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Author Topic: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.  (Read 10597 times)

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Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« on: September 30, 2012, 12:37:42 AM »
Overunity has a new fascinating cover page video of a magnet held to and twisted on a ferrite toroid. The bulb turns on and off, and appears to be brighter with the magnet near horizontal then without it at all.. Here again is a project that begs replication due to it's simplicty and overunity potential. The possibility that the toroid is generating demagnatization power like JLN'S 2Sgen is tantalizing. I believe this Joule Thief is overunity at it's brightest at :48 compared to with no magnet at :23. I believe Lasersaber's Super JT 3 is overunity for the same reason. This ferrite toroid JT should loop back to source and self sustain with the magnet glued at the bright spot, and the capacitor and fast switching Shottky diode in series between the two output leads, just as I describe below for the Super JT 3. Here's the hyperlink for the Ferrite core video:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWRrEcLHZrM&list=PL210363D8A2772090&index=2&feature=plpp_video
 
Here's a comment I brought over from the Joule Ringer thread to help compliment the discussion:
 

JLN's 2Sgen "6" demonstrates a Lambda of 13.7. This is the ratio of demagnatization power to magnatization power. Lasersaber's Super JR "3" is an overunity generator of the same kind. A standard transformer uses steel laminations to regulate the unwanted side effect of power differential. The solid ferrite core and the single wrap 14 & 28 gauge primary and secondary makes Lasersaber's Super JR 3 identical to one side of a "COOK BATTERY" not a transformer. JLN'S formula can help determine the "Lambda". I believe this version has a good chance to loop back to source and self sustain due to it's very low control power requirement. The power source needs to be a rechargable Ni-Cad battery. The top wire of the secondary and the wire from the transistor collector that attach to the light bulb in the schematic need to go to a capacitor and fast switching diode in series. The battery would then attach to the posative and negative poles of the capacitor. The capacitor voltage has to be two or three volts over the battery voltage for it to work. When the battery voltage begins to climb, one needs to attach a load to avoid an explosion. A bank of LEDS would work fine. Again, Lasersaber's video hyperlink:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g
 

 
 
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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 02:47:09 AM »
Here's a comment from Jbignes5 copied from the Joule Ringer thread:

" I heard someone talking about looping back to the source. If you do this make sure you do it via a good isolation transformer and diode bridge with cap. This should work extremely well".

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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 02:51:57 AM »
Do you really think so? Then it should be a trivial matter for you to DO IT.



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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 03:20:08 AM »
@TinselKoala,
                       Oh my! My samovar is all filled up with Russian scientists on sabattical! Life is such a chore.

Secondly; I think Lasersaber should have the grace period to decide wether or not to rise to the challenge and secure the well earned honor and distinction of this kind of perpetual light World record setting achievement first.

Thirdly; Once again, I'm away from my shop while down here again in Costa Rica. I really wish I could try. Seriously though, what do you think of the ferrite toroid core effect? I posted a link to the video above.
                   
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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 04:18:55 AM »
Scratchrobo's ferrite toroid core, primary and secondary, 2n3055 transistor, D.C. power source and lightbulb are wired the same as Lasersaber's Super JT 3. The only difference between the two magnet pump generators is the button magnet held to the ferrite toroid. Lasersaber's Super JT 3 ferrite rod produces one major field alone when the primary's pulsed. The toroid produces two, one from the primary and the other from the secondary. The introduction of the neo magnet flatens the multiple electromagnetic fields, and produces one major field through more powerfull influence. This simulates an identical magnet pump demagnatization kind of generated power as Lasersaber's Super JT 3. These generators are virtually identical, and I believe both can be proven overunity with the same simple loop back to source circuit.

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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 10:02:38 AM »
And I believe they can't.

The magnet changes the permeability of the core. This is a known effect that actually was at the root of Steorn's Orbo pulse motor of the third type (core effect). The effect can be very dramatic in a pulse motor. On a JT type oscillator the magnet changes the frequency of the oscillation, due to the permeability change in the core. Essentially the external magnetic field drives the core closer to saturation. This can help or hurt, depending on the material, the oscillation, and the worker's goal. However, you get out what you put in, minus losses.

By a strange coincidence, I too have been using a "reversed" transistor (collector and emitter swapped in the circuit) lately in my little JTs. Not all cores will work with the 2n3904-type reversed but some do and at much reduced current but still bright LED light. I haven't yet dug out any of my stash of 2n3055 transistors to try them yet. Right now I am thinking of a two-mosfet JT with the light output coming from a secondary winding under the center-tapped primary, similar to what I showed in my last JT video but with more turns on the secondary and a royer-type oscillator on the primary. I don't know if it will be as efficient as the simple JTs, probably not, since the mosfets will dissipate some power, but it will be interesting to try.

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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 04:48:38 PM »
@TinselKoala,

I'm delighted that you chose to contribute to the thread. I understand that it's unfair for me to ask others to perform experiments for me, but again, it would be very simple for Lasersaber or Scratchrobo to test for OU the way I outlined. Short of that; Stoern's Orbo led to very exciting new discoveries, and both you and Jean Louis Naudin stand out as two of our foremost experimenters. My question to you is: What do you think of Nicoli Zaev's work and JL Naudin's well documented claim that his 2Sgen "6" has a COP of 13.7?

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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 05:24:51 PM »
Although the laser saber ver3 seems to power a halogen lamp it is running a 12 volt battery pack . I can also run a 60 watt bulb from a tiny inverter with a 12 volts battery pack.. I am just wondering what the current draw is .

I am wonder so bad that i ordered that ferrite rod . it cost 29.00 dollars ., not the 2 he said . i used his exact link .
I will replicate it using the same wire ,same transistor same core and give you my results .
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edit That jerk  seller is getting greedy they are over 30 dollars now. save money and get it here instead http://www.rgb52.com/8-by-5-8-625-ferrite-rod-good-for-hf-balun-011.htm



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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 09:42:23 PM »
Mopozco has a cover video of his Transistor Oscillated Air Core Inductor demonstrating a COP of > 3:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQjQzeOb2XM&list=PL210363D8A2772090&index=1&feature=plpp_video
 
Air has a dielectric constant or relative permativity just like ferrite. "The relative permittivity of a material under given conditions reflects the extent to which it concentrates electrostatic lines of flux." The same principles of quantum reguaging do work to generate power in Mopozco's Darlington pair air core overunity TROS inductor as they do to generate excess power in JLN's  2Sgen "6" Metglass core. Air molecules are staticly suspended inside Mopozco's inductor core, and magnatized there. The air molecule atom's electrons absorb ambient heat to do work on the copper windings as the electrons realign after the field is deformed by the electromagnetic pulse. Eccentric electrons break free as a proximate consequence, and account for the excess power. The ferrite material undergoes a mass reduction in moles of electrons and wears thin over time like copper windings in a generator. The air core of course can't ever wear out due to convection exchange, although the COP will remain lower compared to the higher permativity dielectric element cores like Barium Titanate etc.
 
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Re: Ferrite toroid JT & magnet.
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2012, 03:07:29 AM »
I'm flabbergasted that a ferrite rod can actually be sold for that much, these days.

@synchro: thanks for the flowers! I haven't looked at Zaev's work in quite some time so I don't want to comment. I like and respect Jean-Louis and have shamelessly gotten several good ideas from him. I'm envious of his facilities and his funding, that is for sure. But I can't help but notice that all of the overunity devices he tests and reports on have power supplies or batteries.... no matter how great the COP is that he measures.
Now, personally, I believe that if I had on my bench a device that _actually_ put out six times -- or even three times -- as much electrical energy as it took to run, I could make it self-loop and run without any external power supply. But he's never shown such a device self-looped and neither has anyone else. (The closest is to have a device run off of a battery or capacitor that it has charged itself... which I have done.... but at efficiencies less than unity.)

No, I'm not going to be trying to replicate any of that stuff just now, but I am going to wind another secondary winding on the latest JT variant of mine, which uses a ferrite "bead", sort of like a cylinder, with the primary winding around the outside (instead of thru the hole like a toroid).

It is very tedious to do accurate power and energy measurements using my analog oscilloscope but it can be done. I have to photograph the screen showing a voltage and a current (voltage drop) trace, then digitally put a grid onto that image, manually read off and multiply the values to generate an instantaneous power curve, then integrate that using a numerical approximation. Remarkably, I can get to within 5 percent of what a DSO reports... but it takes me a couple of hours per measurement, whereas the DSO does it in milliseconds.

@Gyula: those prices are more like what I'd expect. 2 or 3 dollars for a 200 mm rod is reasonable. I hope gadgetmall hasn't already committed to the more expensive source.


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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2012, 04:03:33 AM »
Actually i bought two of the exact 8 inch 5/8 rods and spent a ton of bucks . The permeability is a factor and if i am to replicate Ls 60 watt incandescent thingy i want to do it exactly like he is doing it . one cost 29 and the other 23. I saw those rods that were 10mm X 200mm and i said these are not what he used i saw them 8 for 33 bucks. i also see 5 different permeabilities  of those long fat rods .

I asked the seller why the heck are they so high and he told me they are very hard to get and he is running out and there will be no more . I don't know if you can tear a ham radio antenna Balun apart and get one or what but i have two fat expensive rods coming .I have yet to find his supplier on the net . If anyone buys those mm rods let us know if they light up a halogen bulb or light a filament on 1.2volts like saber did . I will have all the exact parts . I have three kinds of 2n3055 with different beta gains so its time to put it to rest . Ls seems to be magic with the jr1 .  lets see if it's magic with LS3

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