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Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12765 on: March 16, 2016, 02:23:18 AM »
This guy Justawatt reminds me a lot of the former user here Enjoykin. :)
I think Enjoykin may have come back to haunt us... The last I saw of Enjoykin here he was ranting and raving about
all kinds of things. ;) Enjoykin, is that you? Be honest man... Why the new user name? ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12766 on: March 16, 2016, 02:38:55 AM »
Here are 2 more videos of this guy:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3MWZcYwMLYobE85TWhGdWNuTnM/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3MWZcYwMLYoMUEzSUR5cFdzanM/view?usp=sharing


Hi hartiberlin . Thanks. I had seen those and watched them as well.
As best as I can tell from the blurry video, (the first one), this guy was lighting that incandescent light bulb
quite brightly on the shovel while apparently only drawing about 1.65 watts from his bench
power supply (unless I got that wrong). If he was powering his circuit with only about 1.65 Watts,
that is no easy feat to accomplish. :)


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12767 on: March 16, 2016, 03:17:12 AM »
  Sounds like something too good to be true with Justawatt's diagram.  2 watt input, and 2000w output, from a simple kacher circuit.  Sweet, if it only worked.  Like Hoppy I would have to assume that it probably does not work as is being shown.

  Void, you had asked him for some more information, and he posted a link to another forum, where they were discussing that device, I think. And  there I saw some schematics, possibly of that same type of circuit. But, I don't understand what they are saying.   So, check on it, if interested. 
  There may be something to this... So simple you'll laugh.

  PS.  About lighting of the bulb on the shovel blade, it may be that the juice has to go through a florescent tube, first, then to the shovel and bulb, and also to some type of ground, or virtual ground. Without the florescent bulb, the incandescent may not light.
As that florescent bulb is not connected there in that way just for looks.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12768 on: March 16, 2016, 03:31:52 AM »
  Void, you had asked him for some more information, and he posted a link to another forum, where they were discussing that device, I think. And  there I saw some schematics, possibly of that same type of circuit. But, I don't understand what they are saying.   So, check on it, if interested. 
  There may be something to this... So simple you'll laugh.

Hi Nick. It is a possibility that the device is real, but as I  mentioned previously there is really no
way to say for certain either way unless the device can be fully inspected close up in person.
There are just too many frauds out there to not be cautious about each new free energy device
claim that comes out. :)

P.S. I didn't see a link posted to a forum, although I found a forum with only a few posts in it
where some people had posted some schematics based on their guesses of how things might be
connected. Do you have a link to the forum you are talking about?


PS.  About lighting of the bulb on the shovel blade, notice that the juice has to go through a florescent tube, first, then to the shovel and bulb, and also to some type of ground, or virtual ground. Without the florescent bulb, the incandescent may not light.
As that florescent bulb is not connected there in that way just for looks.

I didn't recognize a fluorescent bulb, but whatever that tube is that is hanging down vertically
towards the floor from the end of the tesla coil, it either has another coil on it, or it has copper foil
on it to act as a type of top load. The video is too blurry for me to tell. :) In another video of this guy,
you can see a lot of corona coming off the end of that vertical tube at the end closest to the floor, so
the voltage on the tesla coil must be pretty high. A lot higher voltage than the voltage on the little tesla coil I tested with.



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12769 on: March 16, 2016, 03:54:08 AM »
  Probably won't happen until one of us here hits on it, and shows us all how it's really done.
However, the idea that that device does not need to have a magnetic current circuit, along with the HV (Kacher) circuit, is of interest. At lease to me.  As I love simple circuits... that work.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12770 on: March 16, 2016, 04:43:36 AM »
The lighting up of the bulb at the shovel reminds me of the capacitive transformer
effects of the Testatika principle that these guys here have shown.

http://www.hcrs.at/KAPTRAFO.HTM

There they also convert the HV RF currents to low voltage high current via such a metallic plate
around the coils.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12771 on: March 16, 2016, 06:33:27 AM »
The lighting up of the bulb at the shovel reminds me of the capacitive transformer
effects of the Testatika principle that these guys here have shown.
http://www.hcrs.at/KAPTRAFO.HTM
There they also convert the HV RF currents to low voltage high current via such a metallic plate
around the coils.
Regards, Stefan.


Hi Stefan. Yes, it is similar in the way that they are using a capacitive plate to pick up
the HV field from the tesla coil, and use this to power the bulb. The difference is that
the Russian guy only seemed to be drawing very low power from his power supply,
but at the webpage you provided they were powering the tesla coil with 40 watts, I believe.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12772 on: March 16, 2016, 06:59:31 AM »
  Probably won't happen until one of us here hits on it, and shows us all how it's really done.

It is less likely someone will step forward and serve us on dish all good stuff ready to swallow.
So, you must prepare you self for a long wait for this. And if someone will do such a thing it will be hard to tell if that info is of real value or not after such large amount of giberish and mistrust.

However, the idea that that device does not need to have a magnetic current circuit, along with the HV (Kacher) circuit, is of interest. At lease to me.  As I love simple circuits... that work.

What device do you refer to ?

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12773 on: March 16, 2016, 07:07:33 AM »
Nick, you had asked me to try lighting some incandescent bulbs with one side connected
to earth ground with a kacher driver. I am using a different tesla coil secondary in this test.
It is a shorter secondary wire, so the tesla coil secondary voltage is lower than in the first tests
I did. This tesla coil with an aluminum plate top load is running at around 1.6 MHz.

I have a 4 Watt light bulb connected between the kacher circuit chassis ground and earth ground.
I am using batteries to power the kacher circuit, and I don't have any scope probes attached to the
circuit to make certain there are no ground loops.

In the first test the kacher was powered with a 12V SLA battery (around 12.5V under load) and was drawing about 0.3 A.
Kacher power consumption was around 3.75 Watts.
The 4 Watt light bulb was only lighting a little bit.

In the second test the kacher was powered with two 12V SLA batteries in series and was drawing about 0.5 A.
Kacher power consumption was around 12.5 Watts.
The 4 Watt light bulb was lighting fairly brightly.

This confirms that a low power tesla coil will light an incandescent  bulb with one side of the bulb to earth ground,
but even to just light a 4 Watt incandescent bulb fairly brightly to earth ground I had to crank up the kacher
input power to 12.5 Watts. This should provide you with a bit of a reference point to compare to
if you plan to experiment more with this sort of setup.

P.S.  I tried a bit different configuration and found that when one side of the 4 W bulb is capacitively coupled
to the HV end of the tesla coil, I could get the 4 W bulb to light with the other side of the bulb only connected
to a short aligator clip lead. Just the short aligator clip lead (the green lead in the third picture) is enough
to cause enough 'displacement current' in the bulb to make it light up. Kacher was powered at 24 volts.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12774 on: March 16, 2016, 12:10:07 PM »
I made my cables shorter, i added a coax cable for gate signals and things became better.
As you can see the layout matter a lot.

The waveform might be satisfactory to you now, but it still is not to me.
Do you have the MOSFET drivers glued to the MOSFETs yet ?

Please post a scopeshot of the power supply rails at the MOSFET driver's supply pins, while your scope channel is set to an AC coupling mode.  ...below 1V/div vertical scale.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12775 on: March 16, 2016, 03:09:46 PM »
  Void:
  So, you can imagine how hard it would normally be to power up 2000w,  even if using a higher powered Kacher circuit, with an input of 100w, or so. 
  You can also see for yourself how inefficient the Kacher circuit is for lighting up incandescent bulbs. 33%, or so?
  However, that video is NOT showing a high powered Kacher, but a very simple one instead.  So... what's up with that?
 
  And, there's NO magnetic current circuit, PLL, PWM, or clamp circuit, to have to mix the HV with. So, it has to be much more than just a simple Kacher circuit. 
  Worth pursuing... if it's for real.

   This is all my Kacher can light while running on 24v from my PS, at the 168t coil, when not connected to the yoke.
   Notice that one end of the bulb's wire is NOT going anywhere, other than just the grounding effect of my hand on the bulb.
Even when not touching any metal on the bulb(s).  Could that be the capacitor "effect"?  Or not?
    Picture below.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12776 on: March 16, 2016, 04:32:37 PM »
Hi Nick. The videos where the guy is supposedly getting a few kW's out while only using
a kacher circuit with a 12V battery would certainly seem to be no easy result to achieve. :)
That doesn't mean it is necessarily fake, and I suppose it is no more unlikely than what Kapanadze or
Akula has shown. At this point, we just don't know what the rules would be for OU to occur.
It probably wouldn't be any worse trying to replicate that kind of setup than it is to try to replicate
based on things Ruslan has shown and said. :) There may be a few more unknowns with that setup
than the Akula/Ruslan circuits however.

Yes, if you can light a bulb somewhat when holding the bulb glass in your hand while one side
of the bulb is not connected, then it seems you must be providing some sort of current path to the bulb capacitively.
The guy who made the shovel video showed in another video that he could partially light a small incandescent bulb
by holding the glass in his hand and only connecting the center connector on the bulb to the end of a tesla coil.
When he tried to touch the screw connector on the bulb with his hand, the bulb wouldn't light in that case.
This is the video:
http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3MWZcYwMLYoMUEzSUR5cFdzanM/view?pref=2&pli=1

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12777 on: March 16, 2016, 05:19:12 PM »
As you can see the layout matter a lot.

The waveform might be satisfactory to you now, but it still is not to me.
Do you have the MOSFET drivers glued to the MOSFETs yet ?

Please post a scopeshot of the power supply rails at the MOSFET driver's supply pins, while your scope channel is set to an AC coupling mode.  ...below 1V/div vertical scale.

Hi Verpies.
I already made this specific board with an IR2110 driver which I can not move. But next board will be with two separate drivers connected right on the mosfets pins as Itsu's ones.

I took the shot that you asked over pin3 of IR2110. I have a ceramic cap over there of 100nF. In addition, after regulator I have connected a 4 Ohm resistance in series and then a 33uF electrolytic in parallel as a low pass filter. As it is in Akula's push pull circuit.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12778 on: March 16, 2016, 07:04:46 PM »
Yes, if you can light a bulb somewhat when holding the bulb glass in your hand while one side
of the bulb is not connected, then it seems you must be providing some sort of current path to the bulb capacitively.

And there lies the missing piece of information.  We do not fully understand or appreciate the capacitive
element of the Ruslan, Sergey, Akula, Dally, etc  circuits.  Maybe the type of insulation on the wire
is important, or how tightly/loosely the coils are wrapped.

I highly recommend (unless you already have a self runner), replicating what Woopy demonstrates here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94yCfy8z4lc

Then replace the split rolled copper with various coils arrangements.  It is fairly easy to do and will
provide a means to better understand the capacitive side of these devices.  Take measurements;
look at the waveforms, but be careful not to blow up your scopes.  You might even discover a way
to significantly increase output beyond what the rolled copper plate produces.  That would be a
huge step in the right direction.  Try different things, bucking coils, mini grenade coils, heavy
insulated and straight magnet wire.

You may also want to determine the running frequency of the Kacher driver and replace it with
a signal generator to see what effect the changing capacitance has.

I'm pretty convinced as I mentioned recently what these devices must be doing, but I'm a long
way away from understanding how it does what it does.  Experimenting may be the only means
to shore-in this understanding.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12779 on: March 16, 2016, 08:27:04 PM »
I highly recommend (unless you already have a self runner), replicating what Woopy demonstrates here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94yCfy8z4lc

Hi Dog-one. Thanks. I had already seen that video a couple of years ago or so.
I don't think what Woopy is showing there is really any much different than what I
was doing in my recent tests, except Woopy's kacher arrangement was drawing a
fair bit more input power. I think it is the same types of effects at a bit higher power
consumption level. I therefore doubt there is any OU there. Even though adding a bulb
to draw off some of the power may not increase the kacher circuit input current substantially,
I think the bulb is also drawing some of the power from the kacher/tesla coil that is normally just wasted,
so just the increase in current draw when the bulb is connected is probably misleading. I am basing
that on lots of tests I have done in the past.

I'm pretty convinced as I mentioned recently what these devices must be doing, but I'm a long
way away from understanding how it does what it does.  Experimenting may be the only means
to shore-in this understanding.


I have a few ideas about it as well, but I would say lots and lots of experimenting is probably the only
real means of ever getting to some real understanding (if we assume at least some of these various OU devices
are not fakes). Thinking about the theoretical side too much may just end up leading a person further
and further down into the cabbage patch. :D

P.S. What interested me about the light bulb/shovel video was not that he was lighting the bulb on the
shovel blade, but that he was lighting the bulb quite brightly while apparently only drawing less than a couple
of Watts from his power supply. I could have mistook what the power draw was on the power supply,
but I think he also said in Russian that it was one hundred and fifty milliamps at eleven volts. Since I don't
speak Russian, I could have got that wrong however. :)