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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8519921 times)

Offline itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5925 on: October 21, 2014, 12:22:20 AM »

I tried the following method to "characterize" the grenade coil:

Use my FG to sweep a frequency range from say 10KHz to 10MHz.
Have my scope synced on the start pulse of this sweep and display the frequency response.
The screenshot below shows the frequency response of my grenade coil while attached in the circuit (not sure this is right).
You can see severall resonance peaks like first one around 900KHz, next one around 3.8MHz, and the biggest one at 5.3MHz.
I am missing my 2.1MHz peak which a have tailored my Kacher on  >:(

I also extended this to the full frequency range of my FG being 100MHz.

Then i checked the response of my 2x 25 Turn bifilar coil with the 0.47uF cap the same way and i do see a peak at 26KHz.
But also many more on much higher frequencies, so take it for what its worth.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-HdHSvTX2Q&feature=youtu.be

I also had a chat with T-1000 which was in the teamspeak session with Ruslan and there it was told that the grenade coil
5th and 6th layers should have the same direction as the 1st and 2th layer, so basically all 2 layer pairs are wound opposite (CCW-CW-CCW or CW-CCW-CW)

I am planning to build a new coil with a measured 37.5M length that way soon.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5925 on: October 21, 2014, 12:22:20 AM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5926 on: October 21, 2014, 12:41:15 AM »
You need to lower interwinding capacitance so the Tesla secondary coil winding spacing should be at least on every second turn. Ruslan used 0.8mm diameter wire(oxygen free) as he told in latest video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYj4YT_DIs

hi T-1000,

This oxygen free cable was mentioned for the actual multilayer winding by Akula .
Akula did mention if using oxygen free cable "1.5mm sq" and not using oxygen free cable "2.5mm" sq.

What i am trying to say it is not a 100% requirement as you can use thicker wire to compensate any lost.But i am strictly sticking with normal 20AWG insulated wire 0.81mm for the tesla coil.

[Yes there is improvement using oxygen free cable wire over non oxygen free wire.For example i was using Solid SILVER COATED OXYGEN FREE  30AWG wire for my Variable High Voltage DC power supply 150volts.This AWG30 cable outperform my 26AWG insulated copper wire and i am able to apply more turns and zero heating detected on wire.
This 30AWG wire can even destroy my 600watt TVS diode in one my project.
]

That video you linked is not a working unit.Recall the older video where he remove the electrical box while the unit is self running and there was 2 large PIO capacitor for the nanosecond generator inside.
Now he is trying to show a unit with no nanosecond and PIO capacitor which to me is a distraction from the actual stuff.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5927 on: October 21, 2014, 12:54:05 AM »
I tried the following method to "characterize" the grenade coil:

Use my FG to sweep a frequency range from say 10KHz to 10MHz.
Have my scope synced on the start pulse of this sweep and display the frequency response.
The screenshot below shows the frequency response of my grenade coil while attached in the circuit (not sure this is right).
You can see severall resonance peaks like first one around 900KHz, next one around 3.8MHz, and the biggest one at 5.3MHz.
I am missing my 2.1MHz peak which a have tailored my Kacher on  >:(

I also extended this to the full frequency range of my FG being 100MHz.

Then i checked the response of my 2x 25 Turn bifilar coil with the 0.47uF cap the same way and i do see a peak at 26KHz.
But also many more on much higher frequencies, so take it for what its worth.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-HdHSvTX2Q&feature=youtu.be

I also had a chat with T-1000 which was in the teamspeak session with Ruslan and there it was told that the grenade coil
5th and 6th layers should have the same direction as the 1st and 2th layer, so basically all 2 layer pairs are wound opposite (CCW-CW-CCW or CW-CCW-CW)

I am planning to build a new coil with a measured 37.5M length that way soon.

Regards Itsu

hi itsu,

You mentioned-

I also had a chat with T-1000 which was in the teamspeak session with Ruslan and there it was told that the grenade coil
5th and 6th layers should have the same direction as the 1st and 2th layer, so basically all 2 layer pairs are wound opposite (CCW-CW-CCW or CW-CCW-CW)


For the only kapanadze coil which i posted a photo I have mentioned i am just following the one of the Ruslan video which the winding spec can be clearly seen from the "naked eyes" which i trust better.
My winding spec was posted on my image of kapanadze coil photo.I have explained my reason why i need to use 60turns for the first layer previously in that posting provided if you are very particular like me to get the 10cm exposed.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5927 on: October 21, 2014, 12:54:05 AM »
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Offline T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5928 on: October 21, 2014, 02:02:01 AM »
I also had a chat with T-1000 which was in the teamspeak session with Ruslan and there it was told that the grenade coil
5th and 6th layers should have the same direction as the 1st and 2th layer, so basically all 2 layer pairs are wound opposite (CCW-CW-CCW or CW-CCW-CW)

I am planning to build a new coil with a measured 37.5M length that way soon.

Regards Itsu
Well, I was listening to teamspeak session recording, not been there ;)
Also there are some opposing things about top layers winding direction as Ruslan did told to wind every single half to opposite direction in teamspeak but in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyDaVspeeNE#t=2m35 at 2:35 it is clearly seen the top half is winded on the same direction as previous. So it might to work on both cases just there is most likely question about which is better...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5929 on: October 21, 2014, 06:00:38 AM »
Thamks you Itsu - You are nice fellow and good man.  :)

Watch Граната СЕ  - White OU Grenade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42j7gKCMIGU

Everything here is simple and perfect and in accordance with simple and truthful mathematic rules.

I think starting winding directions have equal validity. Both sides are equivalent. Right-Left and Left-Right. What is really important here, for wave resonance is lenght of wire and of course form of winding.

ps: I have an idea for next Grenade coil making it from excellent insulating enameled Litz Wire 2.5mm2. This shoud be tested.

Have a nice experiments !!

All best !!
Reg.Enjoykin

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« Reply #5929 on: October 21, 2014, 06:00:38 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5930 on: October 21, 2014, 08:40:46 AM »
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Man called Denny from our Russian forum has caught OU effect - but only 60W power for free. What is interesting is he was excited not bifilar inductor but Grenade coils layers 5 and 6.
Now he rewounded coils so will see does he wiil catch OU effect again or not !!

his video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlLLiwzfoeE

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Hello ! That is most interesting my friend. I wish to know more about this experiment. Can you please provide more info about this setup ? or a source of it? It seems to be a well done tuning between kacher and grenade coil which is the very first step in replicating Ruslan's device.   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5931 on: October 21, 2014, 09:11:00 AM »
Well, I was listening to teamspeak session recording, not been there ;)
Also there are some opposing things about top layers winding direction as Ruslan did told to wind every single half to opposite direction in teamspeak but in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyDaVspeeNE#t=2m35 at 2:35 it is clearly seen the top half is winded on the same direction as previous. So it might to work on both cases just there is most likely question about which is better...
You probarly not good understand Ruslan. I remember, that Ruslan, newer say, that two last layers is wound in same direction like two first layers.

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Offline T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5932 on: October 21, 2014, 10:16:03 AM »
You probarly not good understand Ruslan. I remember, that Ruslan, newer say, that two last layers is wound in same direction like two first layers.
You should listen teamspeak recording again then. He clearly said there the each next half ls winded to opposite direction than previous.
But in videos the last half is on same direction than middle one.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5933 on: October 21, 2014, 11:27:42 AM »
You need to lower interwinding capacitance so the Tesla secondary coil winding spacing should be at least on every second turn. Ruslan used 0.8mm diameter wire(oxygen free) as he told in latest video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYj4YT_DIs
My coil is slightly loose and I was able to wind a nylon string between the windings...


The same wire has the same frequencies of response.   Also is different with the back to back zeners on the base.
I have to put my primary almost at the end of the high voltage coil I can get it to almost near 1Mhz...


Can you please translate what 'oxygen free' wire means? :)  insulated? varnished?  really a type of annealment on the copper of the wire?




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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5934 on: October 21, 2014, 02:37:51 PM »
My coil is slightly loose and I was able to wind a nylon string between the windings...


The same wire has the same frequencies of response.   Also is different with the back to back zeners on the base.
I have to put my primary almost at the end of the high voltage coil I can get it to almost near 1Mhz...


Can you please translate what 'oxygen free' wire means? :)  insulated? varnished?  really a type of annealment on the copper of the wire?
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen-free_copper for last  question.
Also the Tesla coil wire length is quite short for 1/3rd of full wavelength of grenade coil (its wire length multiplied by 4 for full wavelength)...


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5935 on: October 21, 2014, 04:22:42 PM »
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen-free_copper for last  question.
Also the Tesla coil wire length is quite short for 1/3rd of full wavelength of grenade coil (its wire length multiplied by 4 for full wavelength)...


To avoid any misunderstanding of your statement above, please give Tesla coil secondary length based on a grenade coil wire length of 37.5m.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5936 on: October 21, 2014, 04:45:36 PM »
  37.5 meters divided by 4 is 9.375 meters, as some of you may already know.
  So then, how many turns would that be if wound on the pvc drain tube used by Ruslan, (which is NOT 5cm, but is about 1 1/8 inches in diameter). If wound with 20-22 gauge magnet wire?
   The blue TK coil is wound on even smaller diameter pipe, which looks like about 3/4 to 1 inch, or so.

  Too bad we are still guessing at all of these important details...

   It may also be that the grenade coil may not really need to have the coil cancelling effect, to work as it should. This would need to be tested against the one single wire coil 37.5m long, not opposite wound.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5937 on: October 21, 2014, 04:47:43 PM »

To avoid any misunderstanding of your statement above, please give Tesla coil secondary length based on a grenade coil wire length of 37.5m.


Ok, here are example calculations. I might made some mistakes based on understanding and will adjust it in an process if needed:



The base pipe diameter is 50mm and the length is  20 cm
Calclutated wire lengths (2piR*length / wire diameter (skipped at the moment)) according to http://www.1728.org/freqwave.htm
31415.926535897932384626433832795 mm - layer 1+2
15707.963267948966192313216916398 mm - layer 3+4
7853.9816339744830961566084581988 mm - layer 5+6
=
1/4 wave 54977.871437821381673096259207392 mm -  5.453MHz - main grenade coil
full wave 219911.48575128552669238503682957 mm -  1.3632MHz


1/3 wave =  73303.828583761842230795012276522 mm - 4.0897MHz - tesla coil 1/4
Tesla full wave 293215.31433504736892318004910609 mm =  1.0224MHz


Inductor 1/2 wave = 109955.74287564276334619251841479 mm 2.7265MHz
Inductor 100th harmonics = 10995574.287564276334619251841479 mm  27.265kHz

P.S> Ruslan used wire of 2.5mm^2 (diameter 0.8mm) so you can practice and adjust this :)   Also we have 2 layers not 1, so you need multiply length by 2

Cheers!

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« Reply #5938 on: October 21, 2014, 05:29:57 PM »
Also the Tesla coil wire length is quite short for 1/3rd of full wavelength of grenade coil (its wire length multiplied by 4 for full wavelength)...

Hi T-1000. Did Ruslan say what wire length he is using for his secondary winding on his tesla coil?
All the best...

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« Reply #5939 on: October 21, 2014, 05:45:40 PM »
Hi T-1000. Did Ruslan say what wire length he is using for his secondary winding on his tesla coil?
All the best...
Nope, he just was talking only about tube diameter, width, wavelength and frequency.

 

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