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27Bubba

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Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« on: September 18, 2012, 08:17:22 PM »
For those of you who like to read about it from the beginning please refer to page# 925, post #13872 ;D
« Last Edit: September 19, 2012, 01:15:05 AM by 27Bubba »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2012, 09:30:13 PM »
First of all the name is dally, secondly he has dismantled his device, so there is a good chance it will never work again, thirdly the whole presentation is suspicious anyway and fourthly he could be a cousin of Kapanadze indeed. :D

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2012, 09:30:18 PM »
 Hello,
Since there was wish to separate Dally device thread, here are my posts and translation from Russian to English:

solid state devices / Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze « on: September 11, 2012, 09:44:20 PM »   Quote from: TheCell on September 11, 2012, 09:26:37 PM<blockquote>@FreeEnergyInfo


Thanks for the info of the successfully l__ped device.
Obviously Polysterene (here in the coax cable) is the key .
Romero mentioned in his site some remarkable results with pulsing
capacitors with polysterene as a dialectric. Did not speak out clearly
for some reason. Please put replication info as a copy in english here
on this site.
</blockquote>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sEzNlzk-0Q&feature=em-uploademail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDab7cIW1I&feature=em-uploademail

The coax cable is shorted in one end there. And its windings are in same way as all coils. The standing wave is being generated in nanosecond high voltage impulses to coax cable entrance from second generator and first generator provides main frequency to coil on same selenoid. The output is from third coil. (Remember TK 200W device with coax?)

The standing wave is very short pulses with high voltage from second frequency source and are angled in 90 degrees to transformer primary disrupting normal transformer function from primary frequency current source is the key to this device also is common concept to our NMR yoke device.

P.S> if you loose this bit you will never understand how NMR/TK/Yoke/Romanov and other devices work...

  solid state devices / Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze « on: September 12, 2012, 09:28:15 AM »  Quote from: TheCell on September 11, 2012, 10:03:47 PM<blockquote>@T-1000
NMR ?! He uses no ferrit core. Where should it happen ?
He uses a primary coil , on top of that a resonance coil, on top of that the coax and then the pickup coil.
I will never understand this completely, and don't have any ambition to achieve goals that I can't reach. Practical examples are the most adorables. And I think it can be simplyfied : A primary coil on that a coax triggered by a spark gap (of a plasma globe for example) and a pickup coil.
Another simple ou device would be a radio tube using the electron avalanche effect (like Tiger did)


..and I recommend using google chrome which can translate websites online.
</blockquote>
NMR can happen in any matter and wires themselves are not exception.
The core got only bigger mass so you do not need large coils for same effect.

Quote from: verpies on September 12, 2012, 01:58:43 PM<blockquote>Google translator does not produce technically accurate translations, and does not translate the text on the bitmap diagrams at all.
People who do not know the Russian language cannot benefit from the Russian forums.

They are at the mercy of native Russian speakers to summarize and post English diagrams and text here or other english forums.
</blockquote>
Wesley already tried to translate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amZxIpg5nP4#t=0h16m2s
EDIT: New URL - www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHBEHOOsxT4#t=0h21m12s

My comment on this:
 As far as I see the second generator with coax cable winded on selenoid is between primary and output coil and there is resonant ballast LC coil is between coax and primary. The coax cable function seems to be disruption of main tarnsformer energy transfer from primary to output what got LC resonant ballast coil of ~4.6kHz in middle of those 2 coils. The coax cable is shorted on one end and nanosecond sawtooth pulses ~1khz are fed into its another end. That makes short living standing wave between primary and output coil. Everything else should be checked experimentally.
To test in short: wind primary on air core selenoid->wind resonant ballast LC coil in middle of selenoid->wind coax->wind secondary to output. Then feed main frequency into primary->resonate LC coil->connect load->see conventional transformer energy transfer->feed HV sawtooth impulses of 1/4 frequency and duty cycle <10%(spark gap peak waveform) into coax cable for standing wave pulses->loop back output into input->see if you can self run device. Avoid multilayer windings, test with single layer coils first.
Woopy, Itsu and a.king, this is a job for you TODO ASAP (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

 Cheers!

  solid state devices / Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze « on: September 16, 2012, 02:46:30 AM »  Itsu, watsup:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-244.html#post208715

 http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/ - Dally blog web page for those who are interested.
 
 "Ну и теперь по теме , то есть по установке:
 Ð’ установке два генератора , один генератор раскачивает преобразователь на ферритовом трансформаторе для питания генератора наносекундных импульсов и соответственно для подачи напряжения на катушку, далее катушка: состоит из кластикового каркаса и содержит 3 обмотки, одна обмотка - провод приблизительно 0,25- 0,3мм (точно скажу только когда разберу ее с точными замерами, когда-то мотал мини Теслу, потом она обрастала дополнительными обмотками в ходе экспериментов ). Далее поверх нее обмотка проводом 0,65мм (назовем ее резонансная , она подключена только на конденсаторы 1,5мкф Ñ… 400в). Далее обмотка коаксиалом 50ом( ранее применялся в компьютерных сетях) получается бифиляр - конец обмотки закорочен - нагружен на генератор наносекундных импульсов.
 ÐÑƒ и сверху намотана обмотка для съема.
 
 ÐžÐ±Ð¼Ð¾Ñ‚ка съема нагружена на диодный мост, после диодного моста стоят конденсаторы (Обязательно не полярные! Полярные не выдерживают и прошивают или за несколько секунд надуваются!)
 ÐŸÐ¾ÑÐ»Ðµ выпрямителя я нагрузил лампой 20 Ð’Ñ‚ ну и соответственно блок питания для самозапитки.
 ÐÐ¾ еще, у меня блок питания заработал только из четырех один, причем старый АТ. Один не заработал вообще, два быстро вышли из строя.
 
 Ð”иодный мост между конденсаторами и катушкой обязателен! Без него нет стабильности работы! Если кто то будет меня учить схемотехнике - я знаю, что в блоке питания стоит свой диодный мост, но так работает намного лучше."
 
 Here is translation

 "And now about circuit:
 The device has two generators. One generator excites inverter for powering up second generator of nanosecond pulses and powers up main coil. Next - the coils. The coils is winded on plastic core material and contain 3 windings:
 First with wire about 0,25-0,3mm (will say exact measurements when I will unwind coils. It is ex-Tesla coil with additional windings added in later experiments). Next coil is on top of first is resonant coil with wire diameter 0,65mm (will call it resonant coil because it has connected only capacitor with capacity 1,5 micro farrads x 400V). Next coil is 50 Ohm coaxial cable (earler it was used as computers network cable) - it becomes bifilar because one end is shorted and second end is connected into generator of nanosecond pulses.  And the last coil on top is secondary for load.
 
 The secondary coil is loaded to diode bridge and after diod bridge there are capacitors (must be unipolar! polar are not lasting long and get broken over few seconds!)
 After diode bridge I did connected load of 20W and computer ATX power supply for self running circuit.
 But additionally, only one from 4 power supply started to work and it was old AT PS. One did not worked at all and 3 blew up.
 
 The diode bridge between capacitors and secondary coil is a must! Without it there is no stability in working circuit! If somoeone would try to teach me about circuits - I already know about diodes bridge in power suply but wit additional diode bridge it works better."

Good luck!

  solid state devices / Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze « on: September 16, 2012, 04:33:51 PM »  http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post235235326/

About fndings of effect:
"
Эффект был замечен случайно , когда настраивал Г.Н.С. в качестве оправки для намотки коаксиала использовал старую мини Теслу.
но на ней была намотана еще одна обмотка проводом 0,65 и я пытался на ней добиться хорошей искры, настраивал ГНС и как то подключил к ней емкость, и получил хороший удар током. Совсем не похожий на обжигающее прикосновение ВВ ВЧ. Тут дальше пошли эксперименты именно в этом направлении. Я не претендую, что моя конструкция является самой оптимальной, но самое важное я получил, и буду работать дальше оптимизируя и изучая данное явление и установку.
"

Translation:
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The effect was found accidentally when I was tuning GNP (generator of nanosecond pulses). As base core I used old mini-Tesla. But on it I winded one more coil with wire diameter 0,65mm and I tried to get good sparks discharge on it and when was tunning GNP I randomly atached capacitor. Then got shocked by current unexpectly. This was not anything like touching high frequency secondary coil of TT. This is where there was more experiments specially in this direction.  I do not pretend about best construction of circuit but I did got most important thing in it and will be working more with device optimisation and learning about current effect and device
"

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post235235706/
"
Еще одна ВАЖНАЯ деталь- БЕЗ ХОРОШЕГО ЗАЗЕМЛЕНИЯ - НЕ РАБОТАЕТ!!!!!!!!!!!!
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One additional very important detail - without good grounding - it does not work!!!
"

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/403/91403766_Generator.JPG

http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/467/91467647_100_6327.JPG

  solid state devices / Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze « on: September 17, 2012, 11:51:45 PM »  http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post237839624/

"
 ÐšÐ°Ñ‚ушка
   
Внутреннее устройство, хотел написать трансформатора, но как то назвать трансформатором сложно.
1 фото - общий вид
2-фото -48 витков
3-фото -59 витков
4-фото -66 витков
5-фото -70 витков
Итого: верхняя обмотка 83 витка.
Под ней: коаксиал - 21 виток RG50U.(фото 7, (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Под коаксиалом 159 витков провода 0,85 мм.(фото 9,10)
Далее 475 витков провода 0,33 (фото 11,12,13,14)
"

"
Coil:
The internal device, wanted to say it is transformer but it is hard to name it as transfomer.
1 photo - general view
2 photo - 48 turns
3 photo - 59 turns
4 photo - 66 turns
5 photo - 70 turns
Total: top coil 83 turns
Under it: coax cable - 21 turns RG50U (photo 7,8)  (translation addition: 50 Ohm computer network cable)
Under coax cable: 159 turns coil, the wire diameter 0,85mm (photo 9, 10)
Next: 475 turns coil, wire diameter 0,33mm (photo 11,12,13,14)
"

http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684490_100_6334.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684491_100_6335.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684492_100_6336.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684493_100_6337.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684499_100_6338.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684503_100_6339.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684508_100_6340.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684509_100_6341.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684510_100_6342.JPG
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684511_100_6343.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684512_100_6344.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684514_100_6345.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684516_100_6346.JPG
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/6/91/684/91684518_100_6347.JPG

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee/post237842919/

"Натраивать с подключенным заземлением.
 ÐÐ°ÑÑ‚раивается с помощью генератора на TL путем подбора частоты и скважности.
"
"
Tune with Earth ground connection attached.
Gets tunned with help of TL generator when tinkering with frequency and duty cycle.
"

So all details now, good luck in replication!

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 12:30:23 AM »
The standing wave is very short pulses with high voltage from second frequency source and are angled in 90 degrees to transformer primary disrupting normal transformer function from primary frequency current source is the key to this device also is common concept to our NMR yoke device.
Yes, NMR requires a polarizing field and another perturbing field oriented 90degrees to the former.  However how does the pulsed coaxial cable produce this perpendicular field, if it is wound parallel to the other windings ?

Also, wouldn't NMR be better with a deliberate resonating matter besides the plastic silicon dispensing tube (coil bobbin) and the copper wires themselves?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 12:54:06 AM »
Yes, NMR requires a polarizing field and another perturbing field oriented 90degrees to the former.  However how does the pulsed coaxial cable produce this perpendicular field, if it is wound parallel to the other windings ?

Also, wouldn't NMR be better with a deliberate resonating matter besides the plastic silicon dispensing tube (coil bobbin) and the copper wires themselves?

When you introduce standing wave its vector is 90 degrees from B field.

Deliberate resonating matter will make lots of noise (heat) and it would be stone age approach.

Please see www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OrPCNVSA4o for simple explanation.
The large magnet there is your current in transformer's first signal and small magnet on 90 degrees is your second voltage high frequency peaks signal from coax/other standing wave source on wires atom level.

In Dally device coax cable stands between primary LC circuit and secondary coil to output so it is same as small magnet in that simulation. Also in addition there is 1/4 of coil length sitting in same line with coax cable and is part of secondary coil.

Hopefully that explains something in general understanding for basic building blocks of OU devices.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2012, 01:17:54 AM »
First of all the name is dally, secondly he has dismantled his device, so there is a good chance it will never work again, thirdly the whole presentation is suspicious anyway and fourthly he could be a cousin of Kapanadze indeed. :D

Regards

Thanks for pointing this out, I have corrected it, I think.. ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2012, 01:27:06 AM »
" Hello,
Since there was wish to separate Dally device thread, here are my posts and translation from Russian to English:"

@T-1000

Thanks for doing it, is good to have some references nearby.. ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2012, 03:38:03 AM »
Thanks for pointing this out, I have corrected it, I think.. ;)

Give us today our dally free energy. Forgive us our ignorance as we forgive those who hide this secret from us. 8)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2012, 04:53:49 AM »
from http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee posted Monday, 10 September 2012 12:18

google translated:
Quote
For coax - within one conductor - copper but which is very tough, not magnets.
  internal insulation polyethylene, well at least transparent, and aluminum foil on top of the screen, tinned copper.

much of the time white sheathed RG58 coax is plenum rated.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2012, 06:21:59 AM »
from http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee posted Monday, 10 September 2012 12:18

google translated:
much of the time white sheathed RG58 coax is plenum rated.


google's translator isn't great, try writing 'magnet wire' or 'varnished wire' in translator to russian and reverse translate what it gives you....




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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2012, 08:40:01 AM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2012, 10:09:40 AM »
For those of you who like to read about it from the beginning please refer to page# 925, post #13872 ;D


Thanks 27Bubba, for opening this thread, i put here below the important posts i made in the other thread:


============================================================================================
Thanks for the encouragement T, but as i already was experimenting with coax cable coils, i already was intriged by this selfrunner.

I have a hard time understanding the Russian drawings/text etc, but slowly more info is coming in English.

My first attention is to the main coil, and i came up with the following info (all CW):

L1 = 820t 0.25mm on 4.6cm former (white/orange leads)
L2 = 315t 0.65mm on top of L1     (magnet wire leads to caps)
L3 =  41t 5.9m Coax cable        (probably NOT RG58 as to my knowledge RG58 is always black coated)
L4 =  72t                        (combination of brown and blue cable) not sure what thickness.

 
I started building my coil and use:

cardboard former 5cm:
L1 690t 0.4mm  3.3mH / 14.5 ohm
L2 380t 0.6mm  1.5mH /  0.5 ohm
L3  41t (6m) 75 ohm coax shorted at 1 end
L4  i will use 70t of some kind of wire i have laying around.

Questions for me presently are:

How to create this 1-5ns pulse (my FG generates a 80ns pulse at best)
What is the amplitude of this nano pulse (5v?, 500v?, 5Kv?)
What is the frequency/amplitude and pulse shape on the L1 coil (match the resonance frequency of L2 tank coil?)?

Video to be seen here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUciCy9p3A&feature=youtu.be
I will try to get more to the point in the video's, thus shorther, in the follow ups if any.

Next will be to make some measurements on the coil when pulsed.

Regards Itsu

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Thanks a lot for this info T-1000, so it means that even the creator of this device is not sure about the used wires of his coil.

Well, i finished my main coil and did some measurements/testing, including HV puls testing on the coax.
Here is the data on MY coil:

Cardboard former 5cm od

L1 690t, 0.4mm, 3.3mH, 14.5 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 2.4Mhz   (magnet wire)
L2 380t, 0.6mm, 1.5mH,  0.5 Ohm, resonance with 600nF cap on 5.071Khz (magnet wire)
L3  41t, 75 Ohm coax (tv) foam pe isolation, velocity 78%, 1 end shorted
L4  64t, stranded HV, 72uH, 0.8 Ohm, selfresonant (so no cap) on 4.8Mhz (Belden 24Kv HV cable)

Video of the testing here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utkIltw6WrU&feature=youtu.be

Great questions from d3x0r: "How about that toroid? is that a standard component from something?"

I also am looking for data on that toroid, like diameter, type/make, number of windings (4?), number of turns, wire used etc.

Anyway, parts are on order for the Main generator and for the pulser, it will take a while for them to arrive.

Regards Itsu

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d3x0r,

from one of the diagramms i have printed out (i don't find it anymore on the forums, as it seems that data/diagramms are coming and going),  i have got this info:

Ferrite Ring probably 4cm od

Windings 1 and 2 are  3 turns 1.5mm
Windings 3 and 4 are 70 turns 0.6mm

Perhaps this can be confirmed by others.


Regards Itsu

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Yes d3x0r, you are right,  forget about the mentioned toroid.  It would be more like 4cm od, but the windings/turns could be accurate.

I have editted the original post to read toroid probably 4cm od.

By the way, i found the missing diagram, its on this webside:
http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1226/dally1.GIF

The Russian text in the middle is to my understanding the data on the TP

Itsu

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Hoppy,

the line in the middle of the drawing (Трансформатор на феррите от Бп ATX)  translate via google into: Ferrite transformer from the PSU ATX

So i guess its a mistake on the transformer symbol and it really is a ferrite based transformer.

Regards Itsu

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Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2012, 10:39:31 AM »
All,

Concerning the main generator (4.6Khz) toroid, i found this diagram which contains some data on it:

http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/1226/dally1.GIF

meaning:

Ferrite Ring probably 4cm od

Windings 1 and 2 are  3 turns 1.5mm
Windings 3 and 4 are 70 turns 0.6mm

But looking at the original pictures like Hoppy already mentioned, this does looks more like a commercial
toroid with much more wire on it.

While waiting on my parts to arrive, i was experimenting with a toroid i had laying around, see picture
(2 turns primary / 40 turns secondary), but was blowing up my MOSFET driver chips 4420 (MOSFETS IRF630) :-)

Questions:

# these 3 (or 2 turn) primary, act like a short to the MOSFET's, right?  Should there not be much more turns?
# these primaries (1a and 1b) should be CW and CCW, to work in this push/pull configuration, right?
# the secondaries (ii and iii) can be either CW or CCW, right?

Thanks,  Regards Itsu


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2012, 11:11:06 AM »
Thanks a lot for this info T-1000, so it means that even the creator of this device is not sure about the used wires of his coil.
Appears so.
The dimensions of the coax coil and its operating frequency should be very critical if it is important to achieve standing wave superposition.

The following deserves a 3D animation of a standing wave in a coaxial cable but since I cannot find one at the moment, I'll have to use too many words. Sorry about that.

The standing wave in a transmission line (e.g. a coax) is created by the sum of two waves traveling in opposite directions - the forward (incident) wave created by the signal generator and the backward (reflected) wave created by a shorted (or open) end of the transmission line.
The two waves interfere constructively and destructively (add up and subtract) forming stationary nodes and antinodes. The resulting standing wave has twice the amplitude of the incident and reflected waves. This can be seen here.

In any EM wave, the electric (E) vector and magnetic (B) vector is always mutually perpendicular, however there is a difference in the temporal distribution of the E and B vectors between a standing wave and traveling wave. Namely:
a) In a traveling wave the E vector is at the maximum when the B vector is at the maximum (0 degree phase difference). See here.
b) In a standing wave the E vector is at the maximum when the B vector is at the minimum (90 degree phase difference). See the attached picture (unfortunately not a 3D animation)

In the second case (the b case) one might notice that the E and B fields are separated in time (and space).
When a standing wave is induced into a shorted coaxial cable, it is possible to align the nodes and antinodes of the standing wave by folding the cable in such a way that theese nodes are next to each other, e.g. by folding the cable into a serpentine or a helix.  This special arrangement will lead to the superposition of the perpendicular E and B vectors of each fold or turn.

For this to happen in a coil (helix) the distance between the nodes of the standing wave has to be equal to the circumference of each helical turn of the coaxial cable.

@Itsu
Can you visualize this without the 3D animation?

Since you are an experimenter, I suggest that you visualize the standing wave in a straight shorted coax (fed by your signal generator) just like this guy here.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2012, 11:55:13 AM »
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@Itsu
Can you visualize this without the 3D animation?

I can create this picture in my mind, yes.
As an (inactive) HAM radio amateur i struggled with standing waves on coax many times (to get them go away :-) )


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For this to happen the distance between the nodes of the standing wave has to be equal to the circumference of each helical turn of the coaxial cable.

This means that for my shorted 41 turns coax coil of 6 meters length i have to have a node every 14.6cm (6/41).
Having 2 nodes/wavelength, this means a wavelength of 29.2cm = 1GHz.   Correct?

By the way,  great links again, i will do some time domain tests on my coax.

Regards Itsu.