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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2354216 times)

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1110 on: March 24, 2014, 01:01:10 AM »
Marathonman:

Then your Tesla calculations are also wrong. They would come only about .6 Tesla for a 307 turns and 12.5 cm I core  No core saturation and you may get good results. All the best.
So basically your telling me the program i am using is wrong and the results i posted on post #1071 is wrong. well you better email the guy that coded the program and tell him he is wrong to while your at it.

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« Reply #1111 on: March 24, 2014, 01:05:10 AM »
"Closed mind" is a different concept, albeit related.
If that is what he meant than he should choose his words more carefully. 

If your interpretation is correct than it becomes apparent that he did not read any of my more unconventional posts, yet is quick to judge me as "close minded" just because I quoted some well known power measuring principles.
Just because there is a lot of authoritarian dogma taught in physics departments does not mean that all of it is wrong.  Electric engineering, power measuring principles, Ohm's law, etc.. are on of the areas where the mainstream has it correct ...and it can be verified experimentally any time.
Then let him prove my science wrong with the scientific method - not with name calling.
Dieter better focus on criticizing my ideas and logic, rather than my state of mind.
Didn't realise he called you names.
I tend gloss over most of the measurement discussions on this forum and skip straight to the looping attempts. It would take me less time on the workbench than to understand half of what is been said with regards to measurement.

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« Reply #1112 on: March 24, 2014, 01:59:36 AM »
Hello Hanon!

Well I'm sure we can mix the AC and DC, it just should be done right.
Please use my previous schematic just for simulation, because in real life conditions I think there would be unwanted currents (as high as 3,2A) runing through the batteries and the transformer...not so good...

So now I made a better schematic with 2 separate transformers. This should be good for testing. The 2 transformers can be also replaced by one transformer with separate double outputs (two separate windings - not connected to one another)
There will still be unwanted currents runing through the batteries and the transformer, but not higher than 1,6A peak. I think this is the best I can do for it to be as simple as possible, otherwise to obtain that waveforms you would need a special 2 phase generator, or even special equipment and that means lots of $.

Hope this helps!
Schematic:
http://s26.postimg.org/u8deqo5kp/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_2_tr.jpg

Dann

Hi Maddann,

I have re-think it and your proposal is perfect. It is what Figuera said: "while one current is increasing the other is decreasing". I have just one doubt: Can we mix an AC source with a DC source in the same circuit?

Also there is a page where a 3-phase AC current is transformed into a 2-phase AC current with 90º unphase using a "Scott Connection". I do not know what is that, but I put here the link in order that anyone may use it:

http://blog.aulamoisan.com/2013/05/conexion-scott-de-red-trifasica-red.html

Latter the 2-phase AC current may be rectified to get the required final signals.

I hope it helps

Regards

a.king21

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1113 on: March 24, 2014, 02:41:22 AM »
Exactly. 
O/I Power measurements become superfluous if long self-running condition is achieved, without external energy delivery.  Nature is the ultimate verifier of O/I>1 claims.


The circuit I posted is a self runner circuit.

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« Reply #1114 on: March 24, 2014, 05:05:40 AM »
So basically your telling me the program i am using is wrong and the results i posted on post #1071 is wrong. well you better email the guy that coded the program and tell him he is wrong to while your at it.

The program is not wrong. Your input was wrong. You have earlier said the lenght of the coil is 1 inch and then you corrected it. I entered the corrected figure for the 5 inch length and 307 turns and you get the results. Please go through the program and what it asks you to insert and insert the .125 meters or 12.5 cm for the 5 inch coil and you get the result.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1115 on: March 24, 2014, 09:31:10 AM »
Hello Hanon!

Well I'm sure we can mix the AC and DC, it just should be done right.
Please use my previous schematic just for simulation, because in real life conditions I think there would be unwanted currents (as high as 3,2A) runing through the batteries and the transformer...not so good...

So now I made a better schematic with 2 separate transformers.
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Schematic:
http://s26.postimg.org/u8deqo5kp/Double_offset_ac_generator_for_Figuera_with_2_tr.jpg

Dann

Hi Dann,

Thank you very much !!
 
I see that you have simulation skills. I would like you to try to simulate your previous circuit but instead of using 2 DC sources maybe you can sustitute them by 2 diode briges and 2 capacitor (using a kind of scheme similar to the one included in  post  #1064) in order to convert AC current into the DC (where required). This way we could skip mixing AC and DC sources and we will just need AC. Also we will save the 2 transformers. Do you think it is possible?

It will be nice to have all your circuit based just on one standard AC source. I think there will be more wires and diodes but the final result will be easier to implement. Don´t you think so?

Thanks in advance!!

verpies

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1116 on: March 24, 2014, 12:21:49 PM »
The circuit I posted is a self runner circuit.
Does it function longer than 1200h at 10W load for each 1kg of the battery?
...or more than 12h for 1kW load... ?

The Li-Air battery has a theoretical energy density limit of 12kWh/kg, so any device containing batteries is conventional below this limit.

How long does your device function with a 1F capacitor in place of the electrochemical battery?

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Info from a guy who built a successful Figuera generator
« Reply #1117 on: March 24, 2014, 12:52:15 PM »
Hi all,

I am sharing some info that was not released previously. If you have followed the forum from the beginning a spanish guy posted in some websites that he had replicated the generator successfully. I could get his email address and I contacted him by email and he wrote me many times. Unfortunately he did not disclose the exact system but he preferred to write about concepts and analogies. I did what he suggested but I could not have success. Now I am releasing in the attached pdf all the info that that guy sent me (I promised him not to reveal his email). Suddently he stopped sending more emails, so I think he thought that there were enough info in those emails. He said that he used as input 12 volts and 3 Amps and he got as output around 3500 W. I think that he did not test all that he described, I suppose that he jsut had a simple coil system, so please, take that info with much care and disect from it just the important ideas.

I post here all this info. Maybe someone could get any idea about this prototype. I couldn´t because the info is very contradictory. You can use Google Translator to get the text into english.

I hope it will help. I uploaded it in an external link because it is 5.5 MB

Regards

Link to view the pdf file:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/5yxy8e2lm5icgt7/Notas_usuario_replica_Generador_Clemente_Figuera.pdf

Link to download the pdf file directly:
http://download1639.mediafire.com/yhqfh9qauqng/5yxy8e2lm5icgt7/Notas+usuario+replica+Generador+Clemente+Figuera.pdf

Good Luck. I really hope someone could do it soon !!

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1118 on: March 24, 2014, 01:09:49 PM »
The program is not wrong. Your input was wrong. You have earlier said the lenght of the coil is 1 inch and then you corrected it. I entered the corrected figure for the 5 inch length and 307 turns and you get the results. Please go through the program and what it asks you to insert and insert the .125 meters or 12.5 cm for the 5 inch coil and you get the result.
Dude its like talking to the wall with you. the F-in core is 5 inches the F-in coil is 1 inch are you blind or what. NEVER MIND i would rather speak to my 10 year old Grandson at least he understands me.
Thanks anyways.

a.king21

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« Reply #1119 on: March 24, 2014, 01:12:58 PM »
Does it function longer than 1200h at 10W load for each 1kg of the battery?
...or more than 12h for 1kW load... ?

The Li-Air battery has a theoretical energy density limit of 12kWh/kg, so any device containing batteries is conventional below this limit.

How long does your device function with a 1F capacitor in place of the electrochemical battery?
Dieter made a claim of cop 6.
So I posted a circuit that would prove it. I have not built the circuit.
Obviously my next step would have been to ask him to replace the battery with a capacitor.

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« Reply #1120 on: March 24, 2014, 02:26:48 PM »
Hello dieter,

I hope you will be able to confirm the overunity effect of your setup.
I think you were lucky to use such low power levels, because this was helping to not saturate the core you are using.

So when you build this setup bigger, in order to obtain an output-voltage that can recharge a lead acid battery, you should probably take care that you again work below saturation of the core. Using a big (heavy) core may help (but I am not an expert).

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« Reply #1121 on: March 24, 2014, 04:00:52 PM »
You can imagine if it is working correctly that you could operate it like a auto motive gen/alternator. You should be able to get it started from a battery and once it is running you should be able to remove the positive battery connection and have it continue to run. Anything short of that is an indication that something is flawed. Any failure has value in what you can learn from it that may be of use later in another part or another type of build all together. I dont see any value in making arguments personal.
 Best of luck to you all.

 Q<A out 1.1
 

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« Reply #1122 on: March 24, 2014, 04:26:06 PM »
Just came across my old ledskinnin pmh made from an electric brake.I set it into a locked state with a holding force of 39lbs 10 oz and it's still holding firm against the same amount since 2007.woohoo.

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« Reply #1123 on: March 24, 2014, 06:26:37 PM »
Hi Dieter:

1. Please do not worry about negative comments. Take them in your stride.

2. Remove the resistor and try to check the same system with a variac if you have one. See if you can give 200 volts and 1 or 2 amps to the device. You will need to use different types of coils I guess.

3. Take the criticism constructively. In AC when voltage is at its peak, Amperage is at is lowest. When Amperage is at its peak, voltage is at its lowest. So the average of the two has to be taken and it is very difficult. Pulsed DC has the same problem.

4. I do not know how to make these measurements but I do know that these problems are present in AC measurements. Last week for an input of 220 volts and 15 amps I hit an output of 300 volts and 10 Amps. I had a load of 14 x200 watts lamps glowing very bright. But unless the amperage at the output also goes beyond the 15 amps input, we cannot be sure of COP>1 performance. This output of 300 volts and 10 amps came out of using only one of the three modules of the Figuera device.

5. My experiments have been reviewed and personally checked by a professor who declined to accept the results. He however agrees that there is some thing here and is trying to replicate the results. Then they will measure. 

6. There is some thing strange in the Figuera device design. When the same coil is used as is used in Figuera device, the coil consumes only 680 watts. When you test it on individual components the same coil notwithstanding the high AC impedance shows high consumption of electricity. This is actually very confusing to me. Secondary output in Figuera design is not affected but primary input dramatically goes down. There must be some reason for this in magnetics.

Do not worry about criticism and laughters. Those who ridicule you have not taken the efforts to test. On the other hand you also made the mistake of coming to the forum with millivolts and milliamps results. Such results are unreliable. Take the cirticism construtively and prove them all wrong by winding large coils and giving the high voltage and amperage combinations. By increasing the frequency in Pulsed DC, you can get low amperage input. But that does not remove the need for high voltage input. Alternatively you can use high voltage and amperage input and ignore the frequency part or to be sure you may try to increase all three. However to my limited knowledge when the frequency goes up, input amperage must be reduced. Output amperage will not be affected. I have not tested it yet but this is the theory I guess.

Winners don't Quit. Quitters don't win. And people who laugh at honest experimenters do so, for it is easy to laugh than to do serious experiments and come to the forum and share them honestly..

Who knows Dummy Ramaswami may come back some day one day with a self sustaining generator and knock out all and run it live on skype..Then all the laughing will stop..Do not worry and continue with your efforts.

However hereafter never ever come to the forum with values in milliamps and millivolts. They are neither accurate nor reliable. This is the lesson you need to learn. Naysayers can also teach us good lessons as to what are the things to be avoided. So take it all in a constructive spirit. Best of Luck in your efforts.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1124 on: March 24, 2014, 08:33:24 PM »
Thanks for all your motivation. I keep on testing. This feature, where the output increases when the shortened is smaller than the output coil needs to be investigated.
A thin 0.5mm solenoid of 1.05 dc-Ohm didn't perform that well, probably just too small. I will do a binary search for the best ratio, the next is about half of the output coil. Which could make sense.


(I have to say, by accident I had an airgap, maybe already in the 1.05 Ohm test, so I will repeat that.)


The coils were not built for being exchanged repeatedly, so I got some physical Problems here, may have to rewind them with a better bobbin thingie that fits perfectly and is stabile.


I will keep on measuring, trying to verify things as good as it gets, I do that anyway.


A closed loop, a selfrunner is my goal, of course. But the inverter alone dissipates 4 Watts, so probably I need a bigger setup to overcome this "socket loss".


A good core is very important. A EE or EI or III should work, preferably ferrite or metglass, I guess iron is ok at low freqencies, but the surface contacts must be perfectly even, so there is full contact, no airgaps.


It would be great if some of you duplicate the setup, as it is really simple.


As for verpies, I skip those postings, but I thought he's a living proof of free energy... we could plug in a cable and draw unlimited amounts of negative energy from him, and that is something. Always look on the bright side of life.


Regards


PS what I didn't mention yet: when I use both secondaries as output then the total output is lower than with one of them shortened instead. Which seems to be another clue for some weird things going on there.