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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17610 on: August 07, 2017, 03:38:48 PM »
Hi all,

Catching up with posts you guys made. There are few things I would like to point out.

In regards to yoke/toroid. The primary coils setup worked best for me when there are bifilar winding with center tap. Which means 2 paralel wires 12-24T on primary on side-by-side with starting and ending on same places. The ending was conected together and connnected to the positive rail and the begining of coils connected to MOSFETs. It is Sergey Alexeew way and apparently worked best wih BEMF because it was made positive not negative(which overheat internal diodes of mosfets)

In regards to effect needed to achieve. I might repeat Nth time but there is no magic. Ionization of air with nanosecond pulser/Tesla coil then abruptly shorting HV over spark gap/etc create ambient response which is extra energy flowing for some time by inertia. That was a way akula explained to me.  So you get charged Air/Ground capacitor after primary circuit is already switched off. That energy needs to be collected and converted... The one of simplest circuits was shared from akula with 2 spark gaps. Which was designed to do exactly that mode of operation.

In regards to Geo, - seems he is unreachable for a month or so, not sure what happened. If you are close to Aruba, might ping him...

Cheers!

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« Reply #17611 on: August 07, 2017, 03:42:49 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Yeah, I thought I would just mention the Prentice patent since he was an
actual working engineer, and said he found the earth ground OU effect (if that is what is was) 
by accident when working on a project for the railway. Maybe there are some details in his setup
that could help people, as he seems to have been pretty specific about his setup details in
his patent application notes. However, I know people have been experimenting with this stuff for years
already, so if the OU effect is real, it sure seems it is not easy at all to find the effect.  Maybe the Prentice
patent is just one more piece to the puzzle. :)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17612 on: August 07, 2017, 05:04:09 PM »
In regards to effect needed to achieve. I might repeat Nth time but there is no magic. Ionization of air with nanosecond pulser/Tesla coil then abruptly shorting HV over spark gap/etc create ambient response which is extra energy flowing for some time by inertia. That was a way akula explained to me.  So you get charged Air/Ground capacitor after primary circuit is already switched off. That energy needs to be collected and converted... The one of simplest circuits was shared from akula with 2 spark gaps. Which was designed to do exactly that mode of operation.

Hi T-1000. Thanks for the info. Strangely though Akula seems to have had
no sparkgap or pulser circuit at all in his 'first self runner', and no sparkgap in his 'second
self runner' as well, as near as I could tell anyway.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17613 on: August 07, 2017, 05:05:41 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Yeah, I thought I would just mention the Prentice patent since he was an
actual working engineer, and said he found the earth ground OU effect (if that is what is was) 
by accident when working on a project for the railway. Maybe there are some details in his setup
that could help people, as he seems to have been pretty specific about his setup details in
his patent application notes. However, I know people have been experimenting with this stuff for years
already, so if the OU effect is real, it sure seems it is not easy at all to find the effect.  Maybe the Prentice
patent is just one more piece to the puzzle. :)
yes back in the old railroad days of the cow boys (nothing has changed much) the telegraph wire ran along the rail track and a leg was used to earth, the relays would do a ghostly chatter i high solar activity. if a coil could harness that activity what are you waiting for ? so whats its frequency of maximum amplitude? if the earth Schuman resonance is really low hz we need a bloody long length of wire miles in fact but wait some clever Russian invented the Grenade coil, hmm! So what does that do when its wound correctly? find out how that works!

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17614 on: August 07, 2017, 05:35:23 PM »
Hi all,

Catching up with posts you guys made. There are few things I would like to point out.
In regards to Geo, - seems he is unreachable for a month or so, not sure what happened. If you are close to Aruba, might ping him...

Cheers!
Hi Arunus nice to see you back, where have you been?

In regards to yoke/toroid. The primary coils setup worked best for me when there are bifilar winding with a center tap. Which means 2 parallel wires 12-24T on primary on side-by-side with starting and ending on same places. The ending was connected together and connected to the positive rail and the beginning of coils connected to MOSFETs. It is Sergey Alexeew way and apparently worked best wih BEMF because it was made positive not negative(which overheat internal diodes of MOSFETs)

Yes, i experimented with this it was brilliant and also produced other duplication of frequency harmonics easily, however, I don't understand why you are using so many turns and so high a voltage I had excellent results using a good quality toroid and 8+8 t and only 12v. did you have to double the 4 turn wind to 8 turns and the 28t to 58 turns to get any thing to work as i suspect it would cause a huge damping down and suppress any self-resonance oscillations  ?

Regarding the Akula circuit, I have yet to play with that one but found adding a diode capacitor circuit produced a high static pull down of charged particles which charged anything in the lab with a good spark each time touched which would be of use in this device. Allen

itsu

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« Reply #17615 on: August 07, 2017, 10:25:32 PM »

Nick,

i have setup a similar circuit as you have, here on my bench (your TL494, push-pull MOSFETs, yoke, inductor and grenade with a 40W/220V load bulb
I have used the mentioned procedure to calculate an RC snubber and installed it on my MOSFETs.

My RC snubber calculated to be a 176 Ohm resistor in series with a 10nF capacitor to minimize the 820Khz ringing i had.

I am left with a spike on MOSFET turnoff time, but these spikes (268 and 232Vpp) are within the used MOSFETs specs (500V / 132A).
In your case (IRFP260 = 200V) you should need some extra protection via a varistor or TVS diode across the drain / sources if your spikes are similar.

I was running the wima cap / inductor in resonance pulling 24V @ 5A from the batteries.
No heatsinks are used on the MOSFETs as they don't run hot.

The screenshot shows the both MOSFETs drain / gate signals and the spikes at turnoff time.
Yellow / purple are drain/gate signals MOSFET 1
Blue / green    are drain/gate signals MOSFET 2

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCAmXzmgkg

After a W10 upgrade to its latest level the youtube videos are crap in IE, so i use Chrome to play HD video's!!


Hope this shows that it is possible to run your setup for where you want to use it for.
Off course there are other options like mentioned here in the thread.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17616 on: August 07, 2017, 11:48:23 PM »
Nick,

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCAmXzmgkg

After a W10 upgrade to its latest level the youtube videos are crap in IE, so i use Chrome to play HD video's!!


Hope this shows that it is possible to run your setup for where you want to use it for.
Off course there are other options like mentioned here in the thread.

Itsu
  Have you tried adding some c across where the drains connect on the toroid 10 to 50 pf and watching on the scope? mine are irf150m i don't get all that over heating or frying to night probs of huge amp draw.
 Allen

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« Reply #17617 on: August 08, 2017, 12:36:34 AM »
  OK, thanks again.
  I'll watch your video now as I've been busy at work.
   I've got some caps to try out for the snubber, and I'll try them out later tonight.
I'm trying out the 103, 222, 472M, and others, I'll show some scope shots soon.
I don't have a 1.5ns, the 222 is the closest one to it. But the 103's are 2000v.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17618 on: August 08, 2017, 10:07:04 AM »
Yes, i experimented with this it was brilliant and also produced other duplication of frequency harmonics easily, however, I don't understand why you are using so many turns and so high a voltage I had excellent results using a good quality toroid and 8+8 t and only 12v. did you have to double the 4 turn wind to 8 turns and the 28t to 58 turns to get any thing to work as i suspect it would cause a huge damping down and suppress any self-resonance oscillations  ?
WIth 24V setup instead of 12V the amp draw is less in expense of higher voltage so there is also less heating on push-pull MOSFETs. Also I am using PWM so the duty cycle for tuning is between 8-35%
And the main trick wih bifilar winding having center tap is, the BEMF is always positive which is exactly what transistors can handle without power losses.

Cheers!

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17619 on: August 08, 2017, 10:54:44 AM »

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OK, thanks again.
  I'll watch your video now as I've been busy at work.
   I've got some caps to try out for the snubber, and I'll try them out later tonight.
I'm trying out the 103, 222, 472M, and others, I'll show some scope shots soon.
I don't have a 1.5ns, the 222 is the closest one to it. But the 103's are 2000v.


Nick,

ok, try the 222 (2.2nF) it could work, but as can be seen in the linked procedure, lateron you need a cap between 4 to 10 times of 1/3th of that 2.2nF cap. (if that really halfs the ringing)
1/3th of 2.2nF = 733pF          4x 733 = 2.9nF      10x 733 = 7.3nF,  so a C between 2.9 and 7.3nF

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3835


Anyway, will work that out when you are ready.

Itsu

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« Reply #17620 on: August 08, 2017, 12:58:12 PM »
Nick,

ok, try the 222 (2.2nF) it could work, but as can be seen in the linked procedure, lateron you need a cap between 4 to 10 times of 1/3th of that 2.2nF cap. (if that really halfs the ringing)
1/3th of 2.2nF = 733pF          4x 733 = 2.9nF      10x 733 = 7.3nF,  so a C between 2.9 and 7.3nF

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3835


Anyway, will work that out when you are ready.

Itsu
note this pic your wanting to remove oscillations all you need to get rid of are the spikes you need to keep the ringing ! or just give up because your destroying what you need ! YOUR DISTROYING THE DIPOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its why your getting no where, got it now ?

It might be an idea to increase the ringing to obtain more F you can do this by reducing the on time. got it ?

PS why is reb waveform off when it should be on / is it inverted ?

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« Reply #17621 on: August 08, 2017, 02:00:25 PM »

No need to shout, i get it, i just don't believe it or care.



Concerning your PS, we have been there before, just look it up, see the below link (conclusion) and go back from there.

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg475188/#msg475188


Itsu

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« Reply #17622 on: August 08, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »
  Alien Grey:
  You sound like you might need a Snicker Bar, or two...
  You would be more believe able if you were showing us what you mean, instead of just saying it.

   Itsu:  Ok, well last night I was up till late again,  checking out the 1/2 frequency when trying out the different caps.
It seams that the main highest peak, which is the main issue here, is what to focus on. And for my set up, the blue 103 (2000v) cap worked best in reducing this main 120v spike. Although it no where near the 200v limit of my fets (IRFP260N).
But, as my two channels are always showing a small difference in amplitude of this ringing, I maybe need two different caps on there. So, I'm still looking into it, but it looks like a doubling up of the snubber caps is what works best for me.  That is, so that the channel with the higher peak on it, that was always overheating it's Fet, is tamed down a bit. And it takes a 222 and a 103 capacitor, (both) in parallel to it, to drop the ringing. But, the main idea is to just drop this peak so that my fets don't go up in smoke. In seconds...
   The Siglent scope should be here shortly. And we can get into the tuning of this more accurately. This peak thing is what is hanging most everyone up, that has tried to get this far.  But, there's the output side of things, to think about, also.
 How much juice will reducing this peak take away from the output?  Hopefully, not much at all.

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« Reply #17623 on: August 08, 2017, 04:52:43 PM »

Nick,

i believe the ringing is causing the heating up of the MOSFETs, not the single spike.
This single spike will (if exceeding the MOSFET voltage rating to long) damage the MOSFET after a while.
So both need to be taken care of.

Tame the ringing, then you probably have found the heating problem.
Then see if the remaining spike is to big for your MOSFET and if so, take care of that spike then.

Itsu

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« Reply #17624 on: August 08, 2017, 05:21:12 PM »
Nick,

If you still suffer from overheating when you have optimised the snubbers, then re-build your outputs so that the drivers are much closer to the mosfets (ideally no more than 1cm. Use small carbon or metal oxide (0.6W) for the gate resistors.