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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1842024 times)

Offline marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1095 on: March 23, 2014, 05:51:56 PM »
Very interesting reading at      http://www.hyiq.org/Updates/Update?Name=Update%2011-02-14g

i especially found this very interesting.

The Magnetic Field
A Charged Particle moving in space or in a medium creates a Magnetic Field. If we wanted to make the charged particle move faster, we need to find a way to reduce its Magnetic Field. The Magnetic Field acts as a Break in some situations. Thus, we commonly see heating of Coils in Transformers, Generators and so on, that's proportional to the power output drawn.

Take two separate sources of Magnetic Fields, opposing, North to North squeezed together, if one was to apply the superposition rules, this would mean that it cancels the Magnetic Field. This is not entirely true unless the source of each Magnetic Field occupies the same physical space at the same time and with the same magnitude. In saying this, the Magnetic Field is greatly reduced the tighter the Magnetic Fields are squeezed together. I have done a very simple experiment that can easily show this is true.

E.G:

Use a CRT TV screen, turn on the TV and set the screen to blue or some solid colour, tape one Magnet on the screen, in the middle, with one pole facing out of the screen. Now push another Magnet into the Magnet on the screen with the Magnetic Fields opposing, North to North, or South to South, watch the field decrease in size on the screen. This experiment is very easy and provable every day of the week.

So with: "geometrically opposing fields" we can see why this is important. It is a way to reduce Lenz's Law, It creates a self feed back mechanism in the power coils that have an EMF generated in them, and reduced Lenz's Law means that the output can go above unity. The very requirement here is that Charges must be flowing for this process to occur.

i have also been studying the wave form from madddann on post 1072 so as i see it this is what the Secondary coil wave form output will look like below.
output coil never sees zero it is keep at no less than 50 %...... interesting to say the least.



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1096 on: March 23, 2014, 06:20:08 PM »
You just said it, half of the flux... so why the 8 vs 49 mA discrepancy with 20% voltage gain? Like 1+1=7? O-k...


Speaking of pulses, input and output have the same pulses, so the relation persists. And: the multimeter has an internal capacitor, otherwise the values would jump around.


At this point I leave it up to you to check it out, I will not go trough a trial of theoretical naysaying defense. Take it or leave it, AS IS. 


I'd rarther talk about the mechanisms, bejond institutional dogmata. 


Eg. the recursion of excessive selfinduction, is it reversing polarity with every iteration? If so, does it "eat up" the back magnetomotive force?


Is the bmmf of the output coil choosing the path trough the shortened, rather than trough the primary? The primary will be in opposing polarity to that bmmf, But what is the shortened doing? Shouldn't it have a bmmf like the output? Or does the mentioned recursion compensate it, making it the easier path?


And how does the back emf affect the whole thing? These are my thougts.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1097 on: March 23, 2014, 06:54:11 PM »
Madddann,

The sketch that you provided in post 1072 achieve a 180º unphase between the two signals.

Here we need a system which will provide 90º unphased signals, as the attached imagen shows:

EDIT: As your schematic shows always a positive signal maybe it is possible to be valid. While one intensity is increasing the other intensity is decreasing.OK.  90º unphase was defined for a rectified AC which is not the case for this circuit. I will think it again.
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1098 on: March 23, 2014, 07:16:51 PM »
I stand corrected HANON but the outcome is still the same. the Secondary core is switching  polarity at intensities at 50 % level from N/S to S/N. it does not ever see zero. this will act as a battery as described by Figueras to be paralleled or series to attain desired current and voltage. Yes/no

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1099 on: March 23, 2014, 08:25:09 PM »
Guys,

I know it was here on the server already before but I would like to bring it to your attention again. Two documents which are more then close to this topic.  ;)

In the VladimirUtkins document pay the attention to shorted loops and in the lenzless pdf you gen get some more idea of the modification of your device. ;) 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1100 on: March 23, 2014, 09:56:19 PM »
Hello Hanon!

Well I think you remember Woopy's replication, here he showed the signals from the comutator:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12439-re-inventing-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-2.html#post213544

I think the two signals are the same as the output from my circuit (except the ripples) so we should be good, what do you think?

Dann

Madddann,

The sketch that you provided in post 1072 achieve a 180º unphase between the two signals.

Here we need a system which will provide 90º unphased signals, as the attached imagen shows:

EDIT: As your schematic shows always a positive signal maybe it is possible to be valid. While one intensity is increasing the other intensity is decreasing.OK.  90º unphase was defined for a rectified AC which is not the case for this circuit. I will think it again.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1101 on: March 23, 2014, 10:56:49 PM »
Hi Maddann,

I have re-think it and your proposal is perfect. It is what Figuera said: "while one current is increasing the other is decreasing". I have just one doubt: Can we mix an AC source with a DC source in the same circuit?

Also there is a page where a 3-phase AC current is transformed into a 2-phase AC current with 90º unphase using a "Scott Connection". I do not know what is that, but I put here the link in order that anyone may use it:

http://blog.aulamoisan.com/2013/05/conexion-scott-de-red-trifasica-red.html

Latter the 2-phase AC current may be rectified to get the required final signals.

I hope it helps

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1102 on: March 23, 2014, 11:43:17 PM »
You just said it, half of the flux... so why the 8 vs 49 mA discrepancy with 20% voltage gain? Like 1+1=7? O-k...
Because magnetic flux is not electric current.  The relationship between them is square.
You are assuming a linear relationship between flux variations and current and then you are disproving that assumption (in English that debating technique even has a name: a "Straw Man").

Speaking of pulses, input and output have the same pulses, so the relation persists. And: the multimeter has an internal capacitor, otherwise the values would jump around.
At this point I leave it up to you to check it out, I will not go trough a trial of theoretical naysaying defense. Take it or leave it, AS IS. 
I am not going to leave you misleading other people, that average Volts * average Amps = average Watts, for non-DC waveforms.
Apparently you are very ignorant of power measuring principles.
If you want to play hard ball with me, you need to understand first, that I am not defending myself as you had implied above - I am attacking your power measuring ignorance.

Your claim that input and output are pulsed only proves that you don't have pure DC waveforms there.  It does not mean, that you cannot multiply average Volts by average Amps displayed by your averaging multimeter (with an averaging capacitor inside) to obtain average Watts.
The same voltage waveforms at the input and the output do not change anything.

For non-DC input waveforms you must multiply instantaneous voltage by instantaneous current and average these products to obtain average input power.  You can do the same for output power or you can use a shortcut and connect a sole non-inductive incandescent light bulb to the output and measure its brightness with a PV cell in a dark box (Grumage deftly calls it a "Wattbox").

There are other shortcuts you can use if your waveforms are periodic and of simple shapes, but not without knowing the phase relationship between the input voltage and input current waveforms (as well as the phase shift between the output voltage and output current waveforms).

I'd rather talk about the mechanisms, beyond institutional dogmata. 
Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
Electric power measurement principles are as I described them not because of some authority, but they are that way because it is mathematically and experimentally demonstrateable that:
AVERAGE(V) * AVERAGE(I) <> AVERAGE(V*I)
Do you want me to show proof of the above inequality to you?

As far as mechanisms, I already wrote that a shorted winding excludes magnetic flux variations inside that winding. 
Magnetically this is almost the same as breaking off that leg of the core which has the shorted winding over it... and throwing it in the trash.
The lower the resistance of the shorted winding the more complete the flux variation exclusion.

In fact any resistive load placed across any secondary winding will cause partial expulsion of magnetic flux variations from under that winding.  If the flux cannot find an easy path (low reluctance) to close the flux loop then it will close through air.
This is illustrated by the diagram below.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1103 on: March 23, 2014, 11:43:53 PM »
NRamaswami;

when i stated my cores were 1 1/2 inch i was referring to core thickness not length. i miss posted earlier as my Primary cores being 8" but their not their 5" long x 1 1/2 " thick x 1 1/2" wide and Secondaries are 3/4"x 1 1/2"x 5" this makes my Primary cores Twice as big as Secondaries.  with my cores being 1 1/2" wide  this leaves me a window of two inches to play with in Primary coil length. i'm starting at 1 inch but can expand to 2" if i want or need to.
oh i almost forgot my cores are I cores so they can be stacked together like Lego building blocks.(III) easy to add extra power if needed. end core will be C cores but inner cores are all I cores for easy expansion. Remember it's so easy a kid can build it.

Marathonman:

Then your Tesla calculations are also wrong. They would come only about .6 Tesla for a 307 turns and 12.5 cm I core  No core saturation and you may get good results. All the best.


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1104 on: March 24, 2014, 12:16:26 AM »

Dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

I was brought up to believe every sunday we drank the blood of Jesus and ate his flesh. That's also dogma. Science is often proven wrong. I think that was the point Dieter was making. Dogma = closed mind.

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« Reply #1105 on: March 24, 2014, 12:20:42 AM »
Dieter,

I am with you. You are reporting a COP above 6 (supposing that your meters are right)

Maybe you have to multiply your calculation by sqrt(2)/2 = 0.707 to convert maximun voltage and current to rms values , but anyway you have a COP around 4 or 5, clearly above COP 1.

Keep the good work. I think that your system is not pure Figuera´s. But we just need an overunity device to change this world for the better. Go ahead. It will be good if you could test it in the range of volt and amps instead of mV and mA.

Regads

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« Reply #1106 on: March 24, 2014, 12:26:43 AM »
I was brought up to believe every sunday we drank the blood of Jesus and ate his flesh. That's also dogma. Science is often proven wrong. I think that was the point Dieter was making. Dogma = closed mind.
"Closed mind" is a different concept, albeit related.
If that is what he meant than he should choose his words more carefully. 

If your interpretation is correct than it becomes apparent that he did not read any of my more unconventional posts, yet is quick to judge me as "close minded" just because I quoted some well known power measuring principles.
Just because there is a lot of authoritarian dogma taught in physics departments does not mean that all of it is wrong.  Electric engineering, power measuring principles, Ohm's law, etc.. are on of the areas where the mainstream has it correct ...and it can be verified experimentally any time.

Science is often proven wrong
Then let him prove my science wrong with the scientific method - not with name calling.
Dieter better focus on criticizing my ideas and logic, rather than my state of mind.

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« Reply #1107 on: March 24, 2014, 12:32:42 AM »
Dieter,
Have u COP over 2?  Make it self runner and prove u are right :)

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« Reply #1108 on: March 24, 2014, 12:32:51 AM »
Maybe you have to multiply your calculation by sqrt(2)/2 = 0.707 to convert maximun voltage and current to rms values ,
That would work for full sinewaves only...and average power could be calculated out of these two RMS values only if the phase relationship was known between the sine voltage and the sine current.  This is one of the shortcuts that I had mentioned previously.
For calculating the power of arbitrary waveforms, only multiplication of instantaneous voltage and current works reliably - not average voltage, nor average current multiplication.

P.S.
The RMS calculation is a form of a geometric average.

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« Reply #1109 on: March 24, 2014, 12:38:44 AM »
Dieter,
Have u COP over 2?  Make it self runner and prove u are right :)
Exactly. 
O/I Power measurements become superfluous if long self-running condition is achieved, without external energy delivery.  Nature is the ultimate verifier of O/I>1 claims.

 

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