Guys, what is your opinion on this? Seems that when thyristor conducts, output capacitor shortcuts itself. And right after, charges again though load and ground!

It seems like we create a sub-pressure for sucking charges out of the environment. Do you think that it would be more efficient if the below leg of output capacitor would be connected straight to ground instead of in between thyristor and load? 

In RomaDivice seems no tyristor.  So maybe that schematic is not Roma divice schematic? And how he run 50 herc motor? And from were going control tyristor?

Tesla used a 1/4 wave inner coil and a half wave outer coil or you can use full wave

Hi AG
We see in many designs this self oscillating loops inside the main coil cores. Usually they are freely oscillating tank circuits tuned to the low KHz power signals. Their job is to act as a spring for the output coil, the moments in which primary shuts down. This way the inductive output kick becomes higher. A well designed system can work without them. But if you use this trick output becomes higher indeed.

Hi Menof.
Thanks for the info. I thought that this design was Roma's. Anyway. A spark gap in place of the thyristor will act the same i guess.

increasingly difficult to verify what is true and what is not! Alekseev It does not have a working device is rigged!
... what do you think? T1000

If you stick to the sources of people who actually had OU devices the information will be clear. Won't trust any third party circuits in that case as they are leading nowhere.

Also I noticed people are getting confused about wire lengths on grenade. In short, the grenade first layer wire length divided by 2 is the half-wave. The opposite layers on one of the half need to match same wavelength but there are 2 issues where everyone have to deal with: the increasing number of layers require larger wire length and the other half of grenade under inductor plus earth ground extension also change the actual wave lengths.
To have standing wave between opposing layers I simply take wire length of the first layer and roughly calculate that wire length as full wave length. The goal is to have standing wave node on "hot" grenade end and anti-node on "cold" end leading to the ground. If you struggle on those terms understanding here is good read about it - http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/waves/Lesson-4/Nodes-and-Anti-nodes

Cheers!

Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.

F.Y.I.

See Note below for generalized Theory of Operation!

Re: Ruslan post as referenced above.

Отправлено 11 марта 2016 - 04:34 - "Original text in Russian"
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{Each section of original Ruslan text, in Russian, was translated using three computer based translators; Google, Microsoft and Translator, as found below.}

Доброе время суток. Может тут мы найдём общий язык. Сразу скажу, что на форумах сильно не сижу.

  Good time of day. Maybe then we will find a common language. I must say that the forums do not sit much. 
  Good time of day. Can we find a common language. I must say that on the forums do not sit. 
  Kind time of day. Can here we shall find common language. At once I shall tell, that at forums strongly I do not sit.
 
Однако сейчас в 5-й раз собираю Акулину установку для увеличения мощности. Есть идеи.... А по сути народ ищет немного всё не то.  Все эти системы работают на основе  стоячих и бегущих волн.
 
  But now the 5th time collecting Akulina plant to increase capacity. Any ideas .... And in fact all the people looking for a little wrong. All of these systems work on the basis of standing and traveling waves. 
  But now, in the 5-th time I collect Akulinu installation to increase power. Have any ideas .... As a matter of fact the people looking for a little bit of everything.  All these systems operate on the basis of standing and traveling waves. 
  However now in 5-th time I collect Акулину installation for an increase of capacity. There are ideas.... And as a matter of fact people looks for a little all not that. All these systems work on the basis of standing and running waves.
 
Нужно сперва поймать движение частиц в катушке. Т.е. как Капанадзе и делает с помощью тестера или амперметра. Только при ВЧ частотах никакой амперметр не поможет и ловить нужно будет осциллографом.

  It is necessary first to catch the movement of particles in the coil. Those. Kapanadze and how does using a tester or ammeter. Only when no RF frequencies ammeter will not help and will need to catch the oscilloscope. 
  You must first catch the movement of particles in the coil. I.e. how Kapanadze and makes using a tester or ammeter. Only when the HF frequencies no ammeter does not help and the catch will need an oscilloscope.   
It is necessary to catch at first movement of particles in the coil. I.e. as Капанадзе also does by means of a tester or the ammeter. Only at ВЧ frequencies no ammeter will help and to catch it will be necessary an oscillograph. 

 Первое правило :  Намотать катушку 40 метров . 2. Узнать её резонансную частоту (1/4 волны) Индуктор 1/4 = 10 метров того же провода (например 2,5мм )  Подключаем генератор к 10 метрам катушке , загоняем прямоугольники на частоте от 1 МГц и ползём выше , пока на 40 метрах не появиться синусоида. Максимальная амплитуда. Генератор желательно брать нормальный , лабораторный ! С регулировкой выхода от 0 до 20 вольт . Добиваемся максимальной амплитуды и двигаем десятые доли килогерц пока не начнёт синус плясать. Это ваш волновой резонанс !!! 

  The first rule: Wind the bobbin 40 meters. 2. Check its resonant frequency (1/4 wave) Inductor 1/4 = 10 meters of the same wire (eg 2.5mm) Connect the generator to the 10 meter coil, drive boxes at a frequency of 1 MHz and above polzёm until 40 meters not appear sinusoid. The maximum amplitude. The generator is desirable to take normal laboratory! With adjustable output from 0 to 20 volts. To achieve the maximum amplitude and move a few tenths of kHz sine is not begin to dance. This is your wave resonance !!! 
  The first rule: Reel spool 40 meters. 2. Know the resonant frequency (1\/4 wavelength) Inductor 1\/4 = 10 meters the same wires (e.g. 2, 5 mm) connect the generator to the 10 m coil pushes the rectangles on the frequency of 1 Mhz and polzëm above, while on 40 metres did not appear a sinusoid. Maximum amplitude. Generator preferably take normal laboratory! Adjustable output from 0 to 20 volts. Achieve maximum amplitudes and move tens of kilohertz until start sine dance. This is your wave resonance! 
    The first rule: To reel up the coil of 40 meters. 2. To learn its resonant frequency (1/4 waves) Индуктор 1/4 = 10 meters of the same wire (for example 2,5мм) we Connect the generator to 10 meters to the coil, we exhaust rectangles on frequency from 1 MHz and we creep above while on 40 meters to not appear a sinusoid. The maximal amplitude. The generator is desirable for taking normal, laboratory! With adjustment of an output from 0 up to 20 volt. We achieve the maximal amplitude and it is moved the tenth fractions килогерц yet will not start a sine to dance. It is your wave resonance!!! 
 
Фиксируем частоту и напряжение. Именно под это всё придётся делать генераторы. Далее ... Теслу мотаем под эту частоту что получился эффект. Затем всё делаем как я делал или Акула. В данном случаи все хотят повторить этот девайс. Вперёд !  Закрепляем всё красиво и жёстко , не забывая что резонанс и эффект может удрать в случаи креплений на соплях. Нам надо получить сам эффект и работу,а не готовый девайс. Как только вы начнёте понимать что далее делать , сами уже сможете двигать.

  We fix frequency and voltage. It is from this all have to do the generators. More ... Tesla shakes at this frequency that get the effect. Then we do everything as I did, or Shark. In this case, they all want to repeat this device. Next! Fix the all nice and hard, do not forget that the resonance effect can escape is mounted on the nozzle. We need to get the very effect and work, rather than the finished device. Once you begin to understand that further make themselves longer able to move. 
  Fix frequency and voltage. It was under this all have to do generators. Next ... Tesla is rushed into this frequency that turned out effect. Then do everything like I did or Shark. In this case all want to redo this device. Forward!  Fasten all nice and hard, not forgetting that the resonance and effect can get away in case of anchorages on the \"snot\" one. We need to get myself the effect and work, and not a finished device. Once you start to understand that continue to make themselves can move. 
  We locate frequency and a pressure. Under this all will have to do generators. Further... Теслу it is wound under this frequency that the effect has turned out. Then all it is done as I did or the Shark. In data cases everyone wish to repeat this device. Forward! We Fix all beautifully and rigidly, not forgetting that the resonance and effect can get away in cases of fastenings on соплях. We should receive effect and work, instead of a ready device. As soon as you will start to understand what further to do, can already move.
 
 Так вот.... Тесла , как мы знаем , тоже мочит синусоиду. Допустим ваша частота получилась 1,821МГц . Херовая частота ,но увы. Придётся настроить Теслу именно на неё. Акула применял фиритик между Теслой и тороидом(Антенна) над индуктором. Это как раз точная подстройка.

  So .... Tesla, as we know, is also a sine wave wets. Say your frequency turned 1,821MGts. Crappy rate, but alas. We'll have to adjust the Tesla is on it. Shark applied firitik between Tesla and toroid (antenna) above the inductor. It's just fine tuning. 
  So here's ... Tesla, as we know too wets sinusoids. Let's say your frequency turned out to be 1, 821MGc. Herovaâ frequency, but alas. Will have to configure the Tesla is exactly on it. Shark firitik applied between Like and toroidom (antenna) above the inducer. This is just fine tuning. 
  And so.... Тесла as we know, too wets a sinusoid. We shall admit your frequency frequency, but alas has turned out 1,821МГц. Херовая. Will have to adjust Теслу on it. A shark applied фиритик between Теслой and a toroid (Aerial) above индуктором. It just precise fine tuning.
 
 Она нужна перед запуском. Потом система держит и не важно куда что сползло в не больших пределах. Но !  Опять же ... Что куда ?   На Индуктор мы подаём сигнал прямоугольников с частотой 1/50 . Считаем : 1820 : 50 = 36,4 кГц накачка прямоугольником через развязку (Горшок) с 23-29 витков провода 2,5 квадрата. Повторюсь , нужно сделать напряжение на эту гармонику не 10-20 вольт , а выше на порядок. Примерно до 50-60 вольт и получить такой же пляшущий эффект на выходе.

  It is needed before starting. Then the system keeps no matter where that is not slipped in a large range. But! Again ... what where? We submit inductor at frequency signal rectangles 1/50. We believe: 1820: 50 = 36.4 kHz pumped rectangle via interchange (pot) with 23-29 turns of 2.5 square. Again, it is necessary to make the voltage on the not harmonic 10-20 volts and higher order. Approximately 50-60 volts and have the same effect on the output of dancing. 
  You need it before you start. Then the system keeps and no matter where that spolzlo in not big. But!  Again ... What where?   The Inductor we served a signal with a frequency of rectangles 1\/50. Consider: 1820:50 = 36.4 kHz pumping rectangle through unbundling (Pot) with 23-29 turns of wire 2.5 square. Again, do this voltage harmonics is not 10-20 volts and above. To about 50-60 Volt and get the same effect of dancing on the output. 
  It is necessary before start. Then the system holds and it is not important where that has slipped in not greater limits. But! Besides... What where? On
Индуктор we give a signal of rectangles with frequency 1/50. We consider: 1820 : 50 = 36,4 кГц накачка a rectangle through an outcome (Pot) from 23-29 coils of a wire 2,5 squares. I shall repeat, it is necessary to make a pressure on this harmonic not 10-20 volt, and above on the order. About up to 50-60 volt and to receive the same dancing effect on an output. 

 Далее !  Не забывайте что Тесла не нуждается в сильной мощности. Не надо искры пускать и мочить так чтобы пробивало. Это не к чему !!! Лучше сделать управляемую Теслу. Продолжаем : На выходе появиться напряжение 195-200 вольт . Это напряжение выше не будет. Почему ? Позднее вернёмся к этому. Нужно намотать так трансформатор - реактор (Катушку) чтобы получить нужное напряжение. Это требует экспериментов. Помните что мы толкаем ток в реакторе с помощью поперечной волны. Создаваемой Теслой. В катушке образуется другая  волна под воздействием накачки прямоугольниками. Частицы которой постоянно вращаются влево и вправо. Придавая им движение пульсирующей Теслы , мы разгоняем их в самом проводнике. Это гемморойное понимание , но факт.  Тесла должна срабатывать в одном полупериоде или с одного плеча транзистора .

  Further ! Remember that Tesla does not need a strong power. Do not let the sparkle and wet so that the punched. This is not necessary !!! Better to do a controlled Tesla. Continue: The output voltage of 195-200 volts occur. This voltage is not higher. Why? Later we shall return to this. It should be so wound transformer - reactor (coil) to obtain the desired voltage. This requires experimentation. Note that we are pushing the current in the reactor by the transverse wave. Create Tesla. The coil is formed under the influence of another wave of rectangles pump. The particles which constantly rotate left and right. Giving them a pulsating movement of Tesla, we overclock them to the conductor. It gemmoroynoe understanding, but true. Tesla has to operate in one half cycle or one arm of the transistor. 
  Next!  Don't forget that Tesla needs no strong power. No need to let the sparks and watering so that evolved. This is not what! Better to make Tesla is managed. Keep: on output voltage-195 appear 200 volts. This voltage is above would not. Why? Later we will return to this. Need a reel so transformer-reactor (Coil) to get the desired tension. This requires experimentation. Remember that we are pushing the current reactor using transverse wave. Created By Tesla. In the coil produces another wave under the influence of pumping rectangles. Particles that constantly rotate left and right. Giving them a pulsating movement Tesla, we are with them in the Windows Explorer. This gemmorojnoe understanding, but it is a fact.  Tesla must operate in one poluperiode or one shoulder of the transistor. 
  Further! Do not forget that Тесла does not require strong capacity. It is not necessary to start up and wet sparks so that broke through. It there is nothing!!! It is better to make operated Теслу. We continue: On an output to appear the pressure of 195-200 volt. This pressure above will not be. Why? Later we shall return to it. It is necessary to reel up so the transformer - a reactor (Coil) to receive the necessary pressure. It requires experiments. Remember that we push a current in a reactor by means of a cross-section wave. Created Теслой. In the coil other wave under influence накачки rectangles is formed. Which particles constantly rotate to the left and to the right. Giving to them movement pulsing Теслы, we disperse them in the conductor. It гемморойное understanding, but the fact. Тесла should work in one half-cycle or from one shoulder of the transistor. 

 Желательно Управление Теслы осуществлять пачка - импульсным генератором. Когда всё чётко настроите , увидите как проявляется эффект при изменении ширины пачки. Потребление Теслой мизерное , а накачка вообще не напрягается. Ток на выходе до 7 ампер и напряжение 200-209 вольт . Лампочки и БП импульсный хорошо работают.

  It is advisable to carry a pack of Tesla Management - pulse generator. When everything is set up clearly, to see how the effect appears when you change the width of the pack. Tesla consumption is negligible and does not pump strains. Output current up to 7 amps and voltage of 200-209 volts. Light bulbs and switching power supply work well. 
  It is desirable to Control Tesla implement Tutu-pulse generator. When everything is neatly set up, see how does the effect when you change the width of the bundle. Like little consumption and no strained pumping. Output current up to 7 Amps and voltage 200-209 volts. Light bulbs and switching PSU work well. 
  It is desirable to carry out Management Теслы a pack - the pulse generator. When all neatly will adjust, will see as the effect is shown at variation of width of a pack. Consumption Теслой scanty, and накачка does not strain at all. A current on an output up to 7 amperes and a pressure of 200-209 volt. Bulbs and БП pulse well work. 

 Теперь по съёму : 1. Катушка подключается через мост диодный. Никаких конденсаторов параллельных !!!  2. Вам нужно от теслы только одну полу волну. Иначе Тесла будет забирать то что дала , обратно !!! Поэтому и ставиться диод от заземления на саму катушку съёма (40м)  Акула это делал на приёме. Он убирал одну часть синусы на самом приёме. Потому Тесла. Никто этого не знает и -бип-тся по сей день , нихрена не работает. Оно и ясно !

  Now, sёmu: 1. The coil is connected via a diode bridge. No parallel capacitors !!! 2. You need to Tesla by only one wave of the floor. Otherwise, Tesla will take what is given back !!! Therefore, put a diode from ground to coil itself removal rate (40 m) shark had done at the reception. He removes one of the sinuses at the reception. Because Tesla. Nobody knows -bip-tsya to this day, nichrome not work. And it is clear! 
  The pick-up artist now: 1. Coil is connected through bridge diode. No parallel capacitors!  2. you need from only one floor of Tesla. Otherwise, the Tesla will collect that gave back! Therefore be a diode from grounding the coil removal (40 m) Shark did it at reception. He cleaned the one part of the sinuses at the reception. Because Tesla. Nobody knows-BIP-are vital to this day does not work. It clearly! 
  Now on съёму: 1. The coil is connected through the bridge диодный. Any condensers parallel!!! 2. To you it is necessary from теслы only for one floor a wave. Otherwise Тесла will take away that that has given, back!!! Therefore and to be put the diode from grounding on the coil съёма (40м) the Shark it did on reception. It cleaned one part sine on the reception. Therefore Тесла. Anybody does not know it and-бип-Ô to this day, нихрена does not work. It and is clear! 

  Вам нужно раскачать качели в катушке съёма энергии. Именно там толкаем мы ток. Кстати , излишки от теслы и настройку частоты Акула использовал простую лампочку. Поскольку Индуктор гальванически отвязан от всей схемы , то лампочка служила резистивной нагрузкой гашения излишков от теслы и наводок.

  You need to shake the swing power in the coil material removal. It was there that we push the current. By the way, the excess of the Tesla and Shark tuning frequency using a simple light bulb. Since the inductor galvanically isolated from the whole circuit, the light bulb has served resistive load quenching excess of Tesla and pickups. 
  You need to shake a swing in the coil energy removal. It was there pushing we talk. By the way, the surplus from Tesla and tune the frequency Shark used a simple light bulb. Because the inductor galvanically certificate is unbound from the entire circuit, the light bulb has served as a resistive load, clearing surplus from Tesla and inductive coupling. 
  You need to shake a swing in the coil съёма energy. We there push a current. By the way, surpluses from теслы and adjustment of frequency the Shark used a simple bulb. As Индуктор it is galvanically untied from the diagram the bulb served a resistive load of clearing of surpluses from теслы and наводок. 

 Можете не ставить ,но не качайте Теслу сильно . Не надо !  Помните что ток подчиняется напряжению. Это я вижу из экспериментов что проводил ещё 2 года назад.  Далее : Диод на приёмной катушке съёма уничтожает один полупериод и таким образом мы раскачиваем колебания не тормозя их отрицательным периодом Теслы . Этого тоже многие не знают и продолжают лепить. Вот почему Роман (Акула) говорит про то что жрёт заземление... Всё правильно !

  You can not set, but do not swing much Tesla. Do not ! Remember that the current is subject to stress. I can see from the experiments that spent 2 more years ago. Next: The diode on the receiving coil material removal destroys one half cycle and thus we do not rock the oscillation inhibiting their negative period of Tesla. That too many people do not know and continue to mold. That is why the Roman (Shark) is talking about something that eats ground ... That's right! 
  Can not put, but not download Tesla is strong. Do not!  Remember that talk is accountable. I see from the experiments that held even 2 years ago.  Next: Diode on reception coil removal destroys one half and so we as rocking vibrations not slowing their negative period of Tesla. That too many people do not know and continue to sculpt. That's why Roman (Shark) said about the fact that žrët grounding ... All right! 
  Can not put, but do not swing Теслу strongly. It is not necessary! Remember that the current submits to a pressure. I see it from experiments that spent 2 more years back. Further: the diode on the reception coil съёма destroys one half-cycle and thus we shake fluctuations not braking their negative period Теслы. Too many do not know it and continue to mould. That is why the Novel (Shark) speaks about that that guzzles grounding... All is proper! 

 Потому что он убивает импульс пол периода  на приёме , который заземлён. Это видно на всех его установках !  Я долго гадал почему он это решение применил и понял что так легче подобрать ВВ диоды. Так как вмешательство на таких частотах в Теслу приведёт  к её не правильной работе. Другими словами срезать полупериод не получится.

  Because it kills the momentum of the floor at the reception period, which is grounded. This can be seen in all its facilities! I have long wondered why he decided to apply and understand that it is easier to pick up explosives diodes. Since the interference at these frequencies in Tesla will cause it not to work properly. In other words, cut the half-life does not turn out. 
  Because it kills the momentum Paul period reception, which grounded. This can be seen in all its installations!  I have long wondered why he applied this solution and realized that it's easier to pick up a BB diodes. Because intervention at such frequencies in Tesla is will not work correctly. In other words, cut half fail. 
  Because it kills an impulse a floor of the period on reception which is earthed. It is visible on its all installations! I long guessed why it has applied this decision and has understood that so easier to pick up ВВ diodes. As intervention on such frequencies in Теслу will lead it not to proper work. In other words to cut off a half-cycle it will not turn out. 

Капа этот вопрос решал разрядником и выпрямителями на НЧ частотах. Там всё проще,но проводов больше.... Так вот на немецкой установке диодик маленький , Тесла далеко , кабель заземления длинный . Кстати равен длине Теслы !!!

  Capa this issue solved arrester and rectifier on the low frequencies. Everything is easier, but spend more .... So on German installation diodik small Tesla far, a long grounding cable. By the way is the length of Tesla !!! 
  CAPA this question solved and the rectifiers suppressor BASS frequencies. Everything is easier, but the wires anymore .... So here's the German installation diodik little, Tesla far earth cable is long. By the way is the length of the Tesla! 
  Капа this question solved an arrester and rectifiers on LF frequencies. There all is easier, but it is more than wires.... And so on German installation диодик small, Тесла it is distant, a cable of grounding long. It is by the way equal to length Теслы!!! 

 Не забываем про заземление.... На этой установке оно главное и без хорошей опоры(заземления) работать НЕ БУДЕТ .  Не забываем что в системах используется высокое напряжение. Как мы знаем ,оно перемещается даже в воздухе. Именно поэтому заземление необходимо. Плюс волновой резонанс и безопасность.... Как то так .....

  Do not forget about the ground .... At this setting, it is important, and without a good support (ground) will not work. Do not forget that a high voltage is used in the systems. As we know, it is moved even in the air. That is why the ground is necessary. Plus wave resonance and safety .... Something like this ..... 
  Do not forget about grounding ... At this setting, it is important and without good support (grounding) will not work.  Do not forget that the systems use high voltage. How do we know it moves even in the air. That is why the ground is required. Plus wave resonance and security. ... Like so ... 
  It is not forgotten about grounding.... On this installation it the main thing and without a good pillar (grounding) WILL not work. It is not forgotten that in systems the high pressure is used. As we know, it moves even in air. For this reason grounding is necessary. Plus a wave resonance and a security.... As that so..... 

NOTE: Theorized to date - Generated high voltage [TT/Bovin] draws electrons from the earth through a helical air primary coil (electrophoritic action) [sometimes refered to as the Antenna]. A helical air secondary coil (magnetic) [grenade] wound bi-filar (or tri-filar) to avoid back-emf losses, secondary coil "captures" the electron (current) movement [amount of electrons involved is not restricted by resistance/impedance]. The faster the movement the greater the "energy" - velocity modulation (kinetic - acceleration) [steep rise time and higher voltage - dv/dt]. The more times this occurs (HF) the greater the available "energy." Overall, the less circuit losses => more "energy." Resonance = circuit oscillations [ringing {SWR - Traveling Waves} => more "energy." Timing can also avoid/eliminate back-emf (B-EMF) internal circuit losses. System is NOT closed loop therefore over (or under) unity is possible (closed loop = 0 "energy;" Newtons 3rd law).

See: Tesla/Smith grounded rectangular plate HV experiment in support of the above theory! Also; Tesla transformer "spark" apparatus; and Lightning!

FIN

  So, previously it was the grenade coil 37.5m, and the grenade inductor coil 18.75m.  So, the relation was 1/2, not 1/4.
Now it's 40m for the grenade, and inductor is 10m.  Very different.
   Even with the translation, it's still all Greek to me.

 

What ? 37.5 and 40 m are both wave-lengths that are related to the device you have built.

you know what a wave is and a 1/2 wave and a 1/4 wave is, well this device is a mix of all that, how many 1/4 waves in a wave, now a 1/2 and a 1/4 add them up and work it out from that. easy   

  In any case, it looks like Ruslan has an improved output on his last self-runner, by using the 40m to 10m grenade coils ratio.
  37.5m or 40m may not really be that important, but, the ratio 4 to 1, may be.  Who knows...
 

well it is, as it's the 'wavelength', (we did this in school). back in the stone age.

  AlienGrey:
  It's not what you learned about in school.  As each self runner is running at a different frequency.
  No two self runner are working at the SAME frequency, yet they all work,  (IF true).
  I think that it's the relation of the two frequencies that's important, as there doesn't seam to be single magic frequency to tune to.
  I suppose that what is being called "dancing", means vibrating, at the right frequency match.
  Even on Poma's simple kacher circuit device, there are two frequencies, "dancing".  And that's the rub.