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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 9961746 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12645 on: March 10, 2016, 04:55:46 PM »

  Why not continue with what has been shown to work, instead of second guessing the outcome of this unproven clamping system with the Akula/Ruslan devices?  Seams like a long derailment of the Ruslan type of replication.
 

I do not consider that the unclamped system of working is proven yet to give a self-running device, at least not by anyone on this forum. I assume that self-running is what you mean by proven? Its not as if a lot of work has not been done using the unclamped yoke winding, so surely it does not hurt to try out alternatives given no successs to-date.

Edit : If you mean proven by which arrangement gives max lamp brightness, then we have no proven benchmark to say that any given lamp brightness under test is an indicator that we are going in the right direction for a self-running system.

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« Reply #12646 on: March 10, 2016, 05:21:41 PM »
Really?
Yes, MOSFETs are not  being damaged by overvoltages between their drain & source terminals and the energy contained in these spikes is not being wasted as heat.

And where is the proof of that, in relation to the current tests?
What current tests?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12647 on: March 10, 2016, 06:53:30 PM »
Yes, MOSFETs are not  being damaged by overvoltages between their drain & source terminals and the energy contained in these spikes is not being wasted as heat.

That's pretty hard to argue against IMHO.


If you want a self-runner, it will not hurt one bit to minimize power draw of the push-pull system.  You must hit unity before you can attempt overunity.  Verpies has likely put us one step closer.  Seems he is due a thank you or two.  I'm not seeing any other highly qualified engineers helping us here, every step of the way. for free I might add.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12648 on: March 10, 2016, 07:14:08 PM »
The aim here is not to get the stuff like mosfet ringing out of the way. The Oleg circuit was used in Ruslan replication and even it is not perfect, still working to achieve self runner.
So question is where you guys are heading as it is not for trying achieve unusual effects with that time spent.
Something to think about..

Offline Jeg

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12649 on: March 10, 2016, 07:51:16 PM »
@Verpies
I checked again my cables and everything seem to be ok. But the voltage across the electrolytic cap which is connected to drain, is only that of the power supply. 24V. I will swap again my primaries in case i miss something.

The hurt of the system is that push pull. Making it reliable with less consumption while operating should be an aim for every experimenter.     

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12650 on: March 10, 2016, 07:51:51 PM »
So question is where you guys are heading as it is not for trying achieve unusual effects with that time spent.
Something to think about..

Here's one for you to consider while we are doing some thinking.

Two PWM's clocked at the same frequency with the second PWM running a slightly shorter cycle time.  The output of the XOR gives an interesting "breathing" effect; maybe a pumping effect.  At first you may be inclined to think this has nothing to do with the Ruslan device.  Look again.  A similar effect is happening with the PLL as it tracks the resonant frequency.  You can't see it because you are not looking for it--wrong time scale.  Granted this PWM circuit is precise and going through an entire spectrum which I do not think the Ruslan device is doing, it's only partial.  Actually, the PLL circuit appears to allow the resonance to drift, then snap back when it finally synchronizes, so instead of a steady "breathing" effect, it's more like an inhale then a rapid exhale--similar to a long distance runner's breathing pattern.

Could this be the unknown?  I'm not sure, but it's certainly interesting to investigate.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12651 on: March 10, 2016, 07:59:39 PM »
Here's one for you to consider while we are doing some thinking.

Two PWM's clocked at the same frequency with the second PWM running a slightly shorter cycle time.  The output of the XOR gives an interesting "breathing" effect; maybe a pumping effect.  At first you may be inclined to think this has nothing to do with the Ruslan device.  Look again.  A similar effect is happening with the PLL as it tracks the resonant frequency.  You can't see it because you are not looking for it--wrong time scale.  Granted this PWM circuit is precise and going through an entire spectrum which I do not think the Ruslan device is doing, it's only partial.  Could this be the unknown?  I'm not sure, but it's certainly interesting to investigate.
The http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4329164/Simple-nanosecond-width-pulse-generator-provides-high-performance -> http://m.eet.com/media/1134959/15059-figure_1.pdf looks familar? :)

Also for R8 in PLL in http://imgbin.org/images/26553.jpg was produced by Oleg for clearing up some bits in convesation with him.

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« Reply #12652 on: March 10, 2016, 08:12:45 PM »
... produced by Oleg for clearing up some bits in convesation with him.

This one from Oleg is also very useful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao18HxSpDEY

Shows where the peak and null nodes are, which will significantly help determine the needed running frequency based on wire length.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12653 on: March 10, 2016, 08:28:16 PM »
@Verpies
I checked again my cables and everything seem to be ok. But the voltage across the electrolytic cap which is connected to drain, is only that of the power supply. 24V. I will swap again my primaries in case i miss something.

The hurt of the system is that push pull. Making it reliable with less consumption while operating should be an aim for every experimenter.     


   And, has that really been the case?  Less consumption, at the cost of less output at the bulbs? 
   Can the 24, 15A PS light even 300w worth of bulbs, through this clamp, even dimly?
  Ruslan's design works,  Will the clamp system aid in that? Or not? 
 
   For those guys that think that all these devices are fakes.  Why are you wasting your time here?

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« Reply #12654 on: March 10, 2016, 09:14:20 PM »

As mentioned earlier, i build a new yoke consisting of a T-520 Toroid using the loss-less clamp design with the same number of turns on the primaries (2x 12) and secondaries (3 and 28),
see picture were i compare the new toroid with the first one (not loss-less) i had.

When firing up, the 24V battery stack hits its auto fuse of 10A and thats it.

It seems that this "toroid yoke" gives way less inductance to the primaries (5.8uH each compared to the 64uH on a "yoke yoke") so it presents itself as a short to the MOSFETs.

I had the same effect as when i by mistake had wound my present loss-less clamp design yoke as bucking primaries, also then the inductance was too low and the 10A auto fuse came out.


So how to remedy this?   Use more turns on the primaries, but that will influence the secondary turn ratios as well which could cause the toroid to run out of space for all those windings.

Or stick with the present "yoke yoke"?


Itsu

  Verpies:  The above statements are what I was referring to, when mentioning the current tests.  Not tests for current.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12655 on: March 10, 2016, 09:19:55 PM »
Quote from: NickZ
For those guys that think that all these devices are fakes.  Why are you wasting your time here?

Reasonable question.  Either the devices are indeed being
faked or some critical knowledge relating to the actual source
of the apparent "overunity" is being concealed/withheld.

If "overunity" or "self-running" is truly being achieved then
where is the excess energy sourcing from?

The Daniel Pomerleau case may provide the needed clues.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12656 on: March 10, 2016, 10:03:51 PM »
   Sea Monkey:
   Always a pleasure to hear from you.
   Even if All these self running devices were faked, or something still hidden about their workings, I would still continue on with the tests and experiments. Because in my heart, I know that much more than just these table top versions can be made to work, one way or another.  We are still in the kinder garden of FE.
   So, the chase continues...

   As to where the extra energy is coming from. This has been partially explained by Tesla, and demonstrated by his electric car.
He mentioned that he ran it for a week, even at top speeds of 90mph. No batteries.
Yet, few believed him,  as well as to his ideas about the Aether, etz...

   Itsu:  I very much appreciate your persistence, and efforts in all of these tests, videos, and explanations.  Thank you, again.
   I'm also hoping that Geo gets his rig going soon, as well.  As he may be getting very close to hitting it off.

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12657 on: March 10, 2016, 10:21:37 PM »

   
   Can the 24, 15A PS light even 300w worth of bulbs, through this clamp, even dimly?
  Ruslan's design works,  Will the clamp system aid in that? Or not? 
 
   For those guys that think that all these devices are fakes.  Why are you wasting your time here?

Try it yourself as I did and you should be able to answer your own question. As Verpies has pointed out, by using the clamp, you gain to keep the smoke in. However, you may feel that the spikes and messy waveforms with some smoke as a consequence, is all part of the solution towards self-running device. That's fine, as none of us really know, so as I see it, anything goes at this point in time.

Its certainly should not be a waste of time here for any of us. Even if we do not achieve a self-runner, there is much we can learn from sharing knowledge. Take yourself as case in point. Had you not been persuaded to purchase a scope for testing and received help to fault find your Mazilli, you would have still been wandering around blind. You have now decided to leap another hurdle and try out a PWM push-pull. You now have the knowledge to do this, thanks to the help given from the more experienced and learned members on this thread. Even if you never achieve a self-runner, you should have learnt a lot more about electronics in the process of trying.

Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12658 on: March 10, 2016, 10:49:27 PM »
Quote from: NickZ
Always a pleasure to hear from you.
Even if All these self running devices were faked, or something still hidden about their workings, I would still continue on with the tests and experiments.

That is a very good way to look at these circuits.
By continuing to experiment comprehension and
knowledge will increase as will also construction
skills.

Quote from: NickZ
Because in my heart, I know that much more than just these table top versions can be made to work, one way or another.  We are still in the kinder garden of FE.
   So, the chase continues...

After more than four decades of studying the
mysterious appearance of inexplicable "free
energy" events I've come to another conclusion.
But, none the less, it is intriguing to watch as
others likewise pursue the elusive dream and
learn much in the process.

Quote from: NickZ
As to where the extra energy is coming from. This has been partially explained by Tesla, and demonstrated by his electric car.
He mentioned that he ran it for a week, even at top speeds of 90mph. No batteries.
Yet, few believed him,  as well as to his ideas about the Aether, etz...

I mention Daniel Pomerleau from time to time
in these discussions since he has the ability to
manifest the appearance of the energy without
any circuitry at all;  just coils of wire.  This
phenomenon points to another source unrelated
to electrical/electronic circuits.  It also sheds light
on why the energy is so elusive and only makes
its appearance to a few.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12659 on: March 11, 2016, 12:51:14 AM »
Verpies:  The above statements are what I was referring to, when mentioning the current tests.  Not tests for current.
But this was Itsu's statement about a different core that had insufficient permeability for that driving frequency.  He calls it "toroid yoke" vs. "yoke yoke".
In his videos with the "yoke yoke" he measures mean input current.

If you ask him to compare the mean input current with the lossless clamps vs. the dissipative RCD clamps for the same output power in one video, I am 80% sure he will do it for you with the working "yoke yoke".

You can also ask him to place a current probe on the clamp diode to see how much mean current flows through it. 
Notice, when the RCD clamps are used, this is the current that is converted to heat
...and when the lossless clamps are used, this is the current that is returned to the supply input circuit.

Note, that the several % of increased efficiency is merely a side effect of the lossless-clamp circuit.  Its major purpose is to clamp any spikes above 2*VCC and protect the MOSFETs from overvoltage.