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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8346357 times)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10950 on: October 20, 2015, 10:28:55 PM »
Obviously this 2KV moustache like signal i cannot feed back into the PLL, so it must be dampend.
But dampening it with a resistor transforms the signal to be like the purple one, different shape, but also different phase!
Yes, this dampening is called "burdening" and is required for a current transformer.
The lower the resistance of the burden resistor the less phase offset between the current flowing in this resistor and the current flowing in the measured circuit (primary).

Overdoing the burden current can lead to core saturation.
Use a Rogowski Coil (without an integrator) if this is a concern.
Rogowski coil also outputs a voltage signal which is 90º phase shifted from the voltage signal of a perfectly burdened current transformer.

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« Reply #10951 on: October 20, 2015, 10:48:48 PM »
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Divider and unwinding some turns might help.


Jeg, 

ok, i used just 1 turn and made a voltage   divider of 1:10 (1K + 10K resistors).
Now the signal is moustache like and manageable for the PLL, but it still does not peak on the current max. (green trace).  Instead it peaks on the voltage max.

Yellow is voltage across the coil (inductor)
Green is current through this coil (inductor)
Blue is dampend current transformer with 10 Ohm
purple is 1 turn current transformer with 1:10 voltage divider (1K - 10K)


verpies,

so my assumtion that the screenshot in my last post shows an undampend moustache like (yellow trace) signal caused by saturation of the core is wrong?
Instead the purple trace might be showing an overdampend current transformer and has saturated the core?

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10952 on: October 20, 2015, 10:55:40 PM »
For PLL loopback input you need current sense on the yoke input from push-pull circuit. So when there is max current it should be the moment of fire for the Tesla coil.
Also you need to reach power output amplification like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBLgIbxP3o where it happen as soon as Tesla coil is getting switched on with fuse to higher voltage into primary coil in video. One thing to mention about ferrite rod on Tesla - Ruslan could not get proper frequency so he lowered Tesla frequency with help of rod there. (And the current sense toroid is seen on 2:31 in the right edge  - also in the https://youtu.be/e3AJ9fy4tB0?t=3m35s on the ground side from the grenade coil)
And the series LC resonance on yoke should not kill itself when you bring more load like it does currently - this indicates problem somewhere in push-pull circuit.
And as always, the power source has to be not from the main grid and not grounded.

P.S> The grounding cable in https://youtu.be/e3AJ9fy4tB0?t=10m38s seems was one from http://www.elandcables.com/cables/h01n2-bs-en-50525-2-81-welding-cable series.

T-1000,

i think my current transformers are where you mention they should be (like on the diagram), but i cannot get them to peak on the current, instead they peak on the voltage.

See above screenshot.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10952 on: October 20, 2015, 10:55:40 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10953 on: October 20, 2015, 11:46:30 PM »

And the series LC resonance on yoke should not kill itself when you bring more load like it does currently - this indicates problem somewhere in push-pull circuit.
And as always, the power source has to be not from the main grid and not grounded.


It may not be a pure series LC circuit, more a series circuit with parallel resistance. Although the resistance in the form of lamps is not directly across the Inductor coil, I suspect it is still having an effect on the resonance as its effectively in parallel across the grenade which forms the secondary of a transformer who's primary is the inductor coil. If this is the case, then the resonant frequency can step up slightly with progressive resistance changes, as reported by Itsu. See: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/resonance-series-parallel-circuits/

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« Reply #10954 on: October 21, 2015, 01:18:13 AM »
Nick,

Edit: The cap after the FWBR next to the bulbs would probably be anything from 10uF upwards at 100V or more.

  Ruslan is holding the cap in his hand, it reads 100wv, 2200uf.  The video I posted the link to? Minute 8 +.
As each diagram Ruslan comes up with is different, I'm not only pointing out about the value of that capacitor shown at the bulbs, but also, that that is the video of the device that I'm working towards. Not the newer 4000w version. And both coils (3 turn, and 28turns) are wound in separate induction circuits, and are not connected to one another.  I "choose" the separate LC circuits, route, also.

  I connected my set up back together  Mazilli/yoke/grenade/Kacher.  Preliminary results are not showing additional resonance "effect" from the syncronization.  More tuning is necessary, as I had suspected. 
  Where is that wind goose? ........  The chase continues.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10955 on: October 21, 2015, 01:35:55 AM »
Remember that adding resistance to an inductor turns it into a filter, high pass or low pass depending on the configuration, this will impact the operation of the coil and its output. This starts dropping signal strength by 3db on a logarithmic scale. A bandpass is comprised of a low pass and a high pass filter, the values of the components can be chosen to make a notch filter as well.

The grenade coil with its capacitors is a RLC or bandpass filter, if you do not isolate the bulbs this may (will) affect the resonant point as you found. I think this is why they inserted a FWB with filter/storage cap to tap the power to minimize the affect of loading.

some info  http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Low-pass-filter.php

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« Reply #10956 on: October 21, 2015, 01:47:29 AM »
  Hoppy:
  From that last link that you posted:
  "One notable exception to the rule of circuit resistance causing a resonant frequency shift is the case of series resistor-inductor-capacitor (“RLC”) circuits. So long as all components are connected in series with each other, the resonant frequency of the circuit will be unaffected by the resistance."
   
   Ah, so...
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10957 on: October 21, 2015, 02:30:26 AM »
It may not be a pure series LC circuit, more a series circuit with parallel resistance. Although the resistance in the form of lamps is not directly across the Inductor coil, I suspect it is still having an effect on the resonance as its effectively in parallel across the grenade which forms the secondary of a transformer who's primary is the inductor coil. If this is the case, then the resonant frequency can step up slightly with progressive resistance changes, as reported by Itsu. See: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/resonance-series-parallel-circuits/
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And the series LC resonance on yoke should not kill itself when you bring more load like it does currently - this indicates problem somewhere in push-pull circuit.
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- Sorry I not selected in the diagram where it is not acceptable combination,also see how the circuit Kacher IRFP 460 view Drain :D
you have to take a patch to fix  have a good one eye

I tried to use colored frames that are common
Red means: no grounding
Yellow means: The neutral or the negative circuit
Green means: Grounding working with conductor 38.7 meter (16mm) thickness.
check this Drain and Diode direction in which the page is to be !
Thanks so still will call here.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10958 on: October 21, 2015, 09:26:50 AM »

- Sorry I not selected in the diagram where it is not acceptable combination,also see how the circuit Kacher IRFP 460 view Drain :D
you have to take a patch to fix  have a good one eye

I tried to use colored frames that are common
Red means: no grounding
Yellow means: The neutral or the negative circuit
Green means: Grounding working with conductor 38.7 meter (16mm) thickness.
check this Drain and Diode direction in which the page is to be !
Thanks so still will call here.

Tomtech,

I understand your amended Allegga circuit showing grounds / earthing. However, I cannot fully understand what configuration of yoke, inductor, grenade, FWBR you consider as correct. Please post a schematic.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10959 on: October 21, 2015, 09:39:23 AM »
  Hoppy:
  From that last link that you posted:
  "One notable exception to the rule of circuit resistance causing a resonant frequency shift is the case of series resistor-inductor-capacitor (“RLC”) circuits. So long as all components are connected in series with each other, the resonant frequency of the circuit will be unaffected by the resistance."
   
   Ah, so...

Read on Nick.

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« Reply #10960 on: October 21, 2015, 10:04:06 AM »

The grenade coil with its capacitors is a RLC or bandpass filter, if you do not isolate the bulbs this may (will) affect the resonant point as you found. I think this is why they inserted a FWB with filter/storage cap to tap the power to minimize the affect of loading.

some info  http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Low-pass-filter.php

Starcruiser,

That's a valid point about RLC bandpass filter if Itsu had any capacitors connected to the grenade winding. I gathered from his video that the grenade was disconnected from the yoke and any capacitors and that he was just driving the inductor coil from the yoke and inducing current into a closed grenade winding loaded with the lamps. However, as you point out, I do see that the lamps resistance will form a frequency filter with the grenades inductance, which could be causing the resonant shift. I feel that there is more than this one factor involved in what was observed in Itsu's video.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2015, 12:14:37 PM by Hoppy »

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« Reply #10961 on: October 21, 2015, 11:42:32 AM »
Jeg, 

ok, i used just 1 turn and made a voltage   divider of 1:10 (1K + 10K resistors).


Hi Itsu
As starcruiser said "adding resistance to an inductor turns it into a filter". So a 1:10 divider will give different phase shifting depend on the values. By using resistances in the order of KOhm or Mohm will give different shift than with resistances in Ohm (always in combination with frequency). So i guess that by playing between orders of magnitude, it will hopefully correct your phase shift.

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« Reply #10962 on: October 21, 2015, 01:38:58 PM »
Hello because of the fact that I have not seen such an effect on you, I decided to show you what something:
practically it is already old stuff from my library but there are interesting phenomena:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j05UzSeGLc

very simple experiment It confirms that at this circuit T.Coil we are able to light a 60W light bulb and the high state of tension gather in a capacitor

However Returning to the example of the LC circuit I think the character variable resistance affects the resonant circuit And in the case as is Itsu only has a negative effect.

 I would suggest in a first step to check the other push-pull, but I put on a coil structures
-previously he was much better results ! (and I know PLL that with this arrangement is a lot of difficulty to the already I transformed last year,
not because I've come so far do not fully know how this system should work but in the new film Ruslan showed us.
And what is shocking is using the latest version 4 Kw. PLL is completely disconnected and applied other options
(pulse peaks appear at the third summit) Hmm.
TL494 needs a custom operating system to a minimum of 2 MHz to check this system as it is in the original film, I tried to use his other generator to 4MHz but this is nonsense.

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« Reply #10963 on: October 21, 2015, 01:46:56 PM »

Jeg,

ok, i understand, but the problem i have is that i need to sync the Kacher on the top peak of the current (green trace) through the inductor coil (as i understand it).
But when using ANY current transformer, i mean i have tried out 3 now, but ALL show they are peaking on the top peak of the Voltage (yellow trace) across the inductor coil

When looking at the undampend current transformer output (2.6KV), or at the single turn with the 1:10 reistors, the phase between them is the same and both on top
of the voltage.

Anyway, the situation i have now is not really ideal, i have no ground attached, i do not have the Grenade attached, i still work with a mains connected 24V PS, etc.
So i have to clean up all this before i really can say that i have a problem, allthough i think it is strange the current transformer is behaving as it does.


 
Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10964 on: October 21, 2015, 02:43:48 PM »
Starcruiser,

That's a valid point about RLC bandpass filter if Itsu had any capacitors connected to the grenade winding. I gathered from his video that the grenade was disconnected from the yoke and any capacitors and that he was just driving the inductor coil from the yoke and inducing current into a closed grenade winding loaded with the lamps. However, as you point out, I do see that the lamps resistance will form a frequency filter with the grenades inductance, which could be causing the resonant shift. I feel that there is more than this one factor involved in what was observed in Itsu's video.

I agree that there is more involved, just that this is one of the factors to be considered. The inductance and resistance forms a filter as mentioned, it just looks to me that the combination of the various coils and capacitors is forming a bandpass filter (or a notch filter) and all filters have a resonant point to them as well, the resistance in the circuit is one of the limiting factors of the "Q" of the filter.

I do think the coils should be measured for their inductance and the math done to see what the actual frequency response is for the sudo filters being created here. I feel this is just another item to be looked at and considered in the design and performance of the device. We all do want to understand how this works and how to effectively tune it right?

 

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