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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11717960 times)

forest

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7110 on: November 24, 2014, 08:49:42 PM »
I'm lost. See some stupid schematics modified by many people and flooding this thread. What do you expect ?

Do you have CONFIRMED schematic of the most simple (latest 300W) Ruslan circuit to replicate ?
Maybe I will try to build one. I have a katcher from old experiments and 10 russian paper 1.5kV 0.1uf caps. Is 1uf cap enough to power like 100W bulb  ?

Most important is to know if katcher circuit need attunement in frequency.

T-1000

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« Reply #7111 on: November 24, 2014, 09:07:21 PM »
Hi T-1000. The current does fall off as the capacitor charges, but the rate that the capacitor voltage increases 
also falls off. So even though the capacitor charging current is less, the voltage on the capacitor is increasing
slower and slower as you get closer to the max voltage, so a given amount of voltage increase takes longer in the
upper charging range. I don't think there is any reason to think the capacitor charges faster if only half discharging
the capacitor and then recharging it. See the capacitor charging voltage and current graphs attached. It would seem
that to get excess power out, something completely different is going on.

P.S. The second attachment is an actual scope voltage charge waveform using grenade to charge a 1uF cap.
It's rate of charge slows down quite a bit in the upper charge range.

All the best...

Hi,

You can try with 2kV+ spikes to charge 2kV rated capacitor from 0V up to 500V charge then from 500V to 1KV then measure charging time for each half. The high voltage spikes are usually what you do get from Tesla coil.
Then you will see something interesting going on there and also reasons why Ruslan used 2kV rated capacitors... :)

Cheers!

NickZ

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« Reply #7112 on: November 24, 2014, 09:16:04 PM »
  Hoppy:
  Have you connected your switching power supply, back to the input, yet?

  Forest: If you are looking to replicate, the only verified schematic is the Akula second video version diagram. Shown working, and verified by Tiger, and others.
 
  But, as practically no one is really making an exact replication, of any of the self runners. What do you expect....

Void

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« Reply #7113 on: November 24, 2014, 09:18:18 PM »
Hi,
You can try with 2kV+ spikes to charge 2kV rated capacitor from 0V up to 500V charge then from 500V to 1KV then measure charging time for each half. The high voltage spikes are usually what you do get from Tesla coil.
Then you will see something interesting going on there and also reasons why Ruslan used 2kV rated capacitors... :)
Cheers!

Hi T-1000. That could be, but I think you need some sort of sparkgap to create those voltage spikes.
I don't know for sure, but I don't think Ruslan was using a sparkgap on his tesla coil output in his latest
video. I am still experimenting with this arrangement, so we'll see if anything interesting turns up. :)

P.S. I attached a scope shot showing what happens when I manually do a sudden discharge across the 1uF output cap.
Slow as molasses in January. ;)

All the best...

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7114 on: November 24, 2014, 09:48:42 PM »
I have a 60W, resistance is 21.7 approx...


so you have... 768V @ ( 2A ) ? or even 240V @2A is 480W? 


how many bulbs in parallel?  that just increases the current...
what is your input?  1KW?


capicitors need to be higher than the voltage they collect... because not only do they have the DC bias, they have a voltage wave common to both sides...

'Hot' resistance of my bulb is in the order of 750R at the brightness / temperature level I have. Cold resistance is a lot lower than 'hot' resistance for tungsten filament lamps!

There is no DC bias on my caps.

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7115 on: November 24, 2014, 09:54:44 PM »
  Hoppy:
  Have you connected your switching power supply, back to the input, yet?

  Forest: If you are looking to replicate, the only verified schematic is the Akula second video version diagram. Shown working, and verified by Tiger, and others.
 
  But, as practically no one is really making an exact replication, of any of the self runners. What do you expect....


Not yet Nick.

Do you have the correct circuit for an exact replication of Ruslan's self-runner?

Jeg

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« Reply #7116 on: November 24, 2014, 10:00:17 PM »
Katcher supply is from 2X12V batteries.
Mosfets supply is from 220V ac to 24V dc supply 

Is anyone here experiencing something like that? I am looking forward for making a stronger katcher to see if this effect is growing more. More brightness, less consumption even for a small amount. The fact is that from the moment that you manage to pass katcher's voltage to your output, then only the level of katcher output is what you have to concentrate on. Everything is possible. Failure or success doesn't matter.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3t26BdxXAA&feature=youtu.be


Hoppy

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« Reply #7117 on: November 24, 2014, 10:28:29 PM »
Katcher supply is from 2X12V batteries.
Mosfets supply is from 220V ac to 24V dc supply 

Is anyone here experiencing something like that? I am looking forward for making a stronger katcher to see if this effect is growing more. More brightness, less consumption even for a small amount. The fact is that from the moment that you manage to pass katcher's voltage to your output, then only the level of katcher output is what you have to concentrate on. Everything is possible. Failure or success doesn't matter.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3t26BdxXAA&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for posting your video. Can you please re-run showing both of your analogue meters for Kacher and mosfets side by side?

Void

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« Reply #7118 on: November 24, 2014, 10:33:37 PM »
Interesting Jeg, but I am always a little suspect when there is a power supply connected to
the mains. I have sometimes seen quite different results in some of my testing when comparing
with a power supply and with batteries only.

Hoppy: Re the exact schematic. Hee hee.  ;D

All the best...

Jeg

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« Reply #7119 on: November 24, 2014, 10:42:14 PM »
Thanks for posting your video. Can you please re-run showing both of your analogue meters for Kacher and mosfets side by side?

No problem Hoppy but tomorrow. I will try for a better shot showing more details which might you find interesting.

Jeg

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« Reply #7120 on: November 24, 2014, 10:46:29 PM »
Interesting Jeg, but I am always a little suspect when there is a power supply connected to
the mains. I have sometimes seen quite different results in some of my testing when comparing
with a power supply and with batteries only.


Me too Void, but I wanted a separate source for this demonstration for being sure that the less consumption is not due to power stealing from Katcher when I fire it on.

Hoppy my consumption of katcher depends on the voltage that I feed it. When I supply it from 24V is something around 2A. When I give more input voltage to see the difference at the output, it consumes more. The point is to raise katcher's output voltage without increasing input power. At least this would be my target.

Void

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« Reply #7121 on: November 24, 2014, 10:52:14 PM »
Me too Void, but I wanted a separate source for this demonstration for being sure that the less consumption is not due to power stealing from Katcher when I fire it on.

Hi Jeg. Right. It is one step forward and one step back when trying to analyze
what is going on in these devices. Scope probes are bad for altering circuit behavior as well.
The Observer Effect in action. ;D
All the best...


d3x0r

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7122 on: November 24, 2014, 11:25:59 PM »
Hi T-1000. That could be, but I think you need some sort of sparkgap to create those voltage spikes.
I don't know for sure, but I don't think Ruslan was using a sparkgap on his tesla coil output in his latest
video. I am still experimenting with this arrangement, so we'll see if anything interesting turns up. :)

P.S. I attached a scope shot showing what happens when I manually do a sudden discharge across the 1uF output cap.
Slow as molasses in January. ;)

All the best...
nice ; that's charging in milliwatts... was looking for a calculatin for T, V and C to get A or W ... best I did was setup falstad with a fixed powr supply a Capacitor and a resistor until I could find the current through the resistor... it's a RC time constant *4 or something.... or T/4




Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #7123 on: November 24, 2014, 11:38:44 PM »
Me too Void, but I wanted a separate source for this demonstration for being sure that the less consumption is not due to power stealing from Katcher when I fire it on.

The point is to raise katcher's output voltage without increasing input power. At least this would be my target.

Adjustment of the Kacher turns ratio will deal with this. However, required operating frequency affects this objective.


d3x0r

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« Reply #7124 on: November 24, 2014, 11:49:05 PM »
'Hot' resistance of my bulb is in the order of 750R at the brightness / temperature level I have. Cold resistance is a lot lower than 'hot' resistance for tungsten filament lamps!

There is no DC bias on my caps.


re no bias... I thought you said it was holding 200 something volts across the load, and charged to 768 instantly...


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added another winding, and made a joule-thief driver... it's weak... 2.4V 30-40mA; nothing special regarding runtime... tried to take the difference from the cap and apply it to the input; but it's not a lot of output...