator very similar to Figuera´s 1902 generator. D'Angelo excited his generator with the unphased signals represented in figures 5b and 5c  (V-b  and V-c in romans)

More info about D'Angelo: http://www.rexresearch.com/angelo/angelo.htm

Please comment your opinion about this patent. Do you see any paralellism between Figuera´s patent and D'Angelo´s patent?

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I dont know if I will get time to make a drawing or not over the week end. Work consumed all my time over the last week. Now i have a pile of work to look forward to at home.Im exhausted just thinking about it. Had a look at DeAngelo's patent read most of it in the dark at 3:30 am just to be able to read it without interuption. Those compound windings are madning to follow.He must of learned how to make his own contact segments from scratch so he could layer them anyway he wanted. I would like stay away from moving parts and brushes but i do see the simlarity in the theory of operation.Clever use of graduated combinations on the stator poles which could be a useful idea. You were very fortunate to stumble on that patent thank you posting it. Everyone is wakeing up and so my free time is gone like a fart in a typhoon. Being on the computor is a an attractant for the people around you to start asking why the sky is blue and why water is wet or did you see the latest video of another stupid pet and or child.

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Hi all,
I wanted to share my views for Figuera's 1902 patent. During my commuting time to work, I wrote the following about the 1902 patent. Please, forgive me for the poor quality of the hand drafted sketches but I do not have the time to make it better. All the sketches and figures can be found in the following webpage: [size=78%]http://imageshack.us/v_images.php[/size]
I uploaded image files because I was not able to upload the PDF version of the document. I had to convert it from PDF to JPEG. The following is the write up of the document:


Lenz’s law is a universal law of nature and there is no escape from it. Because of the standardization in the construction of today’s electric machines, the effect of this law is to transmit any disturbances generated by a connected load back to the source. Lenz’s law is the main justification for stating that electrical machines cannot operate with efficiencies greater than 100%. The standardization in the construction of electric machines (transformers, generators, and motors)  is enforced by organizations such as ANSI/IEEE, NEMA, IEC, etc.
However, it is a fact that electric machines can be built with higher output power than the input. The starting character of the over unity transformers or Motionless Electrical Generators (MEG) is the Spanish engineer Don Clemente Figuera. The work of Mr. Figuera is completely different than the work performed by Nikolas Tesla. Clemente Figuera experimented with coils having low frequencies and low voltages. The low frequency application allowed Mr. Figuera to use iron cores for his devices. On the other hand, Nikolas Tesla experimented with coils having high frequencies and high voltages. Because of the high frequency application, Tesla’s coils used non-magnetic cores.
Figuera and Tesla have two different technologies for the manifestation of over unity. Figuera teaches the techniques for minimizing the effects of the Lenz’s law to a point where passive electric machines become electric generators. Tesla, on the other hand, squeezed energy out of copper wires in such a high quantities that it can be compared to a cold fusion reaction. For example, Tesla estimated the power of his wireless transmitter to be approximately 100,000,000 volts at 1,000 Amps. THAT IS A LOT OF POWER!!!
Turning our attention back to the Figuera’s patents, it can be seen an incremental improvement. For instance, the Spanish patent #30376 from 1902 discloses a generator with fixed rotor and stator and a moving induced winding moving through the air gaps. Spanish patent #30378 from 1902 discloses a true MEG. Clemente discovered that electrical power can be generated without moving parts and with efficiencies greater than 100%. The 1902 patents were sold to a consortium of banks. And finally, the Spanish patent #44267 from 1908 shows an ingenious method for minimizing the effects of the Lenz’s law.
I disagree with the concept that the 1902 device requires two shifted phases or a rotating magnetic field. The 1902 patents should only require a single phase input AC voltage while the 1908 patent requires two DC voltage pulses shifted 90 electrical degrees.
For a magnetic filed to induce a voltage in a coil, the net magnetic field cutting the turns of the coils shall be nonzero. For example, FIG. 1 shows five magnetic force lines pointing in a direction leaving (exiting) the winding. The net magnetic field cutting the winding turn is equal to five magnetic lines of force. Because the net magnetic field cutting the winding is nonzero, there is a nonzero net voltage induced in the winding. Assume that the voltage polarity is positive when the direction of the magnetic field points outward. FIG. 2 shows five magnetic force lines pointing in a direction entering the winding. The net magnetic field cutting the winding turn is equal to five magnetic force lines. Because the net magnetic field cutting the winding is nonzero, there is a nonzero net negative voltage induced in the winding. If the numbers of magnetic lines entering and leaving the winding are equal, then the net induced voltage is zero. This condition is shown in FIG. 3.
As described in my previous paper where I explained the concept of operation for Figuera’s 1908 patent, the polarity of the induced voltage is such that it will generate a current in which the associated magnetic field will always oppose the magnetic field that induced the voltage in the first place. The latter condition is also known as Lenz’s law.
FIG. 4 is my version of the configurations of the Exterior and Interior windings (a, b) of the 1902 patent. It is important to note that the 1902 patents do not meet today’s patent application requirement for disclosing the idea with enough details as to allow the device replication by a person with skill in the art. The patents of 1902 are not easily replicated because of the absence of important details. Great amount of detective work is required in order to replicate the device. Therefore, the device in FIG. 4 illustrates details of the interconnection of the windings not disclose in the 1902 patents.
The next task is the most important, to determine the layout configuration of the induced winding. The lack of details for the location of the turns of the induced winding is a major flaw in the 1902 patents. Nevertheless, an analysis - similar to the one used for describing the operation of the device shown in the 1908 patent – can be performed to figure out the riddle with relative ease.
Let us try first the induced winding configuration with the coil plane parallel to the plane of the page. FIG. 5 shows such a configuration. If we assume the relative polarity of the Exterior and Interior windings (a, b) is as shown in FIG. 5, then it represents the condition when the magnetic polarity of the Interior windings (b) are not equal forcing the magnetic field B to enter and exit the Induced winding turns (c) similar to the condition described above for FIG. 3. Because the magnetic field entering the Induced windings (c) also leaves, the net induced voltage is zero. The null voltage condition is true for any polarity combination except when all Interior windings (b) have the same relative magnetic polarity.
FIG. 6 illustrates the condition in which the relative magnetic polarity of the Interior (or Exterior) windings is the same.  FIG. 6 shows the condition already described above for FIG. 1, and therefore, there should be a net induced voltage in the Induced winding (c). However, because the magnetic lines must be closed paths, the magnetic field escapes in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the page resulting in an increased reluctance due to larger air gaps along the magnetic path formed outside of the device’s dimensions. This can be considered an inefficient magnetic design.
FIG. 7 illustrates what can be a possible working configuration of the Induced windings (c) as originally intended by Clemente Figuera. The Exterior and Interior windings (a, b) must be connected to provide a relative magnetic polarity as shown in FIG. 7. As you can see form the figure, the Induced winding (c) is cut by a magnetic field only exiting the Induced winding, and as previously explained in FIG. 1, there will be a net voltage induced in the c-winding – Induced winding. If a load is connected to the c-winding, a load current would be established generating an induced magnetic field around the c-winding. BECAUSE THE INTERIOR WINDINGS (b) ARE TOTALLY ENCLOSED BY THE INDUCED WIDING (c) THE INDUCED MAGNETIC FIELD WILL ENTER AND LEAVE THE TURNS OF THE INTERIOR WINDING (b) INDUCING A ZERO NET VOLTAGE, WHICH RESULTS IN A CANCELLATION OF THE EFFECTS OF THE LENZ’S LAW. IN OTHER WORDS, THE LOAD CURRENT FLOWING IN THE c-WINDING IS NOT REFLECTED BACK TO THE b-WINDING. It should also be remembered that the Lenz’s law always occurs, that is, the induced magnetic field has a polarity that opposes the polarity of the inducing magnetic field originating at the Interior winding (b). However, the symmetry of the quadratic configuration of the Interior windings (b) and the Induced winding (c) causes a balancing effect on the induced magnetic field that enters and leaves the turns of the Interior winding (b). The direction of the induced magnetic field generated by the c-winding shown in section I-I is perpendicular to the plane of the page, that is, it flows toward or away from the viewer.
FIG. 8 shows an additional set of c-windings along the horizontal axis for increased power. Note that the magnetic field lines, shown with green lines, enter in the horizontal c-winding and leave the vertical c-winding.
FIG. 9 shows another possible embodiment of the 1902 device. If symmetry is maintained, the balance of the magnetic paths should produce the magnetic flow drawn with continuous green lines. On the contrary, if the magnetic paths become unbalanced, the magnetic flow can also branch out as shown in dashed green lines.
Can you see any similarities between Figuera's work and Thanes'? Does Figuera's device make obvious Thanes' device?
Thanks to all!
Bajac
« Last Edit: June 23, 2013, 05:56:37 AM by bajac »

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Suggestion : please zip your pdf and upload here.

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Offline bajac

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Forest,


I already reached the limit of my upload quota.


Thanks,
Bajac

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Thanks Alvero and Hanon
 Been a long week.
 Have you considered how fast the little comutator gizmo will have to spin to output AC at 50 to 60 htz? It does all seem to be sort of backwards or inverse.

If one revolution of the commutator produces one electrical cycle then 60 revolutions per second will produce 60 Hz and 3600 RPM will produce 60 Hz.

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I'm genuinely interested to see what experiments can reveal about this setup. Even though I'm skeptical I'm also hopeful.

From my researches into two phase/split phase induction motors, ( I have a Split Phase induction motor, which is basically a Two phase motor on a three wire plan that runs from a single phase power). The way it does that is simple, there is a capacitor in series with one of the two windings which shifts the phase in the winding with the capacitor in it's circuit by about 90 degrees. And that produces a rotating magnetic field just like in a three phase induction motor. The capacitor and the second winding can be de-energized after the motor is started and it works like a single phase motor, but it has more power when both windings are used all the time. And the power factor is better.

Like all induction motors, at idle with no shaft output taken the input is still significant, they get closer to 100 % efficient as the load gets nearer to the rated load for the motor.

Most have good full load efficiency but none are over 100%.

Lenz's law in my opinion is directly related and (in proportion) to the energy transferred from the supply to the load/rotor. With some motors they have low idle power and that increases a lot when loaded and other motors can be made to maintain a constant (high) input and an output that won't change the input but is limited to the amount of the input less losses. Some motors are made so that as the speed drops so does the input, so the input drops under load (some pulse motors).

Anyway, I'm all for experimenting and checking things out, and I certainly wouldn't ignore some free energy. If it happens I'll be very interested to find out how so I can try to do it in different ways.

I'm surprised there isn't at least some replications on the you tube.

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Farmhand,


Lenz's law has no relation to the amount of energy or power being transferred. The law refers only to the polarity of the coil voltages when induced by magnetic fields.


Bajac

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I think (and I tried to told all of you about it) Lenz law is just Newton III law applied to EM fields. Just spot the negative factor -  both have: equal and opposite reaction. Both are the governons which eliminate the immediate explosive accumulation of force, so it's very rare in nature. I have no solid proof about this yet.

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bajac : can you just post the pdf with pictures somewhere to let us download it ?

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Forest,


Can you recommend a way or website?


Bajac

Offline iflewmyown

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Bajac,
I spent about 6 weeks full time building and testing both the 1908 and the 1902 stationary generators. We are missing some very important point. In one of the patents Clemente mentions the Rumpkorf coil which is an open path magnetic circuit driven by an interrupter. The large Rumpkorf coils used disk shaped secondaries. Also in the rotating generators there is mention that there is no reaction from moving copper only through a magnetic field without a core. This is of course wrong. Just drop a magnet down a copper pipe. In Mexico right after Clemente died, Benitez files for British patents on similar ideas. I have no doubt that these inventions work, just not as drawn in the patents.
Garry

 

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