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John.K1

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11955 on: February 04, 2016, 01:07:43 AM »
John.k1. Here's a thought. What if the magic frequency for utilizing a direct earth ground connection is the
same or similar magic frequency that gives over unity on devices that don't have an earth ground connection? 
In previous testing I did with earth ground connections in the last couple of years, I noticed that there
seemed to sometimes be something different occurring around 1.2MHz to 1.3 MHz, and also around 1.6MHz to 1.7 MHz.
I was testing with two different earth ground connection points, but those same frequencies seemed to hold regardless
of the earth ground connection point or earth ground wire length. The frequency in the 1.2MHz to 1.3 MHz range seemed
to give the most notable results when using an earth ground connection, but this same frequency range also seemed to
sometimes have an effect even when I didn't have earth ground connected into whatever circuit setup I was testing with.
I notice that in the Lithuania experiment, they initially found 1.2 MHz to be a magic frequency, but this frequency apparently began to drift upwards.
Things that make you go hmmm... :)

Hi Void.   Yes, the frequency Romanov showed in his movie (1.36MHz) and I got the same. No mater what coil you use. I was speaking about it here long time ago and nobody paid attention to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1dSZ_dxRM
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11956 on: February 04, 2016, 01:33:41 AM »
Hi Void.   Yes, the frequency Romanov showed in his movie (1.36MHz) and I got the same. No mater what coil you use. I was speaking about it here long time ago and nobody paid attention to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1dSZ_dxRM

That may be a test we each need to run in our respective locations since we don't know for sure what is responsible for setting this particular frequency.  It also means if we get different values, our devices must be built and tuned to our specific location.

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« Reply #11957 on: February 04, 2016, 03:49:52 AM »
Update. 4days ago I was about to record the vid to show you guyz the effects and loading with some readings.
After the accident which happend right after unexpectedly :(. My TL494/ Ir2110 Pushpull got smoked.

Hi Geo. It's not so fun when that happens. :(
I see you are still powering from the grid. As has been mentioned here before,
this could give you some misleading results. Potential for ground loops and all that rot. ;)
Better to power from a battery bank, if at all possible.


That's a very easy yoke circuit to replicate. but, to get it to produce the same results, is something else.

Hi Nick. Aye. Fairly easy to setup. Finding over unity is another story... :)


I have asked similar questions a long time ago and based on answers to them, I drew the schematic diagram of the Lithuanian Experiment #1 (sparkless, low-power version) according to all EE conventions including the dot convention and winding numbering, below.  I skipped turn counts.
P.S.
IMO the answer to Q1 is "Y", to Q2 is "underneath W2 & W3, while W4 remains on the other core half", to Q3 is "Y", to Q4 is as depicted on the schematic below ("non-cancelling mode").

Thanks Verpies. I have started working on the yoke, but hopefully T-1000 will get back to me on
my five questions if he gets a chance, so I can get his perspective on those items.


Hi Void.   Yes, the frequency Romanov showed in his movie (1.36MHz) and I got the same. No mater what coil you use. I was speaking about it here long time ago and nobody paid attention to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI1dSZ_dxRM

Hi John.k1. Yes, that's interesting that I am on a different continent than you two guys, but
I have also seen something unusual along the exact same lines and in the same frequency range.
Hmmm... ;)


That may be a test we each need to run in our respective locations since we don't know for sure what is responsible for setting this particular frequency.  It also means if we get different values, our devices must be built and tuned to our specific location.

Hi Dog-One. Could prove interesting for sure...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11958 on: February 04, 2016, 04:26:57 AM »
Yoke core - copper foil applied around one half of smaller opening end.
It is easier to wrap the copper foil around that part because it is more vertical,
and I didn't have a longer piece of copper foil available anyway. :)
I can press the two halves of the yoke core closer together than shown in the the picture,
just need to apply a little bit of pressure. Will probably clamp the two halves together more
tightly with some electrical tape for starters, but I understand that I may need to experiment with the
gap width.

verpies

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11959 on: February 04, 2016, 06:58:27 AM »
Yoke core - copper foil applied around one half of smaller opening end.
It is easier to wrap the copper foil around that part because it is more vertical,
AFAIR the original also had the copper foil on the "flat part" but that part was wider on the original yoke core.

However, I am not certain whether the copper foil was allowed to be in the gap between the core halves - instead there might have been a wire bridge soldered to two separate pieces of the foil before the gap.  I remember a diagram of it on this forum (see here) and Wesley talking, that there was only paper in the gap.  The thickness of this gap is evidently very critical, so the thickness of any materials within the gap must be critical, too.

I don't think the core needs to be wrapped in an insulating plastic tape, under the copper foil, because the original black core had a very high resistivity, as far as I remember.
Actually, the unimpeded contact of the copper tape with the naked ferrite might be responsible for some effect.

These points should be consulted with the people who worked on this device ...and settled once and for all.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2016, 02:42:32 PM by verpies »

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11960 on: February 04, 2016, 10:27:35 AM »
Hi Geo. It's not so fun when that happens. :(
I see you are still powering from the grid. As has been mentioned here before,
this could give you some misleading results. Potential for ground loops and all that rot. ;)
Better to power from a battery bank, if at all possible.


That point needs to be hammered-in!

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11961 on: February 04, 2016, 10:59:03 AM »
   
And each new version is much more advanced and complicated, with higher output, longer 40 meter long earth ground lines, and needing special components. Like HV, HF diodes the will rectify the output from the 168t coil, to DC, and not go up in smoke, like half my Mazilli crt did, last week. 
 

Nick,

Both yours and Geo's devices suffered the same fate. The HV will simply find a convenient loop path and eventually break-down and smoke components. A ground connection helps to dissipate the energy but the more current drawn into the device by an increasing load, coupled with an impedance mis-match, will ultimately lead to smoke. This is why voltage suppressors need to be employed to ground out voltage transients before they become too high and exceed component ratings. The same thing is likely to happen when you re-build your circuit unless you have some control over the current available to your device.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11962 on: February 04, 2016, 02:41:02 PM »
Nick,

Both yours and Geo's devices suffered the same fate. The HV will simply find a convenient loop path and eventually break-down and smoke components. A ground connection helps to dissipate the energy but the more current drawn into the device by an increasing load, coupled with an impedance mis-match, will ultimately lead to smoke. This is why voltage suppressors need to be employed to ground out voltage transients before they become too high and exceed component ratings. The same thing is likely to happen when you re-build your circuit unless you have some control over the current available to your device.

hi Hoppy,

I do agree with you somewhat.

Among the replicators i think Nickz must have spent alot "Cost wise$$" in replacing mosfet after mosfet due to Mazilli tendency to fail since it's also operating at around 50% duty cycle.The dead time between mosfets just isn't long enough in nano seconds.
I do know the mosfet isn't cheap.The wastage in dollars could have been prevented by getting a PWM circuit or just assembling a pwm circuit on a breadboard to save time/money.

In the end -It's up to the individual ardent circuit replicators to decide on how to lower cost just by preventing any kind of circuit failure/smoking.

For Geo case i can't tell if he used a snubber to protect mosfet.
600volts or 400volts rated mosfet is definitely more safe bet as compared to a 200volts rated mosfet.

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My progress is very slow ,nearly completed PWM circuit on a Veroboard with smallest heatsink/fan form factor.
I thought i would never touch a veroboard after going PCB.But to save designing time i got no choice.Problem with PCB i need to get all other circuit into it as well to optimize pcb board.
Creating a pcb board itself takes less than 1/2 a day for me. :D

I will just create a one time youtube video to show everyone on how to create a full proof PWM circuit that works from 9volts all to the way to 350volts dc since i am using  1.2kv mosfet. :D
After which anyone whom wish to stick with obsolete TL494 with higher component count in circuit "God bless you".

I will reveal my diy version of PWM circuit in matter of days which will be smoke proof "Circuit breaker for 12volts or 24volts 5Amps or  8Amps" as well as long you stick with parts used. 8)

Circuit breaker already saved me hundered of dollars in preventing a smoked mosfet for few years.Unfortunately many replicator or hobbyist never thought about this cost saving device in the long run.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11963 on: February 04, 2016, 03:24:35 PM »
Hi Magpwr,

Nick is at a disadvantage in that his knowlege of electrical principles is weak, so he does not yet fully understand how best to protect his device. Hopefully he will take-up your suggestion to employ a circuit breaker to help minimise the risk of further blow-outs. He is further disadvantaged by long lead times in obtaining components. However, I do hope he takes the plunge and attempts to build a PWM, maybe the robust design you intend to show, as this will enable him to develop build skills, which are essential for this type of circuit development and experimentation.

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« Reply #11964 on: February 04, 2016, 03:42:01 PM »
  Magpwr:
   Thanks for considering the cost of the fets. Which by the way aren't expensive at all, but are not easy for me to obtain by turtle mail from China, as it takes them about a month to get here.  My costs are not from the price, but on availability or time needed to replace components.  But, in any case after a couple of years at working on these devices, I've not spent over $50 for parts.  Test gear is a different story.  And Geo managed to do it all, up to where he's at now, with NO test gear.

  The reason that my Mazilli bit the dust was due to my testing the "Mediator" coil that I used. That has NOTHING to do with the Mazilli, as being touchy, finiky, or problematic. As the mediator coil that I used (tv yoke) allows too much current to pass through it, compared to the two or three smaller chokes that I normally used instead.  That is the cause of both my burn out, and possibly Geo's as well.   I've now made a new mediator coil (picture below), and I will continue on using that one, when I can.
  There is already over current protection in the PS. But, That is not the problem. Even with my limited electronics knowledge, that much I know.
  However, I did see some integration of the Kacher circuit to the induction circuits, which I've never observed previously to the same degree.  I hope that my new mediator will work better than the yoke/mediator I had used. In any case I'll buy more fets, and anything else that I'll need. Which at this point is undecided just what parts I really need at this point.
  I'll will also buy the $7 PMW/TL494 board, that Itsu recommended me to try output. Again it's a months wait.

  Magpwr: All I've seen from any of the PWM boards anyone has used is lousy output, and fried components.
Not very convincing...
 We'll see what you come up with.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11965 on: February 04, 2016, 03:57:53 PM »
AFAIR the original also had the copper foil on the "flat part" but that part was wider on the original yoke core.
However, I am not certain whether the copper foil was allowed to be in the gap between the core halves - instead there might have been a wire bridge soldered to two separate pieces of the foil before the gap.  I remember a diagram of it on this forum (see here) and Wesley talking, that there was only paper in the gap.  The thickness of this gap is evidently very critical, so the thickness of any materials within the gap must be critical, too.
I don't think the core needs to be wrapped in an insulating plastic tape, under the copper foil, because the original black core had a very high resistivity, as far as I remember.
Actually, the unimpeded contact of the copper tape with the naked ferrite might be responsible for some effect.
These points should be consulted with the people who worked on this device ...and settled once and for all.

Thanks Verpies. I missed that in the video about using the copper wire jumper to get around the problem
of having the copper strap going through the gaps. Yes, the DC resistance of my yoke core appears to be
very high. I don't get any reading on my multimeter even on the 200 Megaohm scale.
It would be nice if I can get some feedback on this setup from T-1000 or Wesley, so I get things optimal/correct right
from the start. At least with the narrow copper strap I have on my yoke core right now I can still try the test
to search for a magic frequency. I plan to give that a try today. I will post back my results here.


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« Reply #11966 on: February 04, 2016, 04:14:37 PM »
  Magpwr:
   Thanks for considering the cost of the fets. Which by the way aren't expensive at all, but are not easy for me to obtain by turtle mail from China, as it takes them about a month to get here.  My costs are not from the price, but on availability or time needed to replace components.  But, in any case after a couple of years at working on these devices, I've not spent over $50 for parts.  Test gear is a different story.  And Geo managed to do it all, up to where he's at now, with NO test gear.

  The reason that my Mazilli bit the dust was due to my testing the "Mediator" coil that I used. That has NOTHING to do with the Mazilli, as being touchy, finiky, or problematic. As the mediator coil that I used (tv yoke) allows too much current to pass through it, compared to the two or three smaller chokes that I normally used instead.  That is the cause of both my burn out, and probably Geo's as well. This mediator coil.  I've now made a new mediator coil, and will continue on when I can.

  Magpwr: All I've seen from any of the PWM boards anyone has used is lousy output, and fried components.
Not very convincing...
 We'll see what you come up with.

hi Nickz,

I agree with you shipment from China can be long.Since i am living in Singapore within Asia.It typically takes 2 to 4 weeks depending on which seller in China.

Unfortunately this is the worst time for anyone ordering anything from China since it's their grand holiday due to Chinese New Year around this time of the year.2 weeks holiday i believe.
It will now take 1.5 months to nearly 2months to get your parts.Don't worry i think i am effected as well as i placed order around 1 week ago. :D

PWM circuit for any purpose might be using either mosfet or IGBT.
Heat is generate from Mosfet or IGBT not only because switching at high current.If a 40Amps Mosfet which need 15volts or 18volts at the gates generate alot of heat.
It also means Mosfet is highly likely under driven at 12volts or less.
This means that a 40Amps mosfet won't function like it was meant for even 20Amps hence unwanted heat is generated from the mosfet.

In simple term efficiency is lowered if there is heat generated from mosfet apart from the heatsink/fan.

It's one of the reason why i like use a voltage boost circuit XL6009 (got 3 of those) to provide high enough signal for mosfet gate.MC34063 is cheap,simple and good as well.
It's more suited for 12volts battery if there is need to isolate from mains supply.

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« Reply #11967 on: February 04, 2016, 04:23:35 PM »
  Mag:
  My fets don't heat up, even without a heat sink.  That is not the cause of death. And I'm using a 24v, 10A PS with over current protection, for now, until I use a 12v battery for the input source, and use the PS for the feed back path.
  The mediator caused the yoke to go into the "vibrating mode".  And as I wanted to see what this vibrating mode was about, I let it run like that for a minute, or so. That was the cause of death, almost instantaneous, with no heat on the fets. Something else did smoke though, not sure what since several parts fried.  I think that possibly one of the 18v zeners bit it, first, along with both 10k resistors, which then killed one or both fets.  Any way, that hopefully will not happen again. 
 
   

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« Reply #11968 on: February 04, 2016, 04:32:50 PM »
 
  The reason that my Mazilli bit the dust was due to my testing the "Mediator" coil that I used. That has NOTHING to do with the Mazilli, as being touchy, finiky, or problematic. As the mediator coil that I used (tv yoke) allows too much current to pass through it, compared to the two or three smaller chokes that I normally used instead.  That is the cause of both my burn out, and probably Geo's as well. This mediator coil.  I've now made a new mediator coil, and will continue on when I can.

  Magpwr: All I've seen from any of the PWM boards anyone has used is lousy output, and fried components.
Not very convincing...
 We'll see what you come up with.


Yes Nick. The mediator coil is probably allowing the push-pull to draw too higher pulse currents and you are unable to control the current because your duty cycle is fixed as Magpwr pointed out. Unless you have control over the duty cycle, you could easily suffer a further blow-out, depending on whether your mediator chokes the input current sufficiently. The level of current limitation, will govern the power output of your device.

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« Reply #11969 on: February 04, 2016, 05:04:05 PM »
  Yes, well I'm working on it, and will use the new mediator coil next time, and watch for problems, if there are any.
  Current limiting can be controlled by the choice of the yoke's primary coil tuning cap(s) on the Mazilli crt. if need be.
   And yes, a controllable duty cycle would be important, or maybe even essential.  Geo's circuit was cutting out at over 30%.
So, if that is the case, then even 50% would be not reachable for him on his TL board. And possibly with limited output, therefrom, also. If he places the 1000w bulb on the device, or the 450 watt worth of bulbs, death of the circuit may be the result. Which he may not have noticed, when running only a single 100w bulb.