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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8673188 times)

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4470 on: June 24, 2014, 09:41:42 PM »
Are you talking about 220DC? or 110DC? being delivered to ATX from  Daly schematic and than turning to DC 12V
Please explain what you relating to using similar method as  I did in the link above


Wesley
It won't matter if AC (or pulsed DC which is 0 to positive or 0 to negative) or DC power source is applied to a bridge rectifier, it will just end up using 2 of the diodes, which will take all of the current all of the time and be hot.


Otherwise, The schematics for switching power supplies are either expecting "DC IN" Or AC, which is immediately rectified internally... so if you have a whole chain of recitifers, it doesn't really matter...


So I took the time to mark in purple boxes the bridge rectifier that is internal to the power supply...

It's actually a really simple thing.

And it doesn't matter if 220, 110, 440V or 9V...  the principle is all the same... most all of my PC supplies just have a switch that's a voltage divider enable (or something) to switch 110 or 220...


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4470 on: June 24, 2014, 09:41:42 PM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4471 on: June 24, 2014, 10:25:29 PM »
Hello Wesley,

can you tell me, if this topic is worth translating ?
I can not find any translation in the net:

What is this device in the middle of the two Hendershot-Coils ? It seems that he is showing some important
principle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjzZohyWs3g&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74

Regards Kator01



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4472 on: June 24, 2014, 10:45:55 PM »

During my Dally replication attempt, i also checked if my ATX PS was able to run on 200V DC.   It did, see video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSjfAp-YJSc

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4472 on: June 24, 2014, 10:45:55 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4473 on: June 24, 2014, 11:10:40 PM »
I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT DO WE NEED RECTIFICATION FOR IN DALY?






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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4474 on: June 24, 2014, 11:14:46 PM »
   Wesley:
   That 1500w output mentioned was what I had understood, also. And, I also agree that it's not important if it's really 1150w or even less than that, as all the bulbs may still not really be fully lit. But it is still the highest output of any of the self runners that anyone other than TK has obtained, if true. So, in that sense it does count.
 
   All:  I tried to upload my latest video, but am having troubles with upload to youtube at the moment. I will do it soon as possible, so that at least everyone can see what I've done, and can make suggestions, as needed.
  It would still be good for at least some of us to work together on one project to unravel this mistery. The only device that has been confirmed as working as shown, is the second Akula device.  However, is there a confirmed schematic of that device???
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4475 on: June 24, 2014, 11:15:18 PM »
I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT DO WE NEED RECTIFICATION FOR IN DALY?Wesley



Well that question, I understand; probably nothing?
The frequency may be higher than the internal rectifier can handle, so an external rectifier with higher response diodes can filter the high frequency to DC that the PSU can deal with....

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4476 on: June 25, 2014, 02:47:25 AM »
Hello Wesley,

can you tell me, if this topic is worth translating ?
I can not find any translation in the net:

What is this device in the middle of the two Hendershot-Coils ? It seems that he is showing some important
principle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjzZohyWs3g&list=PLC7684829E98CAD74

Regards Kator01


Well,  the guy is Ham Radio  Operator. RADIOLUBITIEL   радиолюбител


He fallows Hendershot concept of mechanical  motor- generator creating  electrical energy.


He does not yet show his device working by itself but he described  very accurately his vision on how it should be done.
The man is  very open and has no secrets.


The device till now is powered from outside source.
However he shows that mechanical movement of magnetic field or  closing and opening magnet with  soft iron  creates current in the coils and  6V 0.6A
light bulb adjusting frequency of mechanical oscillation upon the load ( when light-bulb
 is exchanged for the  "stronger load" one)




It is interesting from point of view of coil.( shorted coils)
Well it goes to the same brackets as shorted coaxial cable.
There is no much difference  between shorted coil, bifilar coil shorted at the end, coaxial cable shorted at  the end, caduceus and so on.
As strange as it sounds






THERE IS THE SAME MECHANISM THERE.


but to avoid confusion I have in mind just say bifilar shorted at one end or caduceus  or coil that is connected to generator it by itself is shorted piece of wire.

so what is difference?



At certain  frequency ordinary wire that has mili-ohms of resistance for  DC can represent mega-ohms of impedance to AC of that given frequency.
At resonance inductive and capacitive reactance is equal zero so,  at that point it will be  short "DEAD SHORT" to frequency of resonance.
However there is still  present its own pure resistive component  that remains unchanged (such as DC resistance in ohms.)
And there is also dissipation of energy   in resonant circuit due to that   pure resistance (pure resistive component)




Let me think?
  Ideal 50 Ohm resistor made of  Volfram ( tungsten) material  that has very high quality parameters no induction  no capacitance ( components)
in theory should always be 50 Ohm no matter what.








Ok.


There is no ideal world.
but you have got the picture.




So the shorter the wire  we have on the coil  the higher is the resonance frequency of that coil.
We may help   by adding capacitor in series or parallel to play with  capacitive reactance of  the circuit than - not only  coil at that point.
Usually we do that to have less winds on the coil.




So summary:
word later means that I'm not going to that  part  of explanation now.


- coil with          two ends connected to generator  has different impedance  at different frequencies.
- coil bifilar        two ends connected to generator  has different impedance  at different frequencies.However it does have field cancelling effect.( later)
- coil caudeceus  two ends connected to generator  has different impedance  at different frequencies.However it does have field cancelling effect.( later)
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- coil that is shorted and not connected by itself ( like one in Daly or Ruslan device) it represents series or parallel resonance circuit  or mix of them.
Depends physically where at  what point of it we couple with other coils.
also depends from frequency  of resonance ( series , parallel or mix)
Well I'm not sure if I  wrote it perfectly right.
I just envisioned physical LC circuit and its interaction.








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Coaxial cable will have parameters of impedance unchanged but response of coax can be expected only if transmitter (TX) or generator will represent 50 Ohm matching impedance   supplied into  that coax.


But if NOT?
-there is no brainier that interaction of shorted coaxial cable with outside world can  be very extensive at that point.


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The little disappointing is for me that when it comes to basics  or theory   I have no readers.
I'm writing to the thin air.It is like spending time  yelling into the forest.






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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4476 on: June 25, 2014, 02:47:25 AM »
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de modulation Hf > LF 50 Hz
« Reply #4477 on: June 25, 2014, 03:22:32 AM »
Wesley asked why does Dally need rectification .

I think de diodes and Capacitors are used as a filter like in a radio like 00 says,   to filter out the High Frequency component and to remain the LF 50 Hz component

in the Prezi doc it is better picture quality
  http://prezi.com/fiwgtl78it85/donz-device/


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4478 on: June 25, 2014, 04:23:47 AM »

The little disappointing is for me that when it comes to basics  or theory   I have no readers.
I'm writing to the thin air.It is like spending time  yelling into the forest.

Wesley


I for one always read your theory postings.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4478 on: June 25, 2014, 04:23:47 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4479 on: June 25, 2014, 05:08:34 AM »
  quote:
   "The little disappointing is for me that when it comes to basics  or theory   I have no readers.
I'm writing to the thin air.It is like spending time  yelling into the forest."
                                                                                                          end quote.

  You are being heard my friend, and are not alone in the forest, but, theory without hands-on practice is not very convincing, even for oneself.

  What we need to do is test these theories, by making the different coils, circuits, rectifiers, etz... only then will we KNOW for sure. At least someone has to do this.
  Sometimes it takes many words to convey a simple construct, like when a picture is worth a thousand words. How many months, or years, of hard work has it taken for the inventors of the self running devices to obtain these results?  Maybe they also had some help along the way, as well. But, they don't easily give their efforts away, for someone else to benefit economically from it. Can you really blame them...?
  But, we can learn from their efforts, without wasting time going through the same experiments. In order to do this we need real advice, real schematics, and the proper gear for the job.  And this we still don't have,
  I know that we've heard this all before.  Sorry, to bore you...
I'll try to do better... as best as I can, with a little help from my friends.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4480 on: June 25, 2014, 08:36:28 AM »

Thanks 27Bubba, for opening this thread, i put here below the important posts i made in the other thread:


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Thanks for the encouragement T, but as i already was experimenting with coax cable coils, i already was intriged by this selfrunner.

I have a hard time understanding the Russian drawings/text etc, but slowly more info is coming in English.

My first attention is to the main coil, and i came up with the following info (all CW):

L1 = 820t 0.25mm on 4.6cm former (white/orange leads)
L2 = 315t 0.65mm on top of L1     (magnet wire leads to caps)
L3 =  41t 5.9m Coax cable        (probably NOT RG58 as to my knowledge RG58 is always black coated)
L4 =  72t                        (combination of brown and blue cable) not sure what thickness.

 
I started building my coil and use:

cardboard former 5cm:
L1 690t 0.4mm  3.3mH / 14.5 ohm
L2 380t 0.6mm  1.5mH /  0.5 ohm
L3  41t (6m) 75 ohm coax shorted at 1 end
L4  i will use 70t of some kind of wire i have laying around.

Questions for me presently are:

How to create this 1-5ns pulse (my FG generates a 80ns pulse at best)
What is the amplitude of this nano pulse (5v?, 500v?, 5Kv?)
What is the frequency/amplitude and pulse shape on the L1 coil (match the resonance frequency of L2 tank coil?)?

Video to be seen here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUciCy9p3A&feature=youtu.be
I will try to get more to the point in the video's, thus shorther, in the follow ups if any.

Next will be to make some measurements on the coil when pulsed.

Regards Itsu

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Thanks a lot for this info T-1000, so it means that even the creator of this device is not sure about the used wires of his coil.

Well, i finished my main coil and did some measurements/testing, including HV puls testing on the coax.
Here is the data on MY coil:

Cardboard former 5cm od

L1 690t, 0.4mm, 3.3mH, 14.5 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 2.4Mhz   (magnet wire)
L2 380t, 0.6mm, 1.5mH,  0.5 Ohm, resonance with 600nF cap on 5.071Khz (magnet wire)
L3  41t, 75 Ohm coax (tv) foam pe isolation, velocity 78%, 1 end shorted
L4  64t, stranded HV, 72uH, 0.8 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 4.8Mhz (Belden 24Kv HV cable)

Video of the testing here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utkIltw6WrU&feature=youtu.be

Great questions from d3x0r: "How about that toroid? is that a standard component from something?"

I also am looking for data on that toroid, like diameter, type/make, number of windings (4?), number of turns, wire used etc.

Anyway, parts are on order for the Main generator and for the pulser, it will take a while for them to arrive.

Regards Itsu

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d3x0r,

from one of the diagramms i have printed out (i don't find it anymore on the forums, as it seems that data/diagramms are coming and going),  i have got this info:

Ferrite Ring probably 4cm od

Windings 1 and 2 are  3 turns 1.5mm
Windings 3 and 4 are 70 turns 0.6mm

Perhaps this can be confirmed by others.


Regards Itsu

"How to create this 1-5ns pulse (my FG generates a 80ns pulse at best)"
We do not know, that in Dally divice is 1-5 ns pulse. Maybe it and much more nanoseconds. In Topruslan divice pulse width is 50 ns.
"What is the amplitude of this nano pulse (5v?, 500v?, 5Kv?)"
Aplitude also we not know, but I guest, that about 700 V.
"What is the frequency/amplitude and pulse shape on the L1 coil (match the resonance frequency of L2 tank coil?)?"
Frenquency probarly 4.2 kiloherc about. Amplitude I guest about 200 volts. And probarly, yes, much frenquency L2 tank coil.

"I also am looking for data on that toroid, like diameter, type/make, number of windings (4?), number of turns, wire used etc."
About toroid, that I think. Primary turns have 20 windings (20x2). For nanopulser on secondary you must wound to get 100-150 volts. And for L1 coil you must wound to get 200 volts. ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4480 on: June 25, 2014, 08:36:28 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4481 on: June 25, 2014, 08:38:12 AM »
All,

Concerning the main generator (4.6Khz) toroid, i found this diagram which contains some data on it:

http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1226/dally1.GIF

meaning:

Ferrite Ring probably 4cm od

Windings 1 and 2 are  3 turns 1.5mm
Windings 3 and 4 are 70 turns 0.6mm

But looking at the original pictures like Hoppy already mentioned, this does looks more like a commercial
toroid with much more wire on it.

While waiting on my parts to arrive, i was experimenting with a toroid i had laying around, see picture
(2 turns primary / 40 turns secondary), but was blowing up my MOSFET driver chips 4420 (MOSFETS IRF630) :-)

Questions:

# these 3 (or 2 turn) primary, act like a short to the MOSFET's, right?  Should there not be much more turns?
# these primaries (1a and 1b) should be CW and CCW, to work in this push/pull configuration, right?
# the secondaries (ii and iii) can be either CW or CCW, right?

Thanks,  Regards Itsu
http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/dlattach/attach/115321/image//
This picture is from one man, not from Dally. Some people things, that that man replicate Dally divice.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4482 on: June 25, 2014, 09:39:20 AM »
   I know this will at first sound way off topic but it really is all about it. The ATX power
supply is near the same one I tried to power externally a long time ago. I opened the
case and tied my input wires directly to the high voltage cap connectors.

   The input was from my Bedini wheel. The re-captured power was fed directly to the
ATX and it did work. This was woefully under powered but it did work somewhat. It just
goes to show you can.  If using a ATX, just remember you are powering many other output
voltages other than 12V. Using a  110/220 to 12V only would be the best way to go. No
overhead to waste.

   I hope this helps someone here and not just a bunch of dribble.

thay


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4483 on: June 25, 2014, 09:46:00 AM »
Hi to All,

The Chubinidze resonator...

...is wound as in my drawing below?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4484 on: June 25, 2014, 01:09:36 PM »
It really wasn't needed as 00 Utopia and D3 covered it, just attaching this simple AM receiver with diode demodulation. It is the basic way of extracting low acoustic frequencies from high frequency carriers.




 

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