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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1842115 times)

Offline marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1020 on: March 18, 2014, 07:13:17 PM »
MY Apologies to every one i posted the wrong pic on Post 1010 Flux is wrong way.

This is correct pic.

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« Reply #1021 on: March 18, 2014, 08:56:09 PM »
Hi Gyula please see my post and please advise if you can help. You are more than welcome to give me your insight which is always helpful..

So theoreticly there would be zero  energy consumption. As if a transformer were running without a load.

Dieter..

Please see.."The machine comprise a fixed inductor circuit, consisting of several electromagnets with soft iron cores exercising induction in the induced circuit, also fixed and motionless, composed of several reels or coils, properly placed." - Figuera Patent description

Actually the Figuera device consumes less energy due to coil size, shape and wire selected. If you use reels and reels of windings as Figuera directs..As we use more and more coils and build more and more electromagnets the primary has such high impedance or resistance that the input comes down. Inductance goes up and so magnetism increases... I have brought down inputs to very little wattage..The magnetism keeps incresaing all the time due to the increase in the number of turns. and increased inductance..The lowest wattage I have achieved is 200 watts but I can bring it down to 1 to 2 watts probably and get increased magnetism still. Very little current flows to the output of the primary..That I have achieved already.. That is not the issue. This is like achieving resonant frequency in the coil and this is not tough at all..But this requires as Figuera says reels and reels of wires..Not a few turns of coils..Probably about 2500 to 3000 metres of wire if suitable type which is properly placed.

The only thing that is needed is to fluctate the current strength in the primary magnets to have fluctuating or time varying magnetic field intensity that alternates between strength and weakness between opposing primaries..Then the secondary placed in between the primaries would come to life and work and produce output..Because the magnetic fields in the opposing primaries would keep collapisng and increasing alternately the electric field in the secondary would always be feeded. 

Your view on gaps is ok but if we have powerful magnetic fields we can have even up to 1 cm of gap for the magnetic intensity does not diminsh up to 1 cm distance I believe in the case of strong magnets. Whther they are like poles or unlike poles..So if we build strong magnets up to 1 cm distance is ok but lower gap is useful in increasing the output as it will increase the frequency..

I think the Figuera drawing has been tampered with..What is your opinion on that..See the Figuera patent..

"The different pieces of the resistance will connect, as seen in the drawing, with the commutator bars embedded in a cylinder of insulating material that does not move; but around it, and always in contact with more than one contact, rotates a brush “O”, which carries the foreign current, revolves. One of the ends of the resistance is connected with electromagnets N, and the other with electromagnets S, half of the terminals of the resistance pieces go to the half of the commutator bars of the cylinder and the other half of these commutator bars are directly connected to the firsts."

The drawing does not show any connection to the other half of the commutator points..Please let me know your insight..




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1022 on: March 18, 2014, 09:52:54 PM »
Two points to make;

#1 The Figueras Transformer operates with 'Over-Unity' performance, clearly showing that the (mystery energy source ATHER) is contributing to the air gap energy (capacitive stored energy) and much of that energy is then used to provide extra output power in the Secondary by being prevented from reentry to the Ferromagnetism of the Primary electromagnets .

#2 By splitting the Primary in two thus is provided a secondary path for the Reluctance to travel there for reducing resistance to change in secondary core to a minimum allowing secondary core to output the transfered energy from primary electromagnet and capacitive air gap unabated.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1023 on: March 18, 2014, 10:01:52 PM »
Nramaswami,

The Buforn patent drawings show the two halfs of the commutator bars jumpered as follows, clockwise

1 – 8
2 – 7
3 – 6
4 – 5
9 – 16
10 – 15
11 – 14
12 – 13


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« Reply #1024 on: March 18, 2014, 10:15:12 PM »
Cadman: Thanks..

Agreed.  Please refer to page No. 123 top left to see that what you are saying is correct..

But at the bottom the connections go out to only 1 to 8. The commutator bar is always connected to two adjacent bars. Are I assume that the connections are from 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 for all the connections to be useful..If we think that the connections are from 1 to 8 and when the commutator bar goes to the other half there is no connection.No current flows through resistors at that time.That is the confusion I have.. Please let me know your insight..

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« Reply #1025 on: March 18, 2014, 10:18:23 PM »
Hi Cadman:

And what is your interpretation of this sentence in the patent..

"the other half of these commutator bars are directly connected to the firsts."

What is the meaning of firsts here.. I'm not able to figure out. Please help..Thanks.

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« Reply #1026 on: March 18, 2014, 10:29:03 PM »
Hi Cadman:

And what is your interpretation of this sentence in the patent..

"the other half of these commutator bars are directly connected to the firsts."

What is the meaning of firsts here.. I'm not able to figure out. Please help..Thanks.


Commutator was suspicious for me from the starting point and I still can't figure out how connections are made. Here is hidden the principle of operation of device, with clear picture it would be obvious ... The same way was altered Daniel McFarland patent. I smell some real conspiracy secret society working all the time. Illuminati ?  ;D

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1027 on: March 18, 2014, 10:45:53 PM »
Interesting text (Harold Aspden), thanks for the link. A bit heavy to read when you don't speak english very well. As he mentiones the adams motor, this was my first FE project, maybe 15 years ago. Amazing how I used to put that thing together back then.  remember, strong neodymium magnets didn't work, I had to use ferrite or alnico, with a better evenly area coverage (which sort of contradicts the generic  theory about a field getting weaker 4 times when the distance is doubled). The motor run the whole night from one aaa accu cell. But not yet in OU, nonetheless good for a first setup. Ahh, those were the times  :) .
Goto go back to the hardware...

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« Reply #1028 on: March 18, 2014, 10:47:50 PM »
ok.. So this is a confusing area still..I'm not alone.. Thanks.

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« Reply #1029 on: March 18, 2014, 11:41:52 PM »
forest - speaking of conspiracies, let us not get too much into the "business end of things". Let us just say that if OU exists , then there have to be enemies against it, well funded  ones. Even Townsend, who was an accepted capacity in his time, usually had some black suit spooks in his lab, for purposes of "security", which can be seen on original film about his work. (the guy who tested "electron avalanche" phenomena).


NRamaswami,
The best interpretation of the resistor grid I have seen is in chapter3.pdf, for the link   see page 1 of "i tested a don smith device" thread. It's the most logical and easy to build variation.

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« Reply #1030 on: March 19, 2014, 12:49:53 AM »
Hi,

Each day I see more differences from the text of the patents and the ideas which are surrounding this forum. It is a pity not to try first the original design instead of thinking of conspiracies and hidden keys.

About the translation of the commutator I think it is fine. I can dissect it to see it more clear as this:


"half of the terminals of the resistor pieces go to the half of the commutator bars of the cylinder and the other half of these commutator bars are directly connected to the first half of the commutator bars"
 
As you can see from the drawing the other half of the terminal of the resistor pieces are not joined to anything. Those terminal are the ones that are located in the upper part of the resistor box.

How many users around here have tested with the original commutator and the 2 original signals? I think you should start for testing the original design, but this is just my humble oppinion.

NoMoreSlave,  I have read your pdf about the inverter. It is really interesting. The links are very interesting. Do you speak spanish? One link is a video in spanish...so I thoulght that maybe so. The UDT that you referred it is really interesting...

Your final design is very similar to the one from Bajac.

I am sorry for telling this but Figuera did not mention any air gap in his 1908 patent text. Maybe it is time to reconduct this forum. Please read the patent and quote here at least one sentence where Figuera said anything about air gaps...

I think that air gap design is genuine. It may work but comparing to the patent text I have to say that there is no mention to any air gap. It could work. It is a very clever design but we have to put into doubt anything that is not included in the original text

This is the only sentence where Figuera describe the coil disposition:

"As neither of the circuits rotate, there is no need to make them round, nor leave any space between one and the other"
I suppose that someone will feel upset for this statement. Please in case that someone want to argue with this, please just quote one simple sentence where Figuera told something about air gaps. Maybe Figuera used air gaps, maybe not, maybe he did it but he avoided to tell it

My intention is just to help to discover the Truth. The air gaps may work but they are not referred in the 1908 patent. Also the last Buforn patent suggest that the electromagnets shapes are longitudinal. In this case this Buforn design has any sense.

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« Reply #1031 on: March 19, 2014, 05:35:38 AM »
Hi Hanon:

.see in this forum many people speaking many languages write in English and that makes things looks imperfect. The patent certainly does not refer to any air gaps. I have used a common plastic tube with common iron core and we get the same results that we would get when using three plastic tubes split in to three...magnetic flux cancellation is some thing that I hear frequently here if the cores are used in NS-NS-NS combination..I'm sorry only when we use it that way we get results. Howard Johnson's secret book of Magnets claims that when you use NS-NS-SN the magnetic flux is increased three times. We do not get any volt when we do it.. If we use the NS-SN-NS combination results of output are less than NS-NS-NS combination..There is no magnetic flux cancellation...Air gaps are not mentioned in the patent but as you say it can be used effectively as we have found out..

So as I understand it now the drawing shows at the top left all 16 points connected.. But only one resistor array is shown for the N and S multiple opposite Magnets and another parallel resistor array that is indicated in the top left is not shown for simplicity reasons.. Am I right. If the drawing as used in the top left of Buforn patents were to be used there need to be two resistor arrays and the result would be a commutator bar which will touch four points two in one side and two in the opposite 180' side to run without making sparks for long life but one which will make the primaries oscillate in strength constantly..

Alternatively there is only one single resistor array but the those on the left hand side must be connected to the top of the resistor array points which are not connected now to achieve the same result with a single resistor array..

If the commutator bar were to touch only two adjacent points when the bar comes to half side power will not go to N or S magnets..If the commutator bar were to touch four points two on one side and two on other side the continuous fluctation would be ensured..

This is what the patent says as the principle which is not in question..

Here what it is constantly changing is the intensity of the excitatory current which drives the electromagnets and this is accomplished using a resistance, through which circulates a operating current, which is taken from one power source and passed through one or more electromagnets, thus magnetising one or more electromagnets. When the current is higher, the magnetisation of the electromagnets is increased, and when it is lower, the magnetisation is decreased. Thus, varying the intensity of the current, varies the magnetic field which crosses through the induction circuit.

As is seen from real life experience of using large number of coils the first coil where the current enters is the most powerful one and the subsequent coils have literally no electric field due to resistance of coils..but all have magnetic field which becomes constant at low current input which results in the secondary getting zero current at lower inputs.

Only when the current is sent to enter the N and S magnets alternately or fluctuate in strength due to various resistances encountered , the electric field will be created in the N and S magnets alternately..Only when the electric field increases and decreses the magnetic field will increase or decrease..It is only then magnetic flux operates and the secondary comes to life..Am I right in this understanding?

This then was what was done by Figuera to get a large magnetic field at low input by using a lot of coils of wire spread on a number of electromagnets..But he then altereted the point of entry of current at various N and Electromagnets so that magnetic field strength is constantly changed..Electric field strength is contantly changed..Mangetic flux is contantly made to flow from N to S and then from S to N at various points..

When we use a large input current and less number of turns the problem of lack of electric field does not appear but that requires a lot of input current but by using a lot of reels of wire the input current cannot be higher than 100 to 200 watts and can be easily brought down to even 24 to 36 watts.. But the point is the where current enters determines which electromagnet will get the maximum electric field and one of N magnets and one of S magnets at the opposite end probably continue to get charged up fully but the current flows through the others also based on resistance..

Principle is easy to understand..Bringing down current input is also easy if we use large coils of wire..But this part is the toughest one. probably we will do this as well...I have not yet received the commutator and let me use both the Chapter3.pdf electronic version and the commutator versions and see which one is easier..It has taken so much of time for me to learn as to how we can bring down the input current but increase the magnetization at the same time..Let me now try my hand at fluctating the N and S magnets.. Then the secondary would come to life..

I agree that airgaps are not mentioned in the patent but they do work..If we create a powerful magnetic field 1 cm distance is adequate..Only when we have few coils and low input combination the distance of the air gaps matter..I hope others will agree..

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« Reply #1032 on: March 19, 2014, 08:31:05 AM »
Hi,
Why do you say that electrical field is different in the first, second, 3rd...electromagnet. The patent says that each row is connected in series, so, the current along all of them is the same, and thus the electrical field should be the same in all of them. Am I missing anything?

If you want to flutuate alternatively each row maybe you could try to excite the N series with half wave rectified AC signal and the S series with the other half rectified wave. This is not Figuera but it is a test that will take 5 minutes and just a few diodes.

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« Reply #1033 on: March 19, 2014, 09:16:35 AM »
Hi Hanon:

When current enters NP1 it has go through a number of coils and then it goes through NP2, NP3,NP4,NP5,NP6 Np7 and then it moves to SP7 to 1 in that order..You are not taking in to account the massive resistance or ac impendance of the coils..That is what reduces the electrical component in the first place..I'm using only two large primary cores and when we connect the 200 volts input becomes just 200 watts now. If I connect multiple electromagnets as done by Figuera very little wattage would be spent on the input..I'm looking at other ways to increase the electric field using the coil shapes itself without increasing the input.. Let me see...if it works out..We will try tomorrow afternoon or evening..That may possibly eliminate the commutator as and resistance as well...

Pulsed DC is very powerful...four times more powerful than AC.. The AC impedance of the pulsed DC is four times lesser than that of AC. That essentially means that pulsed DC would need four times more coils to get the same low input wattage or alternately if the same coils are used would consume at the input four times more electrical input..

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« Reply #1034 on: March 19, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
Pulsed DC is very powerful...four times more powerful than AC.. The AC impedance of the pulsed DC is four times lesser than that of AC. That essentially means that pulsed DC would need four times more coils to get the same low input wattage or alternately if the same coils are used would consume at the input four times more electrical input..

 The resistive controller takes care of that. If you use wire length to control the input then you lose the peak electromagnetic effects which only last for the time length of the peak output from induced when it is at it's peak. Which is very short. The time it will take for a high resistance winding of length to charge up the magnetic field will take to long.
  If your working with 50 to 60 cycles per sec in the output then it will be 100 to 120 peaks + and -within a sec for maybe a seventh or a tenth of each cycle. There is not even enough time for the domains to relax completely so it has to be under pressure, none of the inducer magnets going into a non magnetic state or a reverse state.

 

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