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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11719770 times)

Jeg

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4350 on: June 13, 2014, 01:39:42 PM »

The dimensions of the coax coil and its operating frequency should be very critical if it is important to achieve standing wave superposition.


In the second case (the b case) one might notice that the E and B fields are separated in time (and space).
When a standing wave is induced into a shorted coaxial cable, it is possible to align the nodes and antinodes of the standing wave by folding the cable in such a way that theese nodes are next to each other, e.g. by folding the cable into a serpentine or a helix.  This special arrangement will lead to the superposition of the perpendicular E and B vectors of each fold or turn.


Dear Verpies

Thanks for those excellent info.

I have a question on this. When coax is shorted at the top, then the reflection is at 180 degrees opposite to the transmitted signal at each point of the wire. If we fold it like you describe what will change? It seems that the same situation will continue to happen and the final result will be again a canceling result. Is that true theoretically?

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« Reply #4351 on: June 13, 2014, 05:52:45 PM »
   Thanks guys for your all your help and suggestions. 
   I'll try the additional diode approach as suggested by T-1000, first, as that seams like the easiest solution for both the Mazilli crt, as well as for the Joule Ringer circuit. As both circuits are now running together on the yoke core, but do run hot, especially the Mazilli. Which can only be run for up to 20 seconds or so, before the fets become untouchable. Even when the load is only a single 100 watt bulb. But, the circuit has been tuned to run 650watt worth of bulbs, plus the feed back loop, which has now been connected back to the input, as well.
 
 
  Hoppy: the small zeners conduct both ways when using the conductivity test with the analog meter, both on the circuit as well as by themselves. On the circuit they conduct better one way than the other way, but still conduct both ways.
This is possibly due to them blocking the voltage in one direction, ONLY, when the provided by more than 12v. Or not? Please confirm this if possible.
Regular diodes will test out normally on my meter, conducting in only one direction.

  I've been doing some tests on the Mazilli/yoke circuit, now also with a Joule Ringer crt connected to the output of the yoke's secondary coil, as well as the feed back loop, back to the input side. This has shown some interesting effects.
Looking for that AH HA! moment...
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 08:43:55 PM by NickZ »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4352 on: June 14, 2014, 05:18:22 AM »
  T-1000:
   I tried your suggestion of placing a diode (IN5408) on each side of the yoke's primary coil output. I also tried the UF306 series diode. Neither diodes worked, both types get extremely hot in just seconds, enough to melt their solder. And the Fets are still getting just as hot as running without these diodes.
So, it's back to obtaining the proper zener diodes. I hope that will help.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4353 on: June 14, 2014, 11:46:05 AM »

 
  Hoppy: the small zeners conduct both ways when using the conductivity test with the analog meter, both on the circuit as well as by themselves. On the circuit they conduct better one way than the other way, but still conduct both ways.
This is possibly due to them blocking the voltage in one direction, ONLY, when the provided by more than 12v. Or not? Please confirm this if possible.
Regular diodes will test out normally on my meter, conducting in only one direction.



It would appear that your zeners are faulty given that I am assuming that the other two diodes test OK using the same meter. I say asssume because you do not confirm that you also tested the two regular diodes when removed from circuit.

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« Reply #4354 on: June 15, 2014, 06:58:51 PM »
 Hoppy:
  I have not tested the other two diodes out of the circuit, but I will. I'll also replace those diodes with a couple of UF series diodes to see if there is any difference. Although the diodes that I'm using presently don't heat up at all, as well as the small zeners.
  I've noticed that Itsu has also been using the IRFP260N, on the Akula crt that he is working on at this time, and is also having overheating problems. I don't know if he is using the 18v zeners on that circuit, or not. But, he mentioned previously that he could run his Mazilli/yoke crt on 40 volts.
  I also plan on connecting a 12v 10amp car battery charger that I have as the input source, onto my set up, once I resolve the heating issue. But, I'm trying to avoid burning up more fets, until then.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4355 on: June 17, 2014, 04:25:27 AM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4356 on: June 18, 2014, 08:48:22 PM »
 Rusaln – Dally 300 watt schematic  NEW !!…
 
 
Link to Rusaln latest clip HD and youtube…
 
 
http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/75948948/file.html
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBQeNSObjYw
 
 
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/user/6587-topruslan.html
 
 
 
Acca…

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4357 on: June 18, 2014, 09:19:33 PM »
Rusaln – Dally 300 watt schematic  NEW !!…
 
 
Link to Rusaln latest clip HD and youtube…
 
 
http://www57.zippyshare.com/v/75948948/file.html
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBQeNSObjYw
 
 
http://realstrannik.ru/forum/user/6587-topruslan.html
 
 
 
Acca…


THere are many words that google translate doens't like...


pravelnymi
wish someone would fix 'beef' to 'bifilar' in the translator but I got that
Zdyhaet

Scheme well almost pravelnymi  course that's not as Dali and modernized.
Схема ну почти правельная Конечно всё тут не как у Дали , а модернизированно.



And the earth is connected to the inductor and the beef-coil. Without the rest of the land! If you do not connect the ground, will not start. And if you work in time to tear the earth Zdyhaet PSU (impulsnik) By the way, it is better to convert the voltage of 14 volts. Then the better the system works But to repeat the trick the second time I could not work on another now, and as this ekspanat bude.   


tried to do a context search on pravelnymi but it fits in a great many ideas that are not congruant?  is it... preliminary?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4358 on: June 18, 2014, 09:44:28 PM »
Схема ну почти правельная Конечно всё тут не как у Дали , а модернизированно.

"The circuit is almost accurate. Of course everything here not like at Dally but modernized"

Also for you can take a look on page1 of this thread and also compare against http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/

Cheers!

d3x0r

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4359 on: June 19, 2014, 12:35:40 AM »
"The circuit is almost accurate. Of course everything here not like at Dally but modernized"

Also for you can take a look on page1 of this thread and also compare against http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/

Cheers!
Thanx 'accurate' makes sense.


http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/134730-generatory-kapanadze-obshhaya-tema-2.html?start=3186#222905


some more comments from TOPRuslan... mostly makes sense but he says nothing is grounded except the output.... so how many 'grounds' are there then?  And interestingly enough on Dally seemed everything was tied to the ground point...


"Так вот в одной из коробок в моей установке слева стоит какраз блок питания с такой задержкой. "
"left is my setup kakraz(?) PSU with such a delay"




I see; he also removed the LC tank flywheel... so he's just got a drive coil, the bifilar counter wound coil and the coax...
and a small step-up tl494 in front of the original TL494 to raise that part 24V ... which explains the extra box


@itsu
if you're still around, what were the diodes you found for the DSRD?


Ruslan is still uses the KT926; it is an obsolete part right? like they are no longer being produced?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4360 on: June 19, 2014, 05:14:51 AM »
   If the zeners  are burnt, they won't be doing their job of protecting from overvoltage or current.
Other guys have run this same circuit up to forty volts without overheating the fets, when using the 18v, 5 w zeners. I just can't obtain them here, yet.
WANT ME TO DROP SHIP YOU SOME?
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Central-Semiconductor/CZ5355B/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs0JQbjv5Ir6gmU%2fv1mAlDY

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« Reply #4361 on: June 19, 2014, 12:50:37 PM »
Thanx 'accurate' makes sense.


http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/134730-generatory-kapanadze-obshhaya-tema-2.html?start=3186#222905


some more comments from TOPRuslan... mostly makes sense but he says nothing is grounded except the output.... so how many 'grounds' are there then?  And interestingly enough on Dally seemed everything was tied to the ground point...


"Так вот в одной из коробок в моей установке слева стоит какраз блок питания с такой задержкой. "
"left is my setup kakraz(?) PSU with such a delay"




I see; he also removed the LC tank flywheel... so he's just got a drive coil, the bifilar counter wound coil and the coax...
and a small step-up tl494 in front of the original TL494 to raise that part 24V ... which explains the extra box

...


Ruslan is still uses the KT926; it is an obsolete part right? like they are no longer being produced?
[size=78%]kakraz is как раз (
[/size]just).
"[size=78%]so how many 'grounds' are there then?[/size][size=78%] " [/size]
[size=78%]One.[/size]
"[size=78%]Ruslan is still uses the KT926; it is an obsolete part right? like they are no longer being produced?"[/size]
[size=78%]Yes He use KT926, but he now seems say, that he use mosfet. Yes, then no longer beying producted. I almost shore, that you can replase it with NPN transitor, who have rating 15 amps, minimum 20 MHz and minimum 150 volts colector rating.[/size]
[size=78%]How I understand ground conected only to output bifilar coil and to inductor, how he calling. Like in Dally divice also only to output coil and L1 coil. Only diference, Dally use parallel resonance on L2, but ruslan use series seronance on L1. And L1 is wound latest, how I understand. [/size]

MenofFather

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4362 on: June 19, 2014, 12:59:46 PM »
Here my suggestions, maybe for somebody need.
 :)

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« Reply #4363 on: June 19, 2014, 01:45:38 PM »
Here my suggestions, maybe for somebody need.
 :)

You have to make each coil starting from the one which gives the low frequency, as to each cycle, North and South poles to be in the same coil end. Transformers have to just push or pull. Not push-pull as in alternating current..

See also Akula's drawing

d3x0r

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4364 on: June 19, 2014, 02:24:39 PM »
You have to make each coil starting from the one which gives the low frequency, as to each cycle, North and South poles to be in the same coil end. Transformers have to just push or pull. Not push-pull as in alternating current..

See also Akula's drawing


Your additional dots are not nessicarily right; if I take a bifilar coil and short end-end and drive with ground/power at start-start, I can still pickup a signal to light up an LED with a smaller coil that's conventionally bifilar.... at a frequency that is the same as driving only 1 of the bifilar windings on the primary... although the inductance reading should be near 0.


primary is 134uH, and 134uH, and together they are 30uH (the meter doesn't really read below 14uH)  (30*4 is 120 which would be 2 coils in parallel?)


together resonance is at 3.1Mhz
driving one half or the other the frequency is 2.11Mhz 


so if you assumed that the coil was at 1/4 inductance because of 2 coils in parallel... then the frequency shouldn't be 2/3 (66%)


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Edit: Another test... quad filar coil 2 used... 1 winding is 7.99 mH, another is 9.2mH, together they measure 800uH
Using 1 or the other or both they all make the pickup coil light at 2.1Mhz (but then definitely for these coils, it is really the resonance of the secondary that is dominant when getting the LED to light... (like no matter what i use for a primary, it ends up being a 2.1Mhz frequency... assuming the primary is low enough frequency itself... if it is too high of inductance, it can't respond fast enough to make a 2.1Mhz output... )