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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17805 on: August 19, 2017, 01:17:36 PM »
Hmm how amusing, what bat cave did you get that from? the only bit I know is relevant is the coil resonance, we are really more concerned with transmission waves and harmonics, and static electricity and ferrox resonance, and of course where the energy comes from, any real ideas ?

The answer is within this database if only we could remove all the rubbish and irrelevant clutter from it. This is now a hard ware build forum, with the deepest respect could you please re-post your possible workings of your device else where..(another thread) perhaps.

Many thanks.
AG

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« Reply #17805 on: August 19, 2017, 01:17:36 PM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17806 on: August 19, 2017, 01:34:26 PM »

What a bullshit, you dont can read he don't sold nothing he has bought !!!
I don't understand what you're saying here, please re phase.

The photo looks like a John Serl rotary magnetic device, I haven't seen one working since the Russians published information and a short film on this device, you really need to see this working before you invest any capital on this machine if indeed it exists as advertised. Again it's an advert and of thread.

It's really a constant battle keeping this tread on track with the constant input of none relevant stories any one any ideas to get and keep this tread on target?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17807 on: August 19, 2017, 04:12:18 PM »
  Itsu:
  Ok, I've tune the device by adding the brand new fets, and the small snubber caps to the fets. While running on a 12v, 7ah battery.
Now the readings show as close as I can get it to the 1/2 ringing frequency. It's at 2.3 and 2.4 divisions, at .5us. So, 2.3 times .5 is 1.15. Calctool give me 869.565KHz.  Correct?
   I don't know if ringing frequency will change if using the 24v PSU instead of the 12v battery but I'll find out soon enough.
I just don't want to burn the new fets, just yet. The voltage readings are running under 200v using the battery.

   However, if I add any other caps like the ones at the 3t coil/cap (other than the 0.47uf), or at the grenade output before the rectifier, the above tuned frequency changes.  So, please let me know if you think that this is ok, or any other suggestions you may have.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17808 on: August 19, 2017, 04:19:26 PM »

Nick,

ok, so if your ringing first top peaks are 2.3 divisions apart at a 0.5us setting, then indeed the time is 1.15us which is 869,6Khz

This ringing frequency should not change when going to 24V, but we are not there yet.

Please give me the value of the cap that causes this halfing of the ringing frequency.

Itsu

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« Reply #17809 on: August 19, 2017, 04:34:48 PM »

I see the posting at the same time [sorry]@@ maybe start a new topic to discuss this amongst your group if it really seems important ?


to Alien


respect ??


agree to the boundaries ,the purpose ,the goals ...
maybe a moderator ?

I know a guy who knows a guy  [ that sent an Oscope to a fellow here],

that
fellow has a lot of experience moderating at another forum [DOG] ,but over here it can be a handful, social graces, between different nationalities , behaviors ,attitudes...etc etc.

maybe the serious builders can set up a spot here ?
a board which either has limited participation or access ? all can view but member participation would be determined by the group??
verpies had pondered this in discussions [how to??]

apologies to the Dog [Dog one]for throwing his name out ,but he is soooo good at what he does [moderating at Russ's place

and the less we trouble our host the better .

maybe just a board that the moderator/manager  can add members to ? serious fellows never break the rules in a group, so really don't need moderation

??

just some thoughts

but mostly gratitude to the fellows here who keep at it...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17810 on: August 19, 2017, 04:43:12 PM »
   Itsu:
   Both fets are running with a blue 102M capacitor. The right side fet has the same 102M, as well as another smaller blue 471k.
Voltage peaks are running at around 150v on the left fet, and 170v on the right fet. This can be varied by the duty cycle and frequency changes on the TL494, as well as any other caps added to the rest of the device. These reading are with the inductor/capacitor RC circuit running at it best frequency settings.

   Ramset:  Thanks for the ideas. However, there will always be some guys trying to discuss unrelated topics here, with or without a moderator. And you may be right in mentioning that no one really wants a moderator.
 
   If I start a new thread the same thing will happen there. The best thing is to keep this thread focused on the topic as hand.
   The idea here,  was not to continue with the same Tariel Kapananze devices discussion, which was why this thread was started. As the Kapanadze builds or discussion has it's own thread.  I don't know who put the topic under Kapanadze devices, simply because it was started to discuss the TK's cousin device. Which is totally different. Perhaps, that can be changed on the home page, if needed. As this thread really has little to nothing to do with what Kapanadze built.
   In any case some off topic discussions may be relevant here as well. But, not pages and pages of on going thread hijacking.
   My suggestion is to change the topic heading to:  Dally/Akula/Ruslan discussions and replications. And to remove the word Kapanadze from this thread. If possible. I think that most of the guys posting here would be in agreement with that.
   If not, I may start a new thread. With the same heading as stated above.
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17811 on: August 19, 2017, 04:58:20 PM »

Chet,

these "principle discussions" come in waves and i think are a necessity to keep this thread alive and even rejuvinated from time to time.

I understand that for some people these discussions are off topic, but i personaly think they are not.

Just use your common sense and ignore the posts that are irrelevant to you, as they may be very important to someone else.

No need for a moderator/manager if you ask me, so everybody can join in as i certainly need every backup from knowledgeable people who are willing to contribute to the topic at hand, whatever that may be.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17812 on: August 19, 2017, 05:04:36 PM »

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Both fets are running with a blue 102M capacitor.
The right side fet has the same 102M, as well as another smaller blue 471k.
Voltage peaks are running at around 150v on the left fet, and 170v on the right fet.
This can be varied by the duty cycle and frequency changes on the TL494, as well as any other caps added to the rest of the device.
This is with the inductor/capacitor RC circuit running at it best frequency settings.

Nick,

so you say that 1 MOSFET has a 102 tagged cap. (1nF) and the other a 102 and a 471 tagged cap parallel (1.47nF)?

Why the difference? Are not both MOSFETs showing the same ringing frequency when WITHOUT any caps?

Itsu

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« Reply #17813 on: August 19, 2017, 05:09:18 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17814 on: August 19, 2017, 05:38:53 PM »
  That is correct, both fets are ringing at different frequencies even with no caps on. Both in voltage, as well as in the ringing frequency.
  I've changed the yoke, fets, caps and most of the components, and still there is a difference in the frequency to be noticed.
Perhaps this is normal. As even the new fets measure differently and are not showing the exact or nearly the same resistance readings. Nor are any of the other fets that I've tried, and I've gone through more than just a few.
  If I don't add any caps, to test the starting frequency, the voltages can reach over 200v. Even on 12v. So, I have to be careful with that.
  Adding a car bulb, also changes the frequencies, and I get no output at the bulb to see where the best running frequency is at. And placing additional bulbs such as the one that will be used (200w bulbs) also changes things, by a lot. So, this has been a very tricky thing, to obtain the needed results therefrom.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17815 on: August 19, 2017, 05:59:59 PM »

Nick,

the ringing frequency is mainly caused by the stray capacitance and inductance of the attached primary coils / connections
This should be almost the same for both primaries, so the ringing frequency should be almost the same.
I never have seen different ringing frequencies on my MOSFETs in this kind of setup.


Anyway, to continue with the next step, we take your 1nF cap and divide it by 3, meaning we have 330pF as the parasitic capacitance for 1 MOSFET (left)
For the other MOSFET (right) we take 1.47nF and divide by 3, meaning here we have 490pF parasitic capacitance.

I will calculate the parasitic inductance (step 3) and the characteristic inpedance (step 4) for these found capacitances later tonight.

The needed capacitors will be between 4 and 10 times the above found parasitic capacitance (330 and 490pF), so we could settle for something like 2.2 or 3.3nF.

Itsu


 

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« Reply #17816 on: August 19, 2017, 06:06:14 PM »

Nick,

it sure is a tricky thing, especially when using long wires to and from the power supplies / batteries.
Try to keep them as short as possible.

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« Reply #17817 on: August 19, 2017, 07:30:46 PM »

Nick,

for calculating the RC snubber i need to know the ringing frequency of the MOSFETs without any capacitance.
I now understand that you have 2 different ringing frequencies, so please tell me what are these ringing frequencies (1 was 1.98Mhz), but what is the other?

Itsu

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« Reply #17818 on: August 19, 2017, 10:44:27 PM »
   OK, I'll do that later tonight.
   But, should I use the 12v battery instead of the PSU? As I'd be running new FETs at possibly close to 300v.
   I've tried to do what I can to figure out why there is a difference in the running frequency, but I still don't have a clue. The wires lenght are the same for both fets. And the TL494 and drivers run very similar, so it's probably not that.

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« Reply #17819 on: August 19, 2017, 10:52:40 PM »

Nick,

300V spikes is to much for your 200V MOSFETs.
But it could be, as mentioned by Hoppy, that your probes are giving false readings, did you try to use these shortend ground leads?
Else you could try to further lower the supply voltage.

Itsu

 

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