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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 1825961 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1005 on: March 16, 2014, 07:07:08 AM »
HANON;

"Another advantage is that inside the induced electromagnets we can put
another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater length than the
large induced core. In these second group of induced coils an electric current will be
produced, as in the first group of induced coils, and this produced current will be sufficient
for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free
all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all
purposes you want."

Could it quite possible that this is what he is talking about. (In these second group of induced coils)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1006 on: March 16, 2014, 08:44:27 PM »
Marathonman

  I cant get the E core to model up at all to work with the idea of having the same inducer fields pushing the induced to behave like a rotating magnetic field. The collapse time on the inducer fields would have to go completely off and allow the field to dissipate to zero.That would not work with the idea of having the the magnet going up in field strength pushing the collapse magnet back emf around to add to the one increasing. It also doesn't even allow for the notion of keeping the cores partially on to maintain a pressure between the fields even after correcting the pole orientations of the inducers. If you get an LED to run of it you should consider yourself doing well. The flux will want to travel around the outside of the core if you orient it nsnsns and totally avoid the center leg of the core and if put it in nnnsss there wont be any difference in flux in the middle as each side turns off or on. If it was a square then maybe if it is not too leaky. Use bobbins just in case it turns out Im right. So your dont  risking wasting your wire.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1007 on: March 16, 2014, 09:38:45 PM »
I dont like the picture thing but I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1008 on: March 16, 2014, 09:40:26 PM »
I dont like green eggs and ham either.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1009 on: March 16, 2014, 09:42:53 PM »
Hay figured out how to do more then one pic

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1010 on: March 17, 2014, 03:15:17 AM »
Marathonman

  I cant get the E core to model up at all to work with the idea of having the same inducer fields pushing the induced to behave like a rotating magnetic field. The collapse time on the inducer fields would have to go completely off and allow the field to dissipate to zero.That would not work with the idea of having the the magnet going up in field strength pushing the collapse magnet back emf around to add to the one increasing. It also doesn't even allow for the notion of keeping the cores partially on to maintain a pressure between the fields even after correcting the pole orientations of the inducers. If you get an LED to run of it you should consider yourself doing well. The flux will want to travel around the outside of the core if you orient it nsnsns and totally avoid the center leg of the core and if put it in nnnsss there wont be any difference in flux in the middle as each side turns off or on. If it was a square then maybe if it is not too leaky. Use bobbins just in case it turns out Im right. So your dont  risking wasting your wire.

Doug;
 putting your cores in these orientations will get you absolutely no where. ( NN/NS/SS or NS/NS/NS)
it will have to be NS/y/SN the whole idea is to reverse the secondary core only. keeping the primary orientation the same uses less power also. in your set up this will not take place. i think the whole idea is that the reversing poles meet in the secondary core  though you are right the flux will not rotate buy they don't have to just reverse.
This is what is happening in the secondary core each 90* out of phase high primary. N/S N being left c core and S/N S being right c core.

when the cores are hit with current (90 * out of phase) this causes the ZPE to separate and the poles collide in the Secondary Core and expand outward engulfing the secondaries. (Expansion and Contraction)
Tesla did the same thing above in your post but with a Toroid .

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1011 on: March 17, 2014, 10:38:22 PM »
Hallo,
PLEASE give your opinion about the attached file.
Best Regards,
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1012 on: March 17, 2014, 11:29:44 PM »
Bajac Version = John Ecklin's SAG 6(with correction!) = Don Smith rotary generator
Please Please experiment with Bajac CIC version, use a simple inverter circuit to excite the primaries (with center tape).

to read more about John Ecklin's SAG 6 and the correction:
http://montalk.net/science/72/john-ecklins-sag-6



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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1013 on: March 18, 2014, 03:10:26 AM »
NoMoreSlave


I've been reading the pdf. Having problems to understand the symbols, lack of description.


Thought the UDT transformer of paul raymond  jensen pretty interesting since it sounds as if the guy really did it.
Surprisingly youtube has nothing about it, was it never duplicated?


However, like a red thread there is something going trough alll of these "lenz less" transformers, be it the bitorroid, this one, figueras ... and that's the redirection of the back mmf (magnetomotive force,  floyd sweet terminology) that normally draws energy by the primary when a load is connected to the secondary. Whether or not the figuera design has 2 primaries and one secondary (compared to two secondaries and one primsry in thane heines bi-torroid, jensens UDT etc.), may be insignificant, since I explained earlier how figueras design does the same, redirecting the back mmf away from the originating primary (actually to the other primary that features reverse polarity, thus being a very easy path for the back mmf). Anyway, if the setup is built, we can try both. Tho, due to logic, with 1 primary you need only one pulse, contrary to the flipflop pulse of the classic figuera design.


Remember my test, where I was getting 25 Volts on the Y coil with only about 1.5 v on the primaries, withe a turns ratio that should have given 3 Volts and not 25. Even tho the overall efficiency was not OU, it was by far the best efficiency I was getting in any transformer I ever built and the analogue amp meter used to hit the upper end of the meter range with brute force... When I connected a 12 to 230 vac inverter to the output, it really started up, but then kept on rebooting, nonetheless impressive for such a tiny source of probably 2.5 watt dissipation.


I probably wil do some more tests with it, since all my other test cores have much weaker efficiency. Recently I even discovered how to increase the output of this double E ferrite core with some permanent magnets attached. Additionally, with some simple rewiring I can also test the jensen UDT with it (with the addition of a "feedback coil" winding ontop of the Y coil :  www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device  )


So, to all of  us, let's not give up so quickly. Edison tried a Thousand materials until he had a working lightbulb (when Tesla already had neon lights, but anyway  8) )

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1014 on: March 18, 2014, 05:05:31 AM »
Here's some more thoughts about the figuera design. I am refering to the classic double C design: (|).


The airgaps, demystified! Imagine a pulse on a primary 1. With no airgaps it may just go trough primary 2, bypassing the Y core, at least partiallly. But with gaps... the pulse would have to go over two gaps to do that, but only over 1 gap to go trough the Y coil!


Then, when current is drawn by a load at the Y coil, as we know the flowing current in Y self-induces the back mmf. Up to this point we did not use any energy from the source. But as the back mmf would normally flow back to the primary, it would force the primary to start dissipating real energy. But in the figuera design, the back mmf will face two airgaps and see the reluctance of the C cores behind them. One will be opposing, the other one, due to figueras commutator, near zero and most likely in the same polarity as the back mmf, just like a friendly invitation.
So theoreticly there would be zero  energy consumption. As if a transformer were running without a load.


Great care must be taken in the construction of the air gaps, 0.01mm more or less is like a double size core. Adjustable gaps may be useful, with brass screws. They need to be small , eg. 0.1mm and exactly the same.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1015 on: March 18, 2014, 03:21:21 PM »
Here's some more thoughts about the figuera design. I am refering to the classic double C design: (|).


The airgaps, demystified! Imagine a pulse on a primary 1. With no airgaps it may just go trough primary 2, bypassing the Y core, at least partiallly. But with gaps... the pulse would have to go over two gaps to do that, but only over 1 gap to go trough the Y coil!


Then, when current is drawn by a load at the Y coil, as we know the flowing current in Y self-induces the back mmf. Up to this point we did not use any energy from the source. But as the back mmf would normally flow back to the primary, it would force the primary to start dissipating real energy. But in the figuera design, the back mmf will face two airgaps and see the reluctance of the C cores behind them. One will be opposing, the other one, due to figueras commutator, near zero and most likely in the same polarity as the back mmf, just like a friendly invitation.
So theoreticly there would be zero  energy consumption. As if a transformer were running without a load.


Great care must be taken in the construction of the air gaps, 0.01mm more or less is like a double size core. Adjustable gaps may be useful, with brass screws. They need to be small , eg. 0.1mm and exactly the same.

Dieter :

 I think you are spot on with your observations that the air gap plays a vital role in this Transformer set up. Bajac has also stated this observation but has added that the gap be as little as possible... like .001 in which means machining it smooth and that the primaries are larger. (this i already knew)  this will allow for the (III) set up that Figueras/Bafon stated in his 1908/1914 Patent allowing cores to be added very easily for more power.
one thing i would like to point out is everyone thinks that the flux in the coil travels in one direction only from north to south (THIS IS FALSE)
the flux or ZPE when hit with current in a coil is forced apart each traveling in opposite directions.  Nicola Tesla, Don Smith and many others have proven this many, many times and is being conveniently ignored time and time again. north is not stationary, this is not how nature operates. power is only obtained through Rarefication and contraction ie.... expansion and contraction of doublets (pairs).

so on that note i give you this to ponder on. HAPPY FIGUERING

Sorry 1908/1914 Patent.

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« Reply #1016 on: March 18, 2014, 04:04:28 PM »
I partially disagree with the current has to be flowing in two directions. As i see it, this is what we want to prevent, fwd mmf and back mmf in the same core. But I may have misunderstood you, because from one point of view there are in fact two directions, that's the circulation of the field lines, in the heart of the core one way, and near the surface of the core in the other way, just like in the donut illustrations. When a core is oversaturated, the 2 tend to collide, resulting in heat. At least from my intuitive point of view that's what happens.


However, we don't want 4 directions, like when the back mmf has to share the core with the fwd mmf, as normal transformers work.


We don't have to care about the fact that we DO have these 4 in the Y core, because we only have to make sure the back mmf will not flow back to the originating primary. So, if the Y core gets a lil hot, we take it as a free extra goodie.


Too bad my ferrite cores ain't got the right gaps. (E type, so I could have 3 gaps, one in the middle of each coil, but that ain't gonna work!). Seems like I got to make a new core, softsteel preferred.


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« Reply #1017 on: March 18, 2014, 04:57:10 PM »
Dieter:

 Please look at my drawing i got off of internet. look closely at the direction of Flux lines. these are not influenced buy nothing...ie true flux lines travel from north to bloch wall then to south or visa versa.????? you get my meaning.

http://haroldaspden.com/reports/01.htm read the part on (Ferromagnetism) and (Air Gap Reaction Effects) it will blow your mind, just what we are talking about .

Consider a simple small-width gap in an elongated section of a ferromagnetic core. The gap adds an enormous capacity for storing inductance energy using a winding on that core and yet the inductance is decreased, not increased. The ferromagnet sets a limit on flux density but the gap allows the core to accept a much greater magnetizing current at that limit of flux density. The LI2/2 energy is related to a flux density proportional to LI and so energy capacity increases linearly with current I, whereas, if L decreases, the energy can increase for the same LI value.

The energy stored in that gap is represented by a very powerful reacting current flow in the aether in the gap. This current is powered by the aether energy sea. It is a kind of diamagnetic thermodynamic reaction state polarised by the presence of the primary magnetization of the main iron core. This is not a flux leakage phenomenon but one by which the composite magnetic flux, that from the main core and the circulating flux induced locally around the aether current reaction, is effective in appearing as a diversionary agency. The main core flux is partially diverted so as to jump through air external to the main core path whilst the remainder crosses directly between the pole faces.

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« Reply #1018 on: March 18, 2014, 05:47:40 PM »
Hi dieter,
just coming back from work :(

Thank you for your explanation, I omitted any comment in the PDF in order to generate a discussion. and as usually you got it.
there is a gay in Utube (link in the pdf) who made an inverter with parts from old stuffs (he was trying to tell us that its possible to light some bulbs out from 12v laptop battery).
he said the box was working 5 hours at 100% (he looped the system back to charge the battery)...

I think we are in the good track: There are two kind of generators/inverters: HF & LF => I am woking on the LF with a big transformer.
As I see it marathonman is trying to follow the other theory about magnetism (Walter Russell, Steve Davis&Howard Johnson...)
Well it’s an interesting theory and experiment, but how can we engineering it? I don’t know how (I read all that stuff! But..)
If there is any chance to get some more explanations, than it will be possible to make some tests/experiment.

But if we are speaking about Figuera generator, than he clearly stated that the construction and position of the electromagnet are just as its already known in the art. (Faradays law)

The gap is all I can recommend right know.
In my pdf I started by looking at the generator (like Figuera did), then I split the circular shape to make it linear.
After that I took the basic unitary pattern form the stator and from the rotor(face to face) then I double it in order to make a close magnetic path. That’s it.
I ended by getting this picture(similar to bajac, but giving you the way I got it)

i will appretiate your feedback about the2 fields inducing Emf in the coil (am i right with 2xi?).
Thanks & Regards,
NMS



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« Reply #1019 on: March 18, 2014, 06:10:19 PM »
Hi marathonman.
I m reding the report, will see...
Thanks!
NMS

 

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