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Offline penno64

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Opinions please
« on: October 06, 2012, 09:15:05 AM »
Feel free to give us your take on this -
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkxEDrVCtc&feature=plcp
 
 
Note : the statement about the coupling of the wheels
 
 
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Re: Opinions please
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2012, 12:46:55 PM »
Interesting.

In his first video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgK5wDOFt8 he describes that the huge flywheel is powered by the rotations of the small magnet. This sounds inefficient in my opinion, because the small rotor needs much more rotations to get a single rotation of the large flywheel done.

Wouldn't it be more efficient if it was reverse?
Once the flywheel would rotate it could drive the small magnet which in turn rotates much faster and provide more energy. And the flywheel wouldn't need so much power, because it is also supported by the momentum?

(For the ones who missed the part: in his first video he says it's not overunity, but that after switching off the battery it keeps going on a long time, before coming to a halt)

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2012, 01:35:54 PM »
Hi Gauschor,
 
please note that it is a 2" diametrically magnetised cylinder
 
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2012, 05:16:06 PM »
I think this video is an excellent example of using very little power to acquire equilibrium and therefore only pay for the small difference in lost potential. Potential stored and reused on the weight of the motion of the "fly wheels".


In his case, the fly wheel is so small that one cannot see the value but in larger size one could easily power many generatosr at once for the price of only the difference of potential used from the motion of the heaviest fly wheel.


He is using the battery to run the little motor on the table that, once in balanced and in-sync with the fly wheel (bicycle wheel with magnets), he can spin the little fan in his hands by the cost of an negligible amount of power.


To understand, imagine you pushing your daughter in a swing until she achieves the highest height while swinging, now it will only cost you much less energy to maintain the motion, much less than it was necessary to get there (you pay for to get there big time). Now, to maintain the swinging frequency you must pay very little. With magnets in the picture, you will reduce the price you pay for the negligible price even more because the magnets have a much higher transfer power rate than we have and therefore the magnet can, without friction for example, transfer the power to the fly wheel. Also the magnetic field does have (as an effect) a very "balloon pressure" field that bounces back on every action (reaction) infinitely until is fully transferred all the energy in motion.


So with his setup the magic is indeed the magnets doing the transfer of motion energy (kinetic) into more motion at a ratio of his choosing. If this setup was much bigger, like 10x (like energy companies do with their kinetic wheel storing power systems), he could have an amazing amount of power constantly available (in motion form) equivalent of the square of the weight of wheel, not the linear relation as people think.


I say not linear because you only see the difference (linear compared to squared) at very large scale which usually it is so large that we don't even bother measuring correctly. So it looks very linear indeed. Power companies have great difficulty in storing, at a measurable level, the level of energy stored in their systems. Lots of overflows happens and they are clueless how to control so they are using now kinetic energy to buffer the unexpected fluctuations in available power. Kinetic has an advantage to dielectric (like capacitors or battery at very large level) that it is very tolerant to extreme variations in input power since matter absorbs motion much faster and with less impact than dielectric energy.


So a fly wheel is much more capable of storing kinetic energy than dielectric devices (capacitor, batteries and so on) have. You can swing 100 pounds of matter faster than you can save one kilowatt power in a 100 amp/h battery for the same relative time.


Magnets when used as motion transfer devices (approaching south against another south pole will move BOTH at an infinitely friction less transfer rate of motion with infinite re bounces (reaction to the initial motion of the approaching south pole) until all kinetic energy is transferred. This transferring since is squared will produce excess energy but it is not readily visible to us without proper measuring and larger scale. At a lower scale speed is the next frontier.


One can spin a magnet at 10000 rpm (as we have seen in youtube videos of SSGs devices without wheels, just the magnet spinning over the coil) with incredible low amount of input power.


I think this area of energy transfer of kinetic energy using magnets has been very little explored and published to the secular world.

Fausto.

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Re: Opinions please
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2012, 06:01:29 PM »
@All
 
I guess I'm not especially impressed with this device. One knows from
motor design that an unloaded spinning shaft is not necessarily supplying
much energy, primarily wind resistance to the rotor and friction to the
bearings.
 
Also the comment:
 
>This sounds inefficient in my opinion, because the small rotor needs
> much more rotations to get a single rotation of the large flywheel done.
 
This I think is incorrect. The wheels are not in mechanical contact
therefore it is the ratios of the magnetic length, the length of the
magnets, that is of concern *not the length of the wheel circumference*
Also the large wheel could easily be rotating at a harmonic ratio
with the small one and most likely is doing so in this movie.
 
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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2012, 07:27:02 PM »
Not only that but also it might even be possible that the field from the driving coil alone could be enough to keep the external wheel rotating. I remember seeing a video of a rotating wheel or magnet that was actually driven by the field from a Newman motor off-screen, and another where there were a bunch of sphere magnets in separate bowls scattered around, all spinning from the same rotating magnet driver source.

It's neat, and the fellow obviously is a craftsman. But gosh darn it.... the one part that all electrical Free Energy machines seem to have to have is sitting right there on the table: the big black battery.

Now... if he put some generator coils that would run off of the big wheel turning... then show them synched, with substantial power transfer by the magnetic "gearing" coupling alone .... that would be something exciting, even if it's not free energy or even particularly efficient.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2012, 09:15:59 PM »
Yeah I remember the video with lots of these "satellite magnets" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVtKYfSDI8 Fascinating setup and definitely an area where more research is required. Also the spinning sphere magnets can be put within or close to an induction coil as shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGnZPZpR_I I wonder if lots of these satellite magnets could produce enough current which is able to power the source...

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Offline penno64

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 11:06:55 PM »
Thanks guys.
 
Your opinions are greatly appreciated
 
Regards, Penno

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2012, 03:38:17 AM »
Feel free to give us your take on this -
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkxEDrVCtc&feature=plcp
 
 
Note : the statement about the coupling of the wheels
 
 
Penno

I've created a feature page about this at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tom_Ferko%27s_Satellite_Generator

A link for a higher-resolution version of the schematic is found there.

He's posting this as an open source project.

Today, he just posted a new video that is very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxdM2JCLrE  [/font]

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Re: Opinions please
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2012, 04:10:53 AM »
I've created a feature page about this at http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Tom_Ferko%27s_Satellite_Generator

A link for a higher-resolution version of the schematic is found there.

He's posting this as an open source project.

Today, he just posted a new video that is very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGxdM2JCLrE  [/font]

Sterling:

I caught your last appearance on Coast To Coast and I really enjoyed it.  I thought that you did a really good job that evening.  I hope that they have you on again soon.

Bill

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2012, 05:11:16 AM »
Sterling:

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On October 7, 2012, Tom Ferko agreed to open sourcing this design through PES Network, Inc.. He asks that if anyone goes commercial (selling stuff) with this design (or a close variant) that they remit a 5% royalty to him, which he will share with us at PES for helping to coordinate this project. We are splitting the royalty 60:40, Tom:PES, adjustable over time.

This is just an ordinary pulse motor that is magnetically coupled to an external spinning wheel.  What is there to sell?  What is the "project?"

Certainly I can see that this gentleman is fascinated by his experiments but there is really and truly nothing there.  He is just having fun and is just a beginner.  Can you see that?  It's quite shocking to me that you would make a page on PESN for this and talk about "going commercial."

It's just a nice little pulse motor setup.  Beyond that, there is nothing especially redeeming about what this person is demonstrating at all.  There are many pulse motor "veterans" around here and I would assume that they would agree with me.

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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 03:17:14 AM »
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It's just a nice little pulse motor setup.  Beyond that, there is nothing especially redeeming about what this person is demonstrating at all.  There are many pulse motor "veterans" around here and I would assume that they would agree with me.

MileHigh

I'm a veteren (some might say vintage), and I agree with you.

Cheers from the Toad who Hops

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2012, 03:21:22 AM »
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It's neat, and the fellow obviously is a craftsman. But gosh darn it.... the one part that all electrical Free Energy machines seem to have to have is sitting right there on the table: the big black battery.
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Or blue, or green, or red, or small, or hidden ...........
KneeDeep

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2012, 04:13:19 AM »
Sterling:

This is just an ordinary pulse motor that is magnetically coupled to an external spinning wheel.  What is there to sell?  What is the "project?"

Certainly I can see that this gentleman is fascinated by his experiments but there is really and truly nothing there.  He is just having fun and is just a beginner.  Can you see that?  It's quite shocking to me that you would make a page on PESN for this and talk about "going commercial."

It's just a nice little pulse motor setup.  Beyond that, there is nothing especially redeeming about what this person is demonstrating at all.  There are many pulse motor "veterans" around here and I would assume that they would agree with me.

MileHigh

I agree too, and I'd like to point out also that the basic circuit is nearly identical to the Bedini Schoolgirl/NPmotor, with the substitution of Hall effect triggering instead of the pickup coil triggering of the Bedini motor. The cute little side setup to boost voltage and light up some HV LEDs on the side is kind of neat, but so what.

I am astounded that these people are soliciting "royalties" for this basic pulse motor design. Maybe I should reveal the design of my Marinov repultraction pulse motor, also Hall effect triggered, which has no armature back reaction, and start charging people for the secret of winding its coils to simulate Marinov's Siberian Coilu with multiple current paths instead of just the two.


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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 04:29:05 AM »
Good morning to all,

I have a question to ask. I am not an electrical engineer or anything but have a genuine interest in exotic/free energy technology. I have gone through many of the posts on this site as well as PESN. Looking at many of the claims to overunity, seeing the frauds that are out there, in your opinion, what is the greatest challenge or obstacle that is standing in the way of free energy? I see that there are many talented people out there who are working on this, and I give you my full support, but just curious as to what the main technical obstalce is. Keep up the good work guys!

 

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