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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11716004 times)

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15240 on: October 13, 2016, 04:19:13 PM »
 
  Boonk:  Yes, that was an inverter circuit to light a bulb, but not a self runner. And never progressed to become one, either.
  It was replicated by several people, including WoppyJump who made a video of his version of it. And that was all.
  If you look at the brightness of his bulb, compared to a normal grid connected one, (even just a 25w bulb), you'd find that it's no where near the same brightness.

  AG:  You are suggesting others do what you won't do, because it may damage your scope. Nice...  and no I won't do it, either.
So, looks like that's where that idea ends.
  I only saw Stiffler rather weakly lighting smaller led bulbs, that was all. And no I would not suggest anyone do what I would think could burn up a scope. I suggested that Hoppy do his own tests. Same as I suggested to you.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15241 on: October 13, 2016, 04:30:11 PM »
I think we have seen enough of the easy stuff - bulb lighting and cap popping. Lets see a self-runner doing some real work running a motor under load.

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15242 on: October 13, 2016, 04:52:30 PM »
   What we have not seen is what you suggested, using a scope to test the input to output readings, to see if there is more out, than in, or not.  Nor do I feel that will we find that there is more out than in, either. As I still don't believe that an OU reading is a prerequisite for self running.  And once one of us has made a self runner, then, those same tests can be made. Just for the heck of it, if nothing else, or just to see what the reading will show.
  I agree that we've seen enough of these circuits lighting bulbs to some degree, without really being able to self run, still.
But, that is a step in the right direction, which may not be able to be skipped. And is part of the process to get to the goal.

  Roma did show his device running a motor.  That was all it took for him to get into trouble showing that device doing some real work. But, now is not to be heard from, again...  Same as Dally, Andrey, SR193, and several others.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15243 on: October 13, 2016, 04:56:47 PM »
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« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 02:22:33 AM by AlienGrey »

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15244 on: October 13, 2016, 05:18:54 PM »
   What we have not seen is what you suggested, using a scope to test the input to output readings, to see if there is more out, than in, or not.  Nor do I feel that will we find that there is more out than in, either.


I doubt we will ever see this type of serious measurement as it would spill the beans on a claimed self-runner.

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« Reply #15245 on: October 13, 2016, 05:23:07 PM »
  And how long did that buzzing relay work without stopping or going up in smoke?  Will it self run, while showing no amps?
  I am curious, and am not knocking it. But, you think that the output from such a circuit will burn up a scope?  It looks to be barely lighting a neon bulb. Again, the power supply is connected to the grids ground. Not a dead battery showing 11v, and no amps.
 
  Tesla did mention a circuit which provided voltage, but no amps at the output, as well.  So, there may be something to that, as Nelson had shown at one of his videos.  But, it makes me wonder if it the PS was not able to read the draw correctly, same as some amp meters can't either. They are not made for that purpose, nor for reading extreme high frequencies.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15246 on: October 13, 2016, 05:43:58 PM »
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« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 02:23:21 AM by AlienGrey »

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15247 on: October 13, 2016, 05:54:26 PM »
no idea, but a good while, you would have to experiment yourself but if run from a lead acid battery the battery does not appear run down and might even extend the battery life, the relay is an auto type 30 amps it's mechanical so will wear out over time, it's just a lashup I only made it as an experiment and i don't expect the capacitors will survive with that type of pulsing as they are very narrow exceptionally high voltage spikes.

AG

Yes, an HV spiked LA battery will likely de-sulfate to an extent, thus appearing not to run-down as fast as a battery not being subjected to HV spiking (ref Bedini tech). The earth from your soldering iron will provide a lower impedance charging path for the cap, thus more frequent popping.

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« Reply #15248 on: October 13, 2016, 06:09:53 PM »
   Although it may all be water running under the bridge, but, it would be good to know what's up with that.
  The neon bulb does not go out when the cap is shorted. So, if the diodes for the half wave bridge were disconnected along with the cap, the neon would still light?  Or not? 
  To connect a scope, that capacitor needs to be discharged, first.  As even for a 1x probe, the voltage is no where near the maximum. And the negative of the scope probe would possibly kill the effect from HV, like it does on my rig. And is why I don't get the same results if the negative probe of the scope is also connected.

   To know if a battery will not discharge in time, or not, not only the voltage needs to be monitored, but the more important amps, as well. As the voltage can go up, while the amps don't.
   I did try a dead 12v battery to run some circuits some time ago, that showed 10.5v, but which would not run my Pc's battery back up.   I was not able to run my circuits with it. But, now I can't recall all the details.

  From Hoppy: "The earth from your soldering iron will provide a lower impedance charging path for the cap, thus more frequent popping."

   I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip.  Can you tell us why that is?
 
  We've heard how capacitors have the ability to self recharge themselves, once discharged. And, I am seeing that same effect on my device's full bridge rectifier's capacitor, when it is disconnected from a load, but still connected to the induction circuit (that has been turned off). Maybe using bigger capacitor banks can aid in that same process.

   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15249 on: October 13, 2016, 07:09:09 PM »
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« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 02:25:06 AM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15250 on: October 13, 2016, 07:12:06 PM »
   

  From Hoppy: "The earth from your soldering iron will provide a lower impedance charging path for the cap, thus more frequent popping."

   I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip.  Can you tell us why that is
 

Nick,

The cap does go out when he shorts the cap with the earth connected.

With a lower impedance charging path, the cap will charge to a higher level within a given time compared to that with no earth connection. This will enable bigger pops with longer charging time intervals when shorted or smaller pops with shorter charging time intervals. T (time constant) = C (Farads) x R (resistance).

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15251 on: October 13, 2016, 07:41:28 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15252 on: October 13, 2016, 09:02:26 PM »
err ! the cap goes out ? do you mean the neon ?

Yes, of course.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15253 on: October 14, 2016, 04:25:35 AM »

   AG's question remains unanswered.
   reactive "punch" == Reactive Power (Q), (ie; represents the 'unused' energy alternately stored and released by inductors and/or capacitors in an AC circuit).

Is this statement correct in relation to your concept of reactive "punch"?
Question1:is inductive reactance storing energy? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??

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Power in an electric circuit is the rate of flow of energy past a given point of the circuit.
 In alternating current circuits, energy storage elements such as inductors and capacitors may result in periodic reversals of the direction of energy flow.

power going  one way (forward)-active power
power going  reverse direction (backward) reactive power
but do not confuse it with direction change  of AC full wave cycle.

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The portion of power that, averaged over a complete cycle of the AC waveform, results in net transfer of energy in one direction is known as active power (sometimes also called real power). The portion of power due to stored energy, which returns to the source in each cycle, is known as reactive power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power


Definition: The average of all the instantaneous values of an alternating voltage and currents over one complete cycle is called Average Value.  http://circuitglobe.com/what-is-peak-value-average-value-and-rms-value.html#ixzz4N1GHjcZg


answer to the question1:
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In electrical and electronic systems, reactance is the opposition of a circuit element to a change in current or voltage, due to that element's inductance or capacitance. A built-up electric field resists the change of voltage on the element, while a magnetic field resists the change of current.
for inductive reactance energy is stored in magnetic field of a conductor. however polarity of that magnetic field changes two times per full cycle unless you dealing with only one polarity waveform e.g  square wave half A CYCLE.

For the DC we do not have  reactive components such as capacitive reactance and inductive reactance

however it is essential to note  that SQUARE WAVE has significant and dominating DC component !!
It behaves  as AC  with rise edge  the High DC flat top and falling  edge.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-7/square-wave-signals/  ( very interesting link for OU researchers dealing with random spark waveforms)


conclusion:
If we look at maximum  voltage or maximum  amplitude for both  sinusoidal and square or rectangular waveform  we can notice that:
1.-maximum value for square signal in every half of the cycle is DC going in one direction for many time longer that  top value of sinusoidal waveform.
2a -.e.g. for nanosecond generator we need longer time of attracting electrons from the ground wire  with electrostatic potential triggered and controlled by such  generator.
2b. eg we can have steady HV electrostatic potential and we can use  nano or picosecond  generator in such a way that will interrupt electron flow of electrons in the conductor
3. in both of the scenarios  2a and 2b we are dealing with  electron flow inertia between the impulses
4. the advantage of using storage of energy in  square wave form is that  maximum value  from zero to the top flat DC component of  square wave is reached much faster and consistency of that  lasts for longer  time. The only AC components of Square wave are  rising edge and falling edge.
4a. we can chose to  have only positive or negative impulses of squared wave and that gives us effect that could be compared to manual INTERRUPTION OF DC VOLTAGE WITH  SWITCH.
If we could theoretically interrupt DC with frequency of 100kHz at intervals of our comfort than we have control over parameters of the square or rectangular waveform ,as well as control over parameters controlling  electron  flow.
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What are midline, amplitude, and period? ( look at picture below)
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So, In other words,
1- Hit one side of the grounded capacitor with a spike of Reactive Power (Q).
2- and since a reactive circuit returns as much power to the supply as it consumes, (because the same amount of energy is recycled alternately from source to the load and from load to source).
3- the resulting average power consumed by the circuit is zero.
4- meanwhile (back at the ranch) the capacitor is being filled by *ambient* electrons.

   I'm also curious as the unipolar DC output from a Tesla coil, or Kacher circuit. As that is what Tesla mentioned suggesting that only this unipolar type of DC (plasma jet like one way un-interupted pulses should be used), and not an AC pulse, as the interupter pulser's output.   So, how do we make these types of unipolar pulse using a Kacher circuit?
 
I have problem with this part:
When you consume something than that what you consume represent energy that can not be applied back without energy conversion to the same food you consumed.
Energy can not be created nor destroyed  it only changes  its form.
By that all of the losses represents energy conversion that IS SUBTRACTED  from energy that still could be reversed back in the circuit.
factors of energy lost by heat, resistance and so on.- can not be re-utilized immediately in reactive response of the circuit



Wesley

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« Reply #15254 on: October 14, 2016, 05:05:16 AM »
  The part that you didn't include is where and how the "extra energy" comes into and out of the circuit.
  Any clues???

   I have a guess, that the capacitor has something to do with it.  No capacitor,  no extra energy?
   What do you all think?