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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 9176762 times)

Offline lost_bro

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10590 on: October 02, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »
Guys, true or false...

The purpose of the PLL circuit is to achieve the highest current possible across the induction heater coil.

If the above statement is false, then what is its actual purpose?

If true, then couldn't we simply sweep the frequency with a SG and manually find the resonant peak using a scope and current probe?  And as long as we use a fixed load is there any reason the resonant condition would wander out of tune?  Or is there something in the way this device functions where the frequency is constantly moving back-n-forth?

I completely understand this PLL circuit will track if you are constantly changing the load, but is all that necessary for one of us to demonstrate a working prototype?  Just seems to me it is overkill for finding and studying the basic effect.

Good day DogOne

Yes, good point.......... but with my PLL creations I find that Temperature variations not to mention grounding configuration, ie; relative ground planes in relation to DUT and even RH will cause the Fres to meander around.

PLL or a Direct Feedback method will keep locked (within a certain range of course) the Fres.

Although it appears so, nothing is really static or separate........

take care, peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10590 on: October 02, 2015, 07:48:19 PM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10591 on: October 02, 2015, 07:59:06 PM »
Guys, true or false...

The purpose of the PLL circuit is to achieve the highest current possible across the induction heater coil.

If the above statement is false, then what is its actual purpose?
The main PLL purpose is to keep resonant condition in yoke driver no matter how load impedance changes.
The secondary PLL purpose is in this specific case to stick Tesla coil driver ON/OFF signal states on specific point of sinus wave.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10592 on: October 02, 2015, 08:12:28 PM »
lost_bro,

thanks for that info, i can't remember seeing that before.


Regards Itsu

Hello Itsu

Here's the link:

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg444216/#msg444216

take care, peace
lost_bro

Quick edit:  Should read Pulse Pin #1 NOT #4 on schematic....... was in a hurry I guess and mistyped the pin #.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10592 on: October 02, 2015, 08:12:28 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10593 on: October 02, 2015, 08:40:51 PM »
The main PLL purpose is to keep resonant condition in yoke driver no matter how load impedance changes.
The secondary PLL purpose is in this specific case to stick Tesla coil driver ON/OFF signal states on specific point of sinus wave.

Good day All

Food for thought:

I agree with T-1000 on the *critical* timing issue regarding the *apex Sinus pulsing*.

Here is why:

In the Olegg schematic TypeII comparator PLL is used: Pin#14......... this is opposed to TypeI comparator PLL on Pin#2.

WHY???????????   TypeII comp. PLL (pin#14) will ONLY lock unto the Fres and NOT subharmonics nor overtones of the principle frequency.  This is very distinct from the operation of TypeI comp. PLL on Pin#2, as TypeI will lock to subharmonics.

TypeII comp. PLL is less noise immune, hence the custom made PCBs with ground plane.... TypeI has a much higher noise immunity.  So TypeII requires a little more effort as far as layout and design go..... if it did not matter it would be much easier to implement TypeI PLL.

So apparently there is a *reason* for using the TypeII comp. PLL ...... maybe exact timing/synch (non-harmonic) is necessary after all ;)

being that I am too lazy to re-write what I wrote about this many months ago I will just paste and copy my old post:

take care, peace
lost_bro

Good day MagPwr

Good to hear that you enjoyed the videos.........

Want to take advantage of the moment and make a couple of comments on the schematic that you posted:
As we know it uses Pin#14 so it is TypeII PLL, which is different from TypeI PLL on Pin#2 in that (@ resonance) *EDIT should read* (through VCO range), both the signal and comparator input are in Phase = Zero shift.  Of course the draw back to Type II is that it is very much more sensitive to EMI and sloppy board layout than Type I.

I used TypeII PLL in my SSTC design also... All the other TC designs I have seen on the web use Type I exclusively for that very reason (EMI problems).  The type I really requires much more circuitry to implement because the phase shift is variable 180 degrees through the VCO range. (90 degrees @ center VCO). 

Type I will also lock onto *harmonics* or overtones of the principle frequency, Type II will NOT lock on *harmonics*.

I took the liberty to comment a couple of items on the schematic, please see attached *commented* schematic.

Take care, peace
lost_bro

Here's the link:

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg444216/#msg444216

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10594 on: October 02, 2015, 08:50:13 PM »
BTW:  The correct name is - Mazilli. The Italian guy's last name that designed that oscillator circuit.
Nooooo, the correct name is Modzillaaaaa grrrrrrr

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« Reply #10594 on: October 02, 2015, 08:50:13 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10595 on: October 02, 2015, 09:40:03 PM »
My TinselKoil IX uses the Pin 14 Type II PLL.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10596 on: October 02, 2015, 10:14:24 PM »

So apparently there is a *reason* for using the TypeII comp. PLL ...... maybe exact timing/synch (non-harmonic) is necessary after all ;)

lost_bro

Here's the link:

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg444216/#msg444216

Interesting comment. Do you have any thoughts about the two capacitors on the grenade circuit marked C** in respect of tuning?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10597 on: October 02, 2015, 10:17:59 PM »
My TinselKoil IX uses the Pin 14 Type II PLL.

Good day TK

Yes, you are one of the few exceptions!!!!!   Very few coilers use the TypeII setup, probably just because there are soooo many TypeI PLL SSTC schematics available on the web.

What are you running on the your interrupt? ...about 40% mark time?

take care, peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10598 on: October 02, 2015, 10:49:38 PM »
Interesting comment. Do you have any thoughts about the two capacitors on the grenade circuit marked C** in respect of tuning?

Good day Hoppy
Actually I do have some ideas about the cap.s and freq.s, but I have not kept up on the names of the parts of the multi-wound coil.
Do you have a quick sketch with the names of the various parts of the multi-wound coil?  Was something like that ever posted on this thread?
   
That would really help me explain my ideas regarding the frequencies involved.

I think it would be good to be on the same page regarding the coil.

take care, peace
lost_bro


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10598 on: October 02, 2015, 10:49:38 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10599 on: October 02, 2015, 11:09:29 PM »
Good day Hoppy
Actually I do have some ideas about the cap.s and freq.s, but I have not kept up on the names of the parts of the multi-wound coil.
Do you have a quick sketch with the names of the various parts of the multi-wound coil?  Was something like that ever posted on this thread?
   
That would really help me explain my ideas regarding the frequencies involved.

I think it would be good to be on the same page regarding the coil.

take care, peace
lost_bro


I have annotated a clip from the ALLEGGA circuit

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10600 on: October 02, 2015, 11:11:29 PM »

Hoppy,

could it be that these 2 C** are more like symbolic capacitors representing the Grenade coil capacitance?
I understand so much from Akula's video here, (around the 11:15 minute mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3sed_eli0

Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10601 on: October 02, 2015, 11:20:47 PM »
Hoppy,

could it be that these 2 C** are more like symbolic capacitors representing the Grenade coil capacitance?
I understand so much from Akula's video here, (around the 11:15 minute mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3sed_eli0

Regards Itsu

Itsu,

Maybe, but although the LHS cap is in parallel with the grenade coil and would fit your suggestion, the RHS cap is in series, so I'm not really sure. Also, the coil capacitance would usually be denoted by a dotted line connection.

Regards
Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10602 on: October 03, 2015, 12:02:58 AM »
It was always my impression those two cap symbols were actual high voltage ones similar to the 0.47uF.  The value is not shown because they have to be selected specifically for tuning the device.  That tuning may well change from day-to-day depending upon environmental conditions.  If so, obviously you wouldn't post a schematic with fixed values.  It could also be those values can be a wide range--basically use what you have.

The testing I have done so far suggests they can be optimized to get the best sine wave signal and the most output power.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2015, 03:06:18 AM by Dog-One »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10603 on: October 03, 2015, 01:04:32 AM »
Good day TK

Yes, you are one of the few exceptions!!!!!   Very few coilers use the TypeII setup, probably just because there are soooo many TypeI PLL SSTC schematics available on the web.

What are you running on the your interrupt? ...about 40% mark time?

take care, peace
lost_bro
Yes, in the scopeshot shown it's about 40 percent. But the interrupter is adjustable for both frequency and mark-space (duty cycle). It's a 555 circuit connected to the 4046 Pin 5... a strategy that you will recognize, no doubt.   ;)


The thought occurs to me that perhaps a second 4046, tuned to a different frequency, could be used instead of the 555 to provide an interruption that was locked to one of the other frequencies needed....

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10604 on: October 03, 2015, 01:05:17 AM »
  The C18 cap is the 0.47uf 2000v WIMA tuning capacitor on the 3 turns/induction coils circuit in series.
  And the C** is a 0.1uF, (now changed to 0.15uf) 1000-2000v WIMA tuning cap for the yoke's 28 turns coil and the grenade's 168 turns output coil, placed in parallel.
  Hoppy, you asked me previously on what schematic that second 0.1uf - 0.15uf tuning cap is shown on. There are also other schematics that show it, as well. I'm using the WIMA 1000v 0.1uf, for the C**.
  However, I didn't have good result connecting the two different yoke secondary coils in the way that that diagram is showing them connected to the grenade. Mine are now separate.

   Here's a couple of the scope shots of the SG signal on my scope, while trying to find the best self resonant frequency of the 168 turns grenade output coil.
   First image is of the 168t coil's self resonant frequency, using the sine wave. Tuning for the grenade's output coil to it's best amplitude, that I could obtain from my 2Mhz SG.
  The second image is the square wave, while the scope settings are the same on both wave forms.
   The third image is of the scope settings.
   As this is my first try at testing for the grenade's self resonance, please take that into account.
   Again, any advice and/or tips are welcome.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2015, 04:23:24 AM by NickZ »

 

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