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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11718226 times)

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17865 on: August 28, 2017, 04:11:16 PM »
   Itsu:
   I didn't find a 1k ohm 2w resistor in my spare parts bin, for the Oleg snubber set up, so I placed a 460 ohm 3 watt resistor on, instead, for now. I also installed a big black 1.2uf AC fan cap, and two MUR1530 diodes. The rest of the previously installed mosfet snubber system is as it was previously, with no changes made to it.
 
   Results: The peaks are nearly as high as before, but it brought the previous 50v square wave's output down to 25v, or so.
   However, by attaching a short jumper wire from the 3t/cap to the grenades output side before the full bridge rectifier, I was able to further drop the spike down to reasonable levels. And, also adding earth grounding helps to further drop the spikes.
   The above tests were with the 24v PS as the input source, not the 12v battery.
   
   I was up till late last night working on this, and I'll make a new video when I get some more time, maybe later today or tonight.
   
   The good news is that nothing seams to be getting hot, so far. And, that the output seams to be fairly good, with the bulbs shining brightly.
   If it might be a good time, now, perhaps I can connect the Kacher up,  and see what gives.
   Let me know what you think.
                                                 NickZ
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17866 on: August 28, 2017, 07:18:23 PM »
   Dog-One:
   The scope made it to Costa Rica TODAY. It is now at the normal customs inspection, and within a week they will determine if I have to go and pay some import taxes on it, or not. If not, it will be sent to my place. 
   I'll know more about it in a few days. 
   The good news is it made it to this country, finally, and it is now located in C.R. customs, and is not lost in space.
 
           

   PS. They asked me WHO sent it,  and I answered them,  Dog-One.
           
                 Cheers,
                             NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17867 on: August 28, 2017, 09:05:16 PM »

Nick,

guess the 460 Ohm resistor is fine, unless its a wirewound type.
Not sure about the 1.2uF cap, those AC motor caps probably are very cheap builds.
The MUR1530 seems ok looking at their specs.

But the results you got does not make sense to me.

You had 50V (should be 24V) square wave with a 12V supply and now with a 24V supply you have 25V (should be 48V)  :o
It almost seems you now have a pure resistive load across the MOSFETs somehow.

Also what you mention about a short jumper to the grenade does not compute with me.

But if you are happy with the results, its fine by me.

Take a video when you are up to it, try the kacher if you like, make sure you have some protection in the 24V supply line, like 12V auto bulbs or 6A fuse etc.

Itsu 


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17868 on: August 28, 2017, 10:30:11 PM »
   Itsu, the results are surprisingly favorable even though the flat part of the square wave tops are only 25 volts. Peaks can get over 200v. Especially when using higher loads. Yet, the bulbs seam like they are lighting OK.
While the peaks were still high at first, I did manage to bring them down to useable levels.
   The jumper is connecting the 3t coil to the 168t grenade output coil. Which is shown in some schematics. And both RC circuits are connected to Earth ground. I'll explain it better in my next video. It may not make much sense, but I'm glad that it makes some light.
   The question now is what happens next when connecting up the Kacher circuit.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17869 on: August 28, 2017, 10:46:51 PM »

Nick,

good for you, there is only so much one can do remotely, best is to tinker for yourself (safely) and see the results.

It could be that when in resonance, the mutual inductance between the inductor coil / 3 turn coil and the primaries causes some (sine wave) distortion on the square wave flat part.
I have seen that in my setup too.

itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17870 on: August 29, 2017, 03:56:59 PM »
   Itsu:
   On further testing I found that the small 1/2 watt 56 ohm carbon resistor I placed for the fet snubber can't handle the higher loads, and started smoking. So, although it still works, but needs to be replaced by a higher value one.
 
    The bad news is that there is NO interaction from the Kacher. None. It does nothing to brighten up the bulbs. The Kacher has 5 to  6mm streamers, so it's working ok, but I see no improvement with it on. Same as in your last video before you turned in your towel, and gave up on it.

    It's the same everything (Kacher/grenade/yoke/rectifier, etz) that I had on there before I changed to the TL494 driver circuit. And even going through the whole frequency ranges does nothing to improve the interaction. Nor does the duty cycle controls help, either.
    So...  don't know what to do about that.  Something may be wrong there, but I don't know what.
    Anyways, I'll keep at it, and will continue looking for the solution.

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« Reply #17871 on: August 29, 2017, 04:05:11 PM »
Well done Nick, you've now reached base camp. :) Its all uphill from there. ;)


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17872 on: August 29, 2017, 04:24:13 PM »
   Itsu:
   On further testing I found that the small 1/2 watt 56 ohm carbon resistor I placed for the fet snubber can't handle the higher loads, and started smoking. So, although it still works, but needs to be replaced by a higher value one.
 
    The bad news is that there is NO interaction from the Kacher. None. It does nothing to brighten up the bulbs. The Kacher has 5 to  6mm streamers, so it's working ok, but I see no improvement with it on. Same as in your last video before you turned in your towel, and gave up on it.

    It's the same everything (Kacher/grenade/yoke/rectifier, etz) that I had on there before I changed to the TL494 driver circuit. And even going through the whole frequency ranges does nothing to improve the interaction. Nor does the duty cycle controls help, either.
    So...  don't know what to do about that.  Something may be wrong there, but I don't know what.
    Anyways, I'll keep at it, and will continue looking for the solution.
Hoppy tunning could the problem with streamers and the reason the bulbs don't get brighter be because your grenade frequency of resonance and your katcher resonance are not the same wavelength or harmonic which ever the case might be, other wise the grenade would suck the energy and the katcher would be quite dry due to the resonance would it not ? ;)

as an after thought what is the output of the grenade like and it's frequency have a look at that (but use an attenuated scope probe).

On another subject please notice the winding of this grenade coil winding, notice the layer length I wound a test coil like this and had a much better result.



Regards Allen

Not sure if this is the right thread but hope it helps.

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17873 on: August 29, 2017, 04:43:02 PM »
Well done Nick, you've now reached base camp. :) Its all uphill from there. ;)

   Hoppy:
   Good thing... I brought a bag full of Snickers for the rest of the trip. Hoping to make it to the top, before winter comes.

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« Reply #17874 on: August 29, 2017, 05:16:25 PM »
Hoppy tunning could the problem with streamers and the reason the bulbs don't get brighter be because your grenade frequency of resonance and your katcher resonance are not the same wavelength or harmonic which ever the case might be, other wise the grenade would suck the energy and the katcher would be quite dry due to the resonance would it not ? ;)

Regards Allen


I assume this post is for Nick's attention, as I dont currently have a build.

itsu

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« Reply #17875 on: August 29, 2017, 05:34:52 PM »

Nick,

i always understood that you should aim for resonance on the inductor, then adjust the kacher frequency to 50x, 60x or 100x that frequency.

Can you manipulate the kacher frequency, like by inserting a ferrite rod?


Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17876 on: August 29, 2017, 05:55:02 PM »
Nick,

i always understood that you should aim for resonance on the inductor, then adjust the kacher frequency to 50x, 60x or 100x that frequency.

Can you manipulate the kacher frequency, like by inserting a ferrite rod?


Itsu
I wouldn't have thought so, remember the V W wave form Enjoykin was excited about? Shurley, you haven't forgotten it's 3 times, come on figure it out you can do it  ;) also have you seen  this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWHEqx3Y5-w

Regards Allen

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17877 on: August 29, 2017, 09:35:23 PM »

AG,

this 3 times relation you mention, is to my knowledge not about the resonance of the wima cap/inductor compared to the kacher frequency.

Its the relation of the resonance frequency of the Grenade compared to the kacher frequency.
Like in my setup where i had the Grenade resonating on 2665Khz (2.665MHz) and had the kacher tuned (via a ferrite rod) to 1/3th which was 888Khz.

Ontop of that realtionship, there also has to be a 50x, 60x or 100x relation between the wima cap/ inductor resonance frequency and Grenade resonance frequency 

My setup was tuned for:
2.665Mhz grenade resonance frequency
888Khz kacher frequency (1/3)
26.6Khz wima cap / inductor resonance frequency (1/100th)

See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tgkg1XrDlk


At least that was how i understood the important relationships.

Itsu


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17878 on: August 30, 2017, 12:38:29 AM »
My setup was tuned for:
2.665Mhz grenade resonance frequency
888Khz kacher frequency (1/3)
26.6Khz wima cap / inductor resonance frequency (1/100th)
See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tgkg1XrDlk
At least that was how i understood the important relationships.
Itsu

Hi Itsu. That was a good video. Was there any particular phase shift setting for firing the kacher
that made the load light bulb at all noticeably more brighter than other phase settings? For example, did you get
any better brightness on the bulbs when firing the kacher on the current peaks for the resonant loop?
Did you have an earth ground wire connected, and, if so, where was it connected to? I realize the video was from
Nov. 2015, so you may not remember all the details now.



« Last Edit: August 30, 2017, 04:06:40 AM by Void »

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« Reply #17879 on: August 30, 2017, 02:06:55 AM »
Hallo Itsu   and Nick    and others.

I want to dive into this device also   .. I find it very  inspiring  to read the info and  tips  and  guidance  that  you offer Itsu.

Can you post or link a, or the   schematic  that  is used  here .

I would like to start ordering parts  , mosfets caps ic`s etc. and than start soldering.

Thanks everybody

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