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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11718317 times)

d3x0r

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7260 on: November 29, 2014, 11:41:08 AM »
so this mazilli...


which somewhat resembles the situation... a mazilli on a ferrite core as a push-pull on a third winding (of higher inductance)...
having troubles getting it to run... or it starts and gets into a condition and fails with both mosfets open.
I've run into that using the on switch for incandescent loads... since the potential is drained so rapidly to start... and what's good for pushing a low pressure isn't as good at pushing a high pressure (and vice versa)... something like if you get to 1.1KV, if you use too much and go down to 850kV the system stops being albe to fill optimally... and falls off even more... and disconnecting the load that caused the problem isn't always enough ... sometimes you have to reset power on the whole thing...


I'm having a lot of heat on my mosfets... which is usually a fuzzy switching... which I actually found; at this point of good output, both sides are on about 30% of the time... overlapping the turn off of one and turn on of the other... and I suspect it's the feedback from both coils being on the same core...
it's just when the side going low on the collector hits the on threshold... it takes a long time to continue down; maybe there's a much larger gate capacitance... but at that point it has to decide to be between 0 and Th volts so at Th9/10 V... then I guess the pullup resistor has more bearing...so it's more likely to be toward the voltage side than the ground side... (just musing; cause of course I know more than ..... )
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7261 on: November 29, 2014, 12:15:53 PM »
To whom it may concern, some thoughts that came up studying that Utkin document again (http://www.free-energy-info.com/Utkin.htm)

In my first post i wondered about that capacitve coupling in the antenna grenade combination, now i found a possible explanation on the subject. The Utkin document mentions Avramenko's Plug (Rebuild of a bipolar source out of a monofiliar transmission line). The sections i'm refering are: 1. below headline >POSSIBLE DESIGN FOR THE “CHARGE PUMP” or “CHARGE FUNNEL”< and 2. above and below headline >Alternately charging a capacitor’s plates<

The principle is simply that a capacitor under the influence of an changing electric field is sucking charge from ground and stays neutral for the external field after a full alternating cycle (shown in the diagrams  below 2nd headline).

But where are those diodes and plates in the Ruslan device. Depends on the schematic you're using, in the one i've found they are in the following places: diode at the base of the kacher, high current diode between PSU and highcount secondary of the yoke leading further to grenade, one of the plate's is the antenna, the second is the grenade, the "external field" is directly induced to the secondary of the kacher.

Curious. But that configuration even manages to distinguish between a high voltage end (antenna) an a high current end (grenade).

Just some thoughts to get an understanding :)

pst69de,

thanks for the input and the link, its worth to be studied as a quick glance shows that it (the  Utkin document) is dealing with much what we are working on here.

One thing that looks odd to me is this strange diode/capacitor configuration in this video at the 8:38 minute mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAz0wqQD4Zw

Its not a FWBR configuration, its not 4 diodes parallel its like 2 diodes in series and parallel with the capacitors inbetween.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7262 on: November 29, 2014, 01:32:12 PM »
pst69de,

thanks for the input and the link, its worth to be studied as a quick glance shows that it (the  Utkin document) is dealing with much what we are working on here.

One thing that looks odd to me is this strange diode/capacitor configuration in this video at the 8:38 minute mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAz0wqQD4Zw

Its not a FWBR configuration, its not 4 diodes parallel its like 2 diodes in series and parallel with the capacitors inbetween.

Regards Itsu

hi itsu and pst69de,

This is the layout for the (600volts or 1200volts) TO-220 diodes as attached.

It's a PIO capacitor in parallel configuration connected to A/C input of the Bridge Rectifier.The (+) and (-) thick Red and thich blue is leading to "unknown circuit" maybe PSU with bypassed bridge rectifier or etc for this voltage around 350...400volts dc base on the Russian PIO capacitor estimate spec.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7263 on: November 29, 2014, 02:25:10 PM »
hi itsu and pst69de,

This is the layout for the (600volts or 1200volts) TO-220 diodes as attached.

It's a PIO capacitor in parallel configuration connected to A/C input of the Bridge Rectifier.The (+) and (-) thick Red and thich blue is leading to "unknown circuit" maybe PSU with bypassed bridge rectifier or etc for this voltage around 350...400volts dc base on the Russian PIO capacitor estimate spec.

Just a quick comment on this. I think this diode bridge is working the other way, with an AC input on the blue and red wires from a Mazilli or similar oscillator building a high voltage across the PIO caps for output to the lamp load. The Mazilli is I think fed from a concealed LIPO or similar 'flat' pack in the bottom of the LHS plastic box. 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7264 on: November 29, 2014, 02:56:10 PM »
Just a quick comment on this. I think this diode bridge is working the other way, with an AC input on the blue and red wires from a Mazilli or similar oscillator building a high voltage across the PIO caps for output to the lamp load. The Mazilli is I think fed from a concealed LIPO or similar 'flat' pack in the bottom of the LHS plastic box. Note that there is no Kacher, so not essential for FE with this device.  ;D

hi Hoppy,

There is no mazilli or Houdini for this older device for the unboxing video.Anyone whom plays with just mazilli with external coil would need to create a typical"close loop system" via yoke transformer.
There is no overunity possibility for this type of system whatever the output.

If you say if there is Li-po pack for the latest device "a decoy" without 25 turns bifilar it would still need to be stepped up via yoke and multilayer which is possible using  L/C resonance  to achieve maximum brightness.

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I have started researching into the use of "interrupter circuit" which is normally found in SSTC tesla coil.
I found that the purpose of the interrupter does assist to increase spark length which means there is more HV output for a given source voltage.

I am just visualizing use of interrupter circuit as "kacher booster" and also to lower current consumption.

Please watch video below.

Youtube user:Anapa More

Генератор пачек прямоугольных импульсов, полный мост.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxHP31XG1M8&list=UU8M-dD3YGiEmzizz_6TkgDg

Испытание генератора
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGLjfHauhUk&list=UU8M-dD3YGiEmzizz_6TkgDg

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At 3/4 complete PCB.All work comes to a stop until i do a quick experiment tomorrow to test interrupter with 1 transistor fed with signal generator to primary of tesla coil/kacher.The bottom of tesla coil to be connected to earth or via diode this time.

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« Reply #7265 on: November 29, 2014, 03:38:52 PM »
hi Hoppy,

There is no mazilli or Houdini for this older device for the unboxing video.Anyone whom plays with just mazilli with external coil would need to create a typical"close loop system" via yoke transformer.
There is no overunity possibility for this type of system whatever the output.

If you say if there is Li-po pack for the latest device "a decoy" without 25 turns bifilar it would still need to be stepped up via yoke and multilayer which is possible using  L/C resonance  to achieve maximum brightness.

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Hi Mag,

Its a toroidal core not a yoke doing the stepping-up. Agreed, its not OU.

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« Reply #7266 on: November 29, 2014, 04:05:34 PM »
I was making note of the type of load, because it matters... one cannot be used where the other can be.


Maybe you already knew this; but I don't know everything and the information was new to me.


http://youtu.be/6Jw3zTXsVPo


have to stage the system up sometimes and start with no load, add LED worklight and add others...
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Edit: direction of the grenade is important.  the outside should be connected to the diode and the long inner part connected to the capacitor side.  The long side is the longest voltage change, the outside is 'ground'


I have on occasion reversed them, and the oscillations wouldn't work ... to the point that it just totally would not work.


Wish we could have a conversation about how to translate the linear grenade into a toroid...
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I see; I remember something somewhere ... the resistive load should be across the coil... as a dampen of the resonance as opposed to power across the cap (DC)... although maybe the inductive load goes there and resistive across the cap...


Interesting to have a system that has the three points distinct...
quick experiment revealed the incandescent can probably go across the coil without so much issue... but then it won't be part of the voltage drop across the capacitor at all... ya.... *edit image*


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Also; this longest wound version works best... and if I extend ferrite matter some, I can get more power transfer...
Still need a better clocked mosfet driver; I do know that.
so 48 is not a magic number.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7267 on: November 29, 2014, 04:51:06 PM »
  There is no such thing as Over-Unity. There never was, and never will be, as it's just a misnomer.   However, I don't recall ever hearing from any of the self runner device builders, that OU is required, first, to produce a self running device. As the extra incoming energy is provided by the surrounding ambient, in conjuction with an optional ground connection, and not from the device itself. 
 
  Of course, if you think that all these devices are fakes, then you may NEVER know just how they actually work.  Even Ruslan and Akula don't know how they actually work, and keep coming up with different ideas on what makes them tick.

 
 
 

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« Reply #7268 on: November 29, 2014, 05:26:11 PM »
  There is no such thing as Over-Unity. There never was, and never will be, as it's just a misnomer.   However, I don't recall ever hearing from any of the self runner device builders, that OU is required, first, to produce a self running device. As the extra incoming energy is provided by the surrounding ambient, in conjuction with an optional ground connection, and not from the device itself. 
 
  Of course, if you think that all these devices are fakes, then you may NEVER know just how they actually work.  Even Ruslan and Akula don't know how they actually work, and keep coming up with different ideas on what makes them tick.

 
 
 

To Nickz,

I think you never learned that to built a device it takes step by step experimenting and you always talk about the end product to everyone which is the "self runner".
I think that is just inconsiderate given that we only received the kapandaze winding procedure like less than 2 months ago.

Ruslan would have started his experiment after Akula or Dally demonstration.That was few years ago.

"Remember the simple Edison bulb was not created in 1 month it was only after 1200 tries or experimenting only then it was successful.
Yes there were many soul whom gave up in this forum from the past to present due to whatever reasons."

 

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« Reply #7269 on: November 29, 2014, 05:33:17 PM »
Nice Nick. Expression of your feelings? :D  Now you professional guys tell me, How to properly tune my Primary to secondary on my Kacher. I am in circle and do not know how to get out of it.  I use simple Brovin oscilator.

Now I have my resonant frequency of my secondary @1.294MHz  and some closests good resonant harmonic of my primary  @1.415MHz

The question is now, Should I change the value of the cap in the Brovin's oscilator, or can i just bridge the primary coil with proper cap to create LC tank?  I know I could play with the tap on my coli but my wire is insulated - so not so easy as to change the value of capacitor.

 I believe the tuned Tesla is one of most important thinks to do to obtain free bits.  If properly tuned the input power might be just a fraction of what it takes now while the same output.   

One more question: when Brovin is running, my output frequency is around 620 Khz.  A bit different to what the natural resonant frequency of coils?

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« Reply #7270 on: November 29, 2014, 06:02:38 PM »
Nice Nick. Expression of your feelings? :D  Now you professional guys tell me, How to properly tune my Primary to secondary on my Kacher. I am in circle and do not know how to get out of it.  I use simple Brovin oscilator.

Now I have my resonant frequency of my secondary @1.294MHz  and some closests good resonant harmonic of my primary  @1.415MHz

The question is now, Should I change the value of the cap in the Brovin's oscilator, or can i just bridge the primary coil with proper cap to create LC tank?  I know I could play with the tap on my coli but my wire is insulated - so not so easy as to change the value of capacitor.

 I believe the tuned Tesla is one of most important thinks to do to obtain free bits.  If properly tuned the input power might be just a fraction of what it takes now while the same output.   

hi John.K1,


This is the 1st step and the most important step-Take note your kacher osc frequency with antenna in place would need to follow kapanadze coil(Receiver coil) resonance frequency which is fixed(receiver coil) once you have followed winding steps.It is not the other way round.


For some of us eg:myself,Hoppy,itsu the receiver coil is around 1.6xx Mhz

So your kacher needs to radiate at this frequency.

For me this is what i do.Take the resonant frequency of kacher and divide by 60(60th-Subharmonics).

For pwm generator -Assume 1.68Mhz/60 =28000hz/28khz .Although your pwm generator suppose to run at this 28khz as example.

To derive the capacitor value -using those online L/C calculator.
Recall i have mentioned previously we should not running at L/C resonance but at 1/2 of L/C resonance so 28khz/2=14khz.

The series L/C resonance of 25 turns bifilar(124.5uH for my case)

Apply 14khz and 124.5uH to derive the capacitor which will be 1.03uf.This is the capacitor to use at 3 turns winding. 0.47uf x 2 + 0.1uf  hv capacitor in parallel as example.

Remember don't trust written value on capacitor use L/C meter or better still by adding or removing capacitor to use with signal generator with scope for optimal series L/C resonance at 14khz.
http://www.pronine.ca/lcf.htm

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« Reply #7271 on: November 29, 2014, 06:31:05 PM »
Now you [strike]professional[/strike] guys tell me, How to properly tune my Primary to secondary on my Kacher. I am in circle and do not know how to get out of it.  I use simple Brovin oscilator.

Now I have my resonant frequency of my secondary @1.294MHz  and some closests good resonant harmonic of my primary  @1.415MHz


changing the resistance from power to base; the amount of pullup can influence the frequency slightly.
The only way to raise the frequency is remove turns from the secondary (long coil) or add turns to the primary. (wider turns I think also on the primary, but keep same turns... (fewer turns cause you're uncoiling to make wider isn't going to help )   )... increased primary inductance, decreased secondary inductance...
To lower the frequency can add topload capacitance(?)


how did you find your primary resonance?  I recently discovered that... (my grenade is functionally about 266uH; my inductor has multiple taps at 266, 220, 180, some of which include turns on a third layer... I was measuring using 266, since that was the same inductance as my grenade; and had frequnces around 1200 to 900 depending on grounding... I then used just the top-Inductor (the coil at top of kacher) and the few turns is you nko like 10uH... and the frequency was resonant at 745Khz... almost 3/4 of what the frequency was from the cuffed inductor.


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I realize you asked before and I'm glad you asked again.


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So inductact A to B..
A same as B = highest frequency
A less than B = lower frequency
A lower still than B = lower frequency
A more than B = lower freqency...
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when balancing such small capacitances and inductances....

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« Reply #7272 on: November 29, 2014, 06:39:13 PM »
For some of us eg:myself,Hoppy,itsu the receiver coil is around 1.6xx Mhz
and - I know itsu used just a couple turns from a test lead wrapped around his; his Inductor is several more turns than that... so that does't really count
how did you and hoppy measure yours?  Using the Inductor?


I posted my results way back; but they've since been invalidated; kinda interesting how I'm never listed on 'available stats'.


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« Reply #7273 on: November 29, 2014, 08:07:26 PM »

This is probably like 'coral castle numbers' but I'm gong to muse a second...
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So The idea then is to find the inductance of the wire itself(?) of the grenade itself for sure?... it's got a lower inductance than it should have for the form it's in...
49m of wire... although still more than the wire would be straight.... ....

So ... I found this calculator http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-inductance-calculator.htm   which allows calculating for a length of wire what the indutance is...


frequency doesn't matter at long lengths
10800cm  (108m) 263731.055905nH   (example, relavent for me) (1mm wire; thinner wire can matter; 0.2mm is 298uH oh that's the wrong value...)


http://www.eeweb.com/toolbox/wire-inductance (another calculator; same results, less other data)


2.777777777777778Mhz wavelength at 108Cm effective inductance...
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Probably more practical for now to work backwards by adding small(tiny) known capacitances in parallel and justing the relative changes in resonant frequency to find the capacitance of the coil itself.. since it has a lower inductance, it relatively has more capacitance in it...


and even then once it's caluclated, without a coil of exact inductance driving it, it will be a lower frequency than you calculated for the parasitic capacitance (native/natural.... the bit that's more than 0 than you can't have less than...)  and the measured inductance of the grenade itself






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« Reply #7274 on: November 29, 2014, 08:17:28 PM »
  Mag:
  I don't understand where you're coming from.
  If you think that this false OU idea that you are all mentioning is correct, and that a device needs to produce more than it takes in. How does that work in a self runner then, which has no external man made additional input source?
 
   All of these devices are also inverters, they have to be, or they won't work.
 The feed back path (which no one has properly shown working here, yet) is what allows the device to self run. Without which, it's not going to work as anything other than just an inverter.

  Where is there a device that produces a higher output than the input source?  Including all the devices that we've been looking at?  Energy has to come from somewhere. Without considering the available surrounding ambient as the additional source of power, there is no OU.

  You've mentioned that I'm being inconsiderate?  That I don't know how to build something. Maybe you misunderstand me. Or have not been following what I done the last several years.  But, I've never said how anyone should develop their device, including you. There is no other way to procede than by step by step. Unless you are like Tesla, and can just build something from what you've envisioned in your head. Even he spent his life doing various tests.
  If you think that OU exists, and/or is a prerequisite for a self runner, please proof your point.

  I am not a newbie to these experiments. I started by building the basic induction circuit as recommended by Akula about two years ago. Step by step, etz.
 And have been part of the original Tk thread until Hoppy suggested that I start another thread. As they wanted to discuss Tk's motor generator, and I kept talking about non-moving solid state generators, like Tk's radiator crt.
Solid state generators, are my only interest. Along with needed Exciter/kacher circuits.
  I then restarted this thread which had been abandoned, after Hoppy and Itsu and other guy's tests were not providing for the wanted results.
Several years have past, since then. And my 1800 plus posts prove it.
  Sorry to bore anyone...