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T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #900 on: December 02, 2012, 05:18:56 PM »
@verpies:

Special for you and other confused people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKi7ol12c4#t=0h11m20s

This is where exciter(Katcher "K" in video) goes into coil belonging to series resonant LC circuit - in last turns of coil where voltage is minimum and amperage is maximum.
Also it was said you can have parallel single wire to those last turns from exciter because all we need is high voltage BEMF with minimal current for mixing up with current and minimum voltage in main coil.

In regards to magnetostriction it is good as long as it is under control before mechanical breaking point.

Good luck!

TinselKoala

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #901 on: December 02, 2012, 09:13:24 PM »
Ammeters don't measure energy, and neither do fancy voltmeters (oscilloscope traces). 400 V p-p spikes on a 200 v p-p signal don't prove "OU".

Scopes can be used to demonstrate overunity performance, by doing instantaneous multiplication of voltage and current at the load and then computing and displaying the integral over a suitable time period of that instantaneous power function, and comparing that energy integral with one obtained on the input values for the same time period. Energy out, compared to energy in, during an appropriate interval.

This is the completely accepted and standard way of doing electronic energy balance tests using scoposcopy .... and I do not think I have ever seen anyone actually using their fancy digital oscilloscopes in this manner here. Except me, of course, during the Orbo investigations. You need a 4 ch scope with live math capable of integrating a product of two traces.... and this is beyond the capability of the low-end DSOs that are available to the home experimenter, usually. I'm lucky because I can borrow one when I need it. But the same thing can be done even on a 2-channel analog scope, with care and patience. The DSO can do "live" what it takes two hours to do on the Analog system, and with slightly better precision... but not with much better accuracy.


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #902 on: December 02, 2012, 09:28:43 PM »
I think the simplest way to demonstrate overunity is self-running the device, in other words, having it power itself plus additional load. Of course, measurements will always be necessary, but, the only unquestionable way to prove it is self-running.

verpies

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #903 on: December 02, 2012, 10:33:33 PM »
Scopes can be used to demonstrate overunity performance, by doing instantaneous multiplication of voltage and current at the load and then computing and displaying the integral over a suitable time period of that instantaneous power function, and comparing that energy integral with one obtained on the input values for the same time period. Energy out, compared to energy in, during an appropriate interval.
...or a selfrunner over a long period of time.
If everyone thought like you about power measurements, then life would be too beautiful.

This is the completely accepted and standard way of doing electronic energy balance tests using scoposcopy .... and I do not think I have ever seen anyone actually using their fancy digital oscilloscopes in this manner here.
Itsu really tried, but his scope firmware insisted on multiplying the pixels on the screen instead of samples from his A/D converters :(

Except me, of course, during the Orbo investigations.
Please write a summary of your measurements during the Orbo investigation.  Maybe this is not the best place for it, so please post it here.

You need a 4 ch scope with live math capable of integrating a product of two traces....
Why 4 channels for 2 traces?

The DSO can do "live" what it takes two hours to do on the Analog system, and with slightly better precision... but not with much better accuracy.
Yes, digital scopes have the problem of multiplying 2 quantization errors that are inherent in all A/D conversions.
This becomes pretty bad if a 10-bit ADC outputs only 16 levels of its analog input waveform because of inappropriate input pre-amplification.
There is a huge difference in quantization error between 16 levels and 1024 levels and even more when two such errors are multiplied and integrated.

What do you think of an idea of giving/selling "the people" a cheapo wattmeter adapter for an ordinary multimeter, based on a 2GHz precision analog multiplier ( e.g. the ADL5391 costing $7 ) ?

A crude attempt to construct such device, with an inferior AD633 multiplier, can be seen at the URL below:
http://danyk.wz.cz/wmetr_en.html

T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #904 on: December 02, 2012, 10:36:59 PM »
Here is simplified circuit (modded from original tiger's circuit) to play around with L1C1 resonance in series and 1T (1 turn) max amps lowest voltage mixing point + load from last 1T for seeing if there are any effect at all. It should be same principles involvig in Dally circuit replication and I do not see any other way than coax cable with nanopulser same as in circuit below:

itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #905 on: December 02, 2012, 11:41:02 PM »

@All,

i put all components on 1 tray, including an ATX PS which feeds it all.
Now the big tuning can begin.
Both the tl494 and the nano-pulser are at about 4.2Khz (resonance of the L2 coil)

At the moment i am at 1/10 of the needed output (22V DC), so still a long way to go.
Sweeping through the frequencies does not show any sweet (hot) spot yet.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDd8hdNZIqo&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu


T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #906 on: December 02, 2012, 11:48:13 PM »
@All,

i put all components on 1 tray, including an ATX PS which feeds it all.
Now the big tuning can begin.
Both the tl494 and the nano-pulser are at about 4.2Khz (resonance of the L2 coil)

At the moment i am at 1/10 of the needed output (22V DC), so still a long way to go.
Sweeping through the frequencies does not show any sweet (hot) spot yet.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDd8hdNZIqo&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

Thanks Itsu for hard work.

Also there is small problem: your nanopulser is making spikes in both ways at once over sine wave and that is killing process... You might try to adjust it at least for half wave and try to get shooting it on top of sine wave or into opposite but not both ways.

Cheers!

verpies

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #907 on: December 03, 2012, 12:23:25 AM »
I put all components on 1 tray, including an ATX PS which feeds it all.
Now the big tuning can begin.
It's odd that the nanopulses are getting out of the coax and influencing the other windings.
In an ideal coax all of the fields should be contained inside of it.
That's the first anomaly ...or a leaky coax.

Do the nanopulses on L1 or L2 disappear if you disconnect the coax (L3) ?

T-1000 seems to be implying insider's knowledge about this system thus it might be prudent to try his suggestions at this stage.

If you run out of options, I can help you to connect the output of U1 to U3 via some resistive dividers in order to achieve perfect phase synchronization between the L1 sinewave and nanopulses.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #908 on: December 03, 2012, 12:46:14 AM »
@itsu:
I had about the same voltage at L4, then I made L1 in a cardboard cylinder so I could slide it in and out of the other three coils. That made a huge difference, and now I can get almost 160V at L4, depending on how much of L1 goes inside the other three coils. I think your L4 has more turns than mine ( mine has 59 turns), so, it is likely that you'll be able to get the 200V.

Another thing I did was to connect a wire in the VCO, at the junction of the two 1 K resistors that go to the frequency adjustment pot, and I just wound that wire on one of the wires that go to L1( to get some capacitive coupling) and I could synchronize the pulse with the top of the sine wave in L4. Then, I started to get some strange waveforms, mainly a low frequency modulation, which I'm trying to understand now.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #909 on: December 03, 2012, 08:33:22 AM »
Itsunadze привет !!

You are now on targeting!!  :D

I was watching your video. Good to see that all you need you have completed and putted on your desk. Why don't you put your videos in public so many people can watching it. It very interesting to all who enjoy in electronics especially Free Energy researchers.
I will try to help you with timing from Tiger2007 ou-generator 150-200Watts. I sent a message to Dally to answer me on some important questions. Still now i haven't contact from him. I still expect his oscillograms and some important measurements. Will see what's will happened very soon !!

BTW in my opinion problem with all replications is absence of "Syncronization" between master oscillator and Nano-Pulser. I studied Tiger2007 schematic and i found precise syncronization in his ou-generator.  Also many other r esearcher schematics have syncronization. Imagine you are in war for example Alien reptiles-anunnaki and you shooting on your enemy randomly without tarheting. What is probability to kill any alien on that way. Very very low. So in that and in Dally case you need a precize targeting!

Look at Tiger2007 schematics and try to do exactly on his way. Go on Antanas site on Tiger2007 thread and watch some Tiger2007 videos. For example Tiger2007 economizer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwH_xOA2ajQ

Link is http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/tiger/

Tiger has used ferrite in his generator and you using Coaxila cable. It's a big difference but i think you have pretty good understanding of process and skills to finish your job. Even if you success to get 40-60 Watt of Free energy it isn't mean that your work was finished.  No need to stop untill you can harvest several KWatts of Free Energy. I wish you success.

ps. Remember Dally have a problem with looping his OU generator. From 6 Power Supply Units he found only one which have finished looping job. I still don't know correct frequencies on his generator. Also will be good to try grounding on different points of your coax, from input and output side and try pulsing not central conductor but shielding cooper braid. (with and without grounding central conductor or end of coax where conductor and coax make single conection. In any case need some additional Time-domain reflectometry experiments but not to mesure reflections of pulses, to extract as much power as you can.

Also take atention BlackBird idea to make L1 coil movable through the other three coils. Try for the fisrt time to put and slide some cooper rods or better ferrite rods just for experiments.  Also if you can turn off Nano-Pulser and measure output without excitation of your coax.

I have readed on Realstrannik forum and found some interesting syncronization schematic from Realstrannik memeber SE-TPU. Link is: http://realstrannik.ru/forum/48-temy-freeenergylt-antanasa/81877-kak-nanosekundnyj-generator-sobrat-i-nastroit.html?limit=18&start=702

It's a simplest zero-crossing detector which monitor voltage on coil #3 on TR2 (Transformer2) and give +5V pulse on each zero-croossing waveform. Pulse going on pin 1 of КР1554ЛА3 and start Nano-Pulser. In my opinion syncronization pulse need to be produced from coil #4 Tr2 which is infact L1 coil because coils 3 and 4 are out of phase to each other. But maybe the best way for experiments is to get 2 zero-crossing detector on coil 3 and 4 respectively. You can add some pulsing dealy networks in form of simple differentiators RC networks for trimming initial delay. In any case detector have only few components more but give you a great chance to start REAL-OU-SHOW. As you Americans says SHOW MUST GO ON !!

Regards Сергей В.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #910 on: December 03, 2012, 11:31:18 AM »

Thank you all for your suggestions, but i would like to first try to get some results with using this basic "Dally" concept which to my knowledge does not use any (elaborate) syncing circuitry between the oscillators.

I know my setup is very different from the original setup, but the basic ingredients are there, so in principle it should/could work

Concerning the effect of the nano-pulse, it only adds spikes onto the L4 signal, it does not increase the basic sine wave level (50V pp), so with or without the nano-pulse, the sine wave (and the rectified dc) stays at the same level (22V dc which lights a 12V/21W bulb at 50%).

I do sometimes notice a spontaneous sync between the both oscillators as that the L4 signal stays steady for minutes with both the sine wave and the superimposed spike fixed in relation to each other.

Regards Itsu


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #911 on: December 03, 2012, 03:42:16 PM »
It's interesting to watch the evolution of the circuitry happening in this thread. The 494-based system with the current phase transformer that Sergey V. posted is getting close to the driver circuitry for my TinselKoil v. 2.0 sstc. I use a full H-bridge of bipolar transistors instead of the half-bridge shown in his diagram, to drive two separate phase transformers, each a trifilar wound toroid. The two anti-phase outputs of each toroid are then used to drive the gates of a second full H-bridge of power mosfets which are switching the primary current to the resonator's 5-turn primary, through a heavy DC blocking capacitor. Using this system I get a pretty good sharp rising edge to the excitation pulse which then produces a nice high voltage swing in the primary winding which then allows the resonator's secondary to ring, and since my drive is at the same frequency as the ring I get massive voltage amplification through standing wave resonance in the secondary resonator. From 170 v p-p at the input to the mosfet H-bridge, to well over 200 kV at the output of the secondary resonator.
This is just an aside comment, really nothing to do with the efforts to make nanopulses, I just was struck by the similarity of design and function to what I'm using for the sstc. Carry on, I need a good nanopulser too, my DP101 can't do faster than about 100 ns risetime any more ....
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #912 on: December 04, 2012, 11:51:58 AM »

Thanks TK, i can see the similarities allthough the goals are different, interesting.

All,

i did some further testing, and found the following:

# L1 and L2 do not show the nano-pulse (as the voltages on these 2 coils are much higher (350/250V sine wave) it could be that i do not "see" them).

# putting the nano-pulse on the L3 coax coil shield does not change the L4 signal (same 50V sine wave with nano-pulses superimposed on it).
However, it is impossible to measure the pulse with my HV-probe as my scope if heavily influenced by the spiking and scrolls through its menus spontaneously.

# capacitively syncing the VCO on the L1 coil like mentioned by Black_Bird does not work as the VCO signal stays in control.
However, when both the tl494 and the VCO are tuned to almost the same frequency (4.2Khz), there seems to be a spontaneously lock which could last for minutes, but no special effects resulting from this lock.

# the L4 signal with or without the nano-pulse active is about the same value (50V sine wave).
The nano-pulse only adds spikes to this sine wave signal, but does not increase this nor does the rectified dc on the output cap show any increase (could be my UF4007 diodes are to slow for these pulses?).

# increasing the nano-pulse repetition frequency (needed to increase the number of pulses superimposed on the L4 signal like proposed by T-1000 and Сергей В) severely decreases the nano-pulse output and shows no special effect else then more (smaller) pulses superimposed on the L4 base sine wave.

# Trying to wrap my head around the advices from T-1000 (your nanopulser is making spikes in both ways at once over sine wave and that is killing process) and Сергей В (correct excitation!! Important: stop on peak!!), but this is easier said then done, and does not fit the original Dally design.


Regards Itsu.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #913 on: December 04, 2012, 08:36:42 PM »
Trying to wrap my head around the advices from T-1000 (your nanopulser is making spikes in both ways at once over sine wave and that is killing process) and Сергей В (correct excitation!! Important: stop on peak!!), but this is easier said then done, and does not fit the original Dally design.
I cannot promise that following these advices will lead to success because I do not understand the principles standing behind them but with additional circuitry, I can help you disable the nanopulses between 90deg. and 180deg. as well as between 270deg. and 0deg. of the sinewave cycle. 
Just let me know, when you decide to go that way...

BTW: Are waveforms in L1 and L2 and L4 synchronized in phase already ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #914 on: December 04, 2012, 10:07:17 PM »
@itsu, @ verpies
My thoughts on Dally's working principle:
First, I want to make clear that this is still a conjecture.
I think the process has to be a non-linear one - if it were not so, you would have energy pouring out of any circuit with a tuned circuit. So, circuits with linear inductors, capacitors, resistors, voltage and current supplies, by themselves, cannot present an OU behavior. There has to be, at least, one non-linear element where the energy exchange takes place.
in Dally's device, the only place where this can happen is in the inverter transformer, with a ferrite/iron core. Contrary to what I thought at first, the important interaction is not between the nanopulser output and L2/L4, but with L1, which will convey the nano pulse to the inverter winding that feeds L1. The nano pulse provides a trigger to the event.
The question is: how does this happen inside the transformer core, what does the nanopulser exactly trigger?
In the operation of the inverter, the B field "walks" over the histeresis curve of the core, normally away from the saturation extremes. When the nano pulse is applied, it shoots the core deeply in saturation, creating a kind of modulation of the core permeability. This core permeability change implies in a change in the secondary and primary inductance values. With the correct relationship between the inverter frequency and nanopulser frequency, and correct phase alignment, this could lead to parametric amplification, that would explain the increased energy at the output.
The roles of L2 and L4 would only be wave shaping (sine wave at L2) and impedance matching to the load (L4).

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