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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 10193571 times)

Offline apecore

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17325 on: June 05, 2017, 04:57:19 PM »
I still have not all details. Just winding direction of extra coil in both cases is same as neighbor layer and the wire length follow same length as L1 in A.S. case and same as L2 in Dniester case.
1- When i m understanding it in the right context...... This is a extra coil outside of the grenade and have same wirelength of the L1 coil?

In addition to Dniester winding method the wire from the middle of grenade go straight to end then L3 is made as usual.
2- I understand...  normal flyback for starting L3

In A.S. case he explained only winding direction under L1 and said about that to be tuned to the half wave. Which end go to the L1 I am not sure and is something to find out.
Is this concerning point 1?.... so length has to be adjusted to half wave or Lambda/2

And the grenade L1 starts in series to extra winding before going to the ground. Plus one of inductor wires is also going to the ground in his case.
3- This point also is related to point 1 and 2?.....seems this extra coil is part of the GROUND wire?....creating half wave (lambda/2) from ground to L1 node.

This creates superimposed standing wave when bouncing to ground point, ... i guess he is using a STAR_GROUND point at his setup where the Null_node (L1) will be.
L6 is in this case the PEAK_node.
And inductor is connected to STAR_GROUND

Just a logical explanation,....  if i do understand it is configured in this way?



Regarding Spectrum analysing of grenades,....i see approx. same peaks as Itsu posted,...... (37.5m/50mm/2.5mm^2 kapanadze grenade)
i guess Itsu hasn't connected one node of his grenade to GROUND and also hasn't completely placed it as a DUT in the whole setup?
This to include the nearby capacitance of the system.
This will have effect on the resonance point.



The attached S.A. shot is from a grenade placed as a DUT and L1 node connected to GROUND.
I modified L4L5L6 in winding numbers in order to increases its LC resonance.

Due this grenade has a wire length of 40 meter its lambda/4 frequenty would be 1.875Mhz.
Without this modification of winding numbers i stay  approx. 200-250khz below the Lambda/4.
Also different connecting strategies will also influence the resonance peaks also.

So perhaps this gives some more inside information about modifying grenade configurations and S.A. shots.

regards

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17326 on: June 05, 2017, 05:24:17 PM »
   T-1000:
   I'm using the same type design for the TL494/TC4420 circuit that Stalker is using currently, but with some minor differences, such as the voltage regulators and filters are from TopRuslan 7, and the Pinoytech design for the connections of the TL494.
These changes were because I was trying to improve the original TopRuslan design which apecore also had to change.
   The pinoytech design is similar to how I'm connecting the TL494, and fet driver circuits.  I've posted all those diagrams previously.

  Below is what my signals look like, from the original TopRuslan design, as well as how they look now, similar, after all the changes. Not much difference, no matter what I do. Fets are both on at the same time, depending on controller settings.
 

   


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17327 on: June 05, 2017, 05:53:19 PM »
test

I know Nick has problems shrinking images on his phone
Schematic for above post.

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17328 on: June 05, 2017, 11:33:06 PM »

Nick nice view of the palm trees out the window ;)

Also can't help notice sagging of tube is it getting hot ? wondering id it has any shorts, just asking ? ps looks a great set up though.

Ramset that's just a bit too small to read stuff off devices ;)


Where is extra coil winding ?

« Last Edit: June 06, 2017, 01:53:21 AM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17329 on: June 06, 2017, 04:37:46 AM »
Good day !
I have came across 2 videos and i want to share them with you .. probably is just "old news"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poC07RRRCfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WUPIWmE-SQ

He is not using a "standard" grenade , The length of the wire is 56 m.
In the first video he is exciting the inductor with a signal generator, he found a frequency sweet spot where he gets "bubbles" on the output of the grenade, around 15.43kHz.
In the second video he has replaced the signal generator with the push-pull, yoke, series cap and he found again the "bubbles" in the system. But using the yoke that effect is dependent on the PSU voltage.
The grenade has no tesla coil connected, so this effect is not dependent on some pulser ..
I don't know who the guy is or what he accomplished.
I don't have access right now at the workbench, I want to ask if anyone have found the same bubble effect  on the grenade or on the inductor.

Good day Zalmoxis

Thanks for sharing the links:

I have attached a few scope shots from a PLL (phase lock loop) circuit demonstating the same *bubble effect*.

Basically any sine wave at a _certain_ time base setting relative to the frequency of the sine wave can produce this type of effect.

When a *coil* is driven by a _square_ waveform, (ie; push pull inverter for example), and as it passes through a resonant point, *if* the time base on the scope is set accordingly, then the *bubble effect* will be seen.  This is caused by the fact that the as the reactances cancel and the coil's frequencies cross through a resonant point, the square drive wave becomes a sine wave across the coil.

On one of my attached scope-screen shots, you can see that as the time base is *changed* the bubble effect becomes apparent.

This is *useful* to note when and if your coil is operating in a *resonant* state.  This can be seen on the PLL scopeshot,  You can see how the PLL changes its frequency to track the Resonant point of the circuit by the apparent shifting of the sinewave frequency in relation to the static timebase.

hope this helps.......
 
take care, peace
lost_bro

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17330 on: June 06, 2017, 06:10:45 AM »
   Sorry for messing up the thread with that full sized image of the TopRuslan schematic. I tried to removed it and place the right image that I have already resized, but as there is no modify button, I couldn't. So, perhaps the admin can take care of that when they see it.  It was an oversight on my part as I do have resized ones. Me bad.

   AG: yes, the grenade/Kacher former tube has sagged a bit in the middle from overheating after some long run times. As the coils are thick heavy wire, the inside filled with ferrite and the former tube is sink drain tube which is thin walled. But, there is also some slack between the Kacher tube and the grenade tube, as there are two tubes, one slides into the other. That is my original grenade and my only grenade, and it has been used to light up to 650w worth of bulbs at times. So, there was a lot of heat given off by the coils.
   I have not tried the bifilar wound yoke primary, until I see one of us using it on a self runner.
   Up to now I only see relatively poor output from most of our bulbs. No OU, and nowhere close to 500-1000w output. Much less 2000-4000w worth of bulbs lit up, even partially, such as Ruslan, Akula, Poma, Adrian, TK, and several other Russians have obtain from their set ups. I'm still wondering whats up with that. No OU prize for us yet?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17331 on: June 06, 2017, 07:53:08 AM »
   Sorry for messing up the thread with that full sized image of the TopRuslan schematic. I tried to removed it and place the right image that I have already resized, but as there is no modify button, I couldn't. So, perhaps the admin can take care of that when they see it.  It was an oversight on my part as I do have resized ones. Me bad.

   AG: yes, the grenade/Kacher former tube has sagged a bit in the middle from overheating after some long run times. As the coils are thick heavy wire, the inside filled with ferrite and the former tube is sink drain tube which is thin walled. But, there is also some slack between the Kacher tube and the grenade tube, as there are two tubes, one slides into the other. That is my original grenade and my only grenade, and it has been used to light up to 650w worth of bulbs at times. So, there was a lot of heat given off by the coils.
   I have not tried the bifilar wound yoke primary, until I see one of us using it on a self runner.
   Up to now I only see relatively poor output from most of our bulbs. No OU, and nowhere close to 500-1000w output. Much less 2000-4000w worth of bulbs lit up, even partially, such as Ruslan, Akula, Poma, Adrian, TK, and several other Russians have obtain from their set ups. I'm still wondering whats up with that. No OU prize for us yet?



Good work Nick

Youre correct on your observations.  The Ruslan Schematic is far from OU and is missing some vital aspects of what it takes to drive heavy inductive loads with ease.  That version is not autoresonant which is vital in even getting anywhere close to UNITY 100% efficient.  As far as Akula goes he hasn't got OU. 

Those schematics that are posted here are an absolute mess.

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17332 on: June 06, 2017, 11:19:45 AM »
Good work Nick
Those schematics that are posted here are an absolute mess.
Re Scope shots

To me it looks like sine wave modulation, in one shot you can see where one sine wave looses part of the wave and is cut off.

I'm not sure if that shape works (produces phenomena) ? you tell me, I think we are looking for a 'compression of time and space like a flat 'Skate' fish shape like a kind of pulsing effect perhaps.
Where I would expect a sudden increase in current draw in energy perhaps.

Just because it's a mess doesn't mean anything concerning the end product.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17333 on: June 06, 2017, 11:44:22 AM »
Re Scope shots

To me it looks like sine wave modulation, in one shot you can see where one sine wave looses part of the wave and is cut off.

I'm not sure if that shape works (produces phenomena) ? you tell me, I think we are looking for a 'compression of time and space like a flat 'Skate' fish shape like a kind of pulsing effect perhaps.
Where I would expect a sudden increase in current draw in energy perhaps.

Just because it's a mess doesn't mean anything concerning the end product.
The scope shots in working setups are showing standing waves. Please see http://telecom-hyb.blogspot.de/2016/08/vswr-stands-for-voltage-standing-wave.html for explanation in detail about standing waves.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17334 on: June 06, 2017, 01:42:27 PM »
I have attached a few scope shots from a PLL (phase lock loop) circuit ...
See Itsu's video of a similar circuit below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgtnWuuCMDI


NOTE: This is not a FE circuit..

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17335 on: June 06, 2017, 05:54:11 PM »
hi all, sorry if is not the right place  to ask, I've made the circuit as attached and when using "earth" connection to mentioned point , battery draw is almost 4 time less
voltmeter is across 0.16ohm /2w resistor. I can sense the difference in consumption by touchin the resistor, getting hot.
voltage across res without earth connection is 130 to 160mv( 0.8-1A) and when I connect the earthing is 35-50 mv.
not equiped with osciloscope to see the wave or freq, duty cycle is at minimum.
maybe someone can give me some clues on it?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17336 on: June 06, 2017, 07:26:03 PM »

lost_bro,

here i use my old method of determining the resonance frequencies of the grenade.
I have my FG loosly coupled with the grenade by a cliplead wire wrapped 2 turns on the thickest part of the grenade
I sweep the FG in 10s from 10Khz to 10MHz, so we see on the scope this frequency range at 1Mhz /div.

It shows roughly the same dips as with the SA, but now as amplitude peaks at 950Khz, 1.7Mhz and 2.6Mhz.

Moving the FG coupling point has some influence on these peaks, so i consider the SA method the better one.

Regards Itsu

Good Day Itsu

Yes, I have encountered the same *issue*.  The position of the _probe_ will affect the amplitude of and sometimes shift the resonant peaks.  Same with the position of the inductor winding............

I agree with you that the SA method using a Tracking Generator will give an uniform and integrated *picture* of the resonant points.  But, as mentioned above, positioning of the *Inductor winding* and for that matter it seems anything within the _near field_ of the Grenade will and does influence the resonant points.  So even when using the SA w/ TG, the *ultimate position of*, and *interaction with* any and all objects within the _near field_ cause a distortion of the virgin free space Fres (res. freq.).

Ruslan had mentioned, very long time ago, that the Grenade is a "Half wave Antenna @ 4Mhz"

I think a valid question would be:   Should the Fres of the Grenade be calculated and/or measured according to *free space* parameters, or should it include all *near_field* effects?

Anyone with access to a Spectrum Analyzer is going to see very rapidly that this *Grenade* is a virtual _can of worms_ to deal with.  I believe this is why there are so many different recommendations regarding how to wind it.

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I couldn't find the *modify* button either to correct my last post...........



take care, peace
lost_bro



« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 12:12:10 AM by lost_bro »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17337 on: June 06, 2017, 10:17:36 PM »
   All:
   I also tried to use my signal generator to inject pulses onto the grenade coil, through a 2 turn coil onto the grenade's 168t coil. Which was grounded on one side to my 37.5 meter ground line. Then tried to match the same or harmonic frequency on my Kacher by cutting it up like a salad into pieces shorter and shorter to try to match the same frequency. That led to little to no results for me.
   Now I don't try to match to any fixed nor set frequency, I just try to see where I get the best sync and output at the bulb(s). Similar to what Geo was doing, as he had no scope, nor much else to work with. Yet, he has obtained the best results so far, of any of us to date. And was why I was kind of hard on him for not keeping in touch, and sharing his results with us. Be they good or bad results.
  Also keep in mind that each added bulb will change the running frequencies of the whole circuit, as can the types of ground lines, etz...

   I only trust what I can see with my own eyes on the self runners type videos, and I even take that as possibly not what is really going on, at all. But, it's the best approach that I can come up with, up to now. Along with our house detective, Hoppy's advice.
   
   Although I see no comparison between my same grenade/Kacher circuit running from the Mazilli driver, as compared to what the TL494/UC4420 can do at the bulbs, up to now. Yet, there is no OU in either case, much less self running.
However, this will not stop me from continuing with this project, I'll just have to keep learning and testing, as I still have much left to try.
  I thank you all for your cooperation and interest in this thread. It's good to see some of the old timers back, as well.
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17338 on: June 07, 2017, 12:00:05 AM »
hi all , trying again to post , my previous post is still waiting for moderator to appove (?)
anyway , here comes ahgain with only one  attachement
I've made the circuit as attached and when using "earth" connection to mentioned point , battery draw is almost 4 time less
voltmeter is across 0.16ohm /2w resistor. I can sense the difference in consumption by touchin the resistor, getting hot.
voltage across res without earth connection is 130 to 160mv( 0.8-1A) and when I connect the earthing is 35-50 mv.
not equiped with osciloscope to see the wave or freq, duty cycle is at minimum.
maybe someone can give me some clues on it?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17339 on: June 07, 2017, 01:44:07 AM »
See Itsu's video of a similar circuit below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgtnWuuCMDI


NOTE: This is not a FE circuit..

Good day Verpies

Interesting that you used the *timing cap*, Pin#6 & 7 on the CD4046 as your *master_timer* for the TL494 *slave*.  Nice work!
I used a Chinese made ($1.50USD) SG3525 w/ LM358 pcb for the *slave*.  The Chinese pcb already has the totem pole output transistors in place and an onboard LM358 for over-voltage feedback control, and also has input pins for soft_start and over_current protection.

I originally tried to use Pin# 3, (sync pin) for the *slave* connection to the *master*.   It seemed that the maximum _Capture & Lock_ bandwidth was only about 3kHz with the sync pin as input.  Since that was NOT sufficient bandwidth for the application, I had to find another viable route.

I finally used Pin # 5  (timing cap) input as the *slave* connection, as you did on your schematic with the TL494. 
Using Pin #5, I was able to obtain a variable bandwidth over 10kHz for _Capture & Lock_, both being the same ( I used Pin #13, Type 2 phase comparator) on the CD4046BE.

I used Pin # 4 (output Pin) on the CD4046 as the *master_timer* but it was necessary to use a _frequency_doubler_ between the *master* & *slave* to make it work.

Instead of a *Passive_lag_loop_filter* for VCO input, I set up a LF412CN as a  *2nd_order_active_loop_filter* on the VCO input, the response time and dynamic range is excellent, I could see a visible difference over the first order lag loop filter I had tested before.

Here's a quick video of the final prototype up and running,  the scope only shows the complementary push pull outputs of the SG3525.  I am manually changing the Frequency of the SG that the PLL is set up to track.  The dynamic range *capture & lock*  is over 10 kHz in these tests, but it can be expanded by changing values of the resistors on the CD4046BE.  When the PLL reaches it's *capture & lock* limit, the SG3525 push pull output no longer responds to the change in SG frequency input.

https://youtu.be/PE2M8lHR3Eo

Actually for a cheap Chinese pcb, you can't beat the features for the price.  The trick is how to _connect_ it to the PLL.

.................
the note in the photo below is *incorrect*, I should show pin#5 for the *slave* connection and NOT pin #3.
.................

take care, peace
lost_bro

« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 05:22:26 AM by lost_bro »