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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 10442737 times)

Offline magpwr

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5010 on: August 10, 2014, 05:59:24 AM »
  Magpwr:
   Thanks for your comments.  It looks like there are only a few of us actually working on some circuits these days. I guess most others are waiting for a guarantee that what they are going to build, is going to work.  Well,  keep waiting...
   
   I'm still tuning away.  Yes, it takes some time. But, time is about the only thing that I have plenty of. At times...

  I was trying to adapt a 12v florescent bulb circuit for my HV pulcer, but I blew one of the smaller caps. It went of like a firecraker. Bang, right in my face. Any ways, so much for that.  I'll try something else.
  I with that I could just buy the two needed adjustable pulser circuits, connect them to my coils, and be done with it.   Wishful thinking, again.

hi NickZ,

After doing couple of experiment and reading some tips provided in pjkbook.pdf

Base on longitudinal experiment i was doing.Base on my observation i noticed there seems to be a pattern- "ou" is obtained only if the output frequency is around 2 or 3 times higher than the source likely due to waveform bouncing from left from right then back again in the circuit.
This increases the vibration of the frequency.It's hard for me to co-relate this experiment with the singing bowl experiment where slow movement around bowl with water create higher frequency vibration like momentum of the waveform keeping building up to a certain maximum point base on medium.

My instinct is telling me it's likely Akula\Ruslan device is also using this principle of gaining momentum related to frequency which it vibrates to and fro between one coil to another in order to generate "ou".
I do already know recently Don smith device was already using this method to achieve "ou" via longitudinal wave which is travelling to and fro in the secondary coil which gain momentum.

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This is my version 5 of the virtual longitudinal experiment while waiting for those components.
I found out the resonance frequency of the inductor/capacitor circuit is 24525khz and there is another 2 similar resonance frequency around 32khz and 62khz.

By applying frequency  24.525khz i am able see maximum of 80.5khz at the output of the secondary coil.That's 3.2 times of the original input frequency which the circuit is vibrating at and this translates to higher output voltage "ou" under load.I can't use 4Amp fuse at supply so my guess is it's between 4Amp...5Amp current.











 
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5011 on: August 11, 2014, 09:32:56 PM »
Magpower,

Congradulations on the simulation circuit. It caught my eye as being a really elegant
solution.  Keeping my fingers crossed that it will work.


:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5012 on: August 13, 2014, 01:05:54 PM »
hi NickZ,

After doing couple of experiment and reading some tips provided in pjkbook.pdf

Base on longitudinal experiment i was doing.Base on my observation i noticed there seems to be a pattern- "ou" is obtained only if the output frequency is around 2 or 3 times higher than the source likely due to waveform bouncing from left from right then back again in the circuit.
This increases the vibration of the frequency.It's hard for me to co-relate this experiment with the singing bowl experiment where slow movement around bowl with water create higher frequency vibration like momentum of the waveform keeping building up to a certain maximum point base on medium.

My instinct is telling me it's likely Akula\Ruslan device is also using this principle of gaining momentum related to frequency which it vibrates to and fro between one coil to another in order to generate "ou".
I do already know recently Don smith device was already using this method to achieve "ou" via longitudinal wave which is travelling to and fro in the secondary coil which gain momentum.

--------------------------------
This is my version 5 of the virtual longitudinal experiment while waiting for those components.
I found out the resonance frequency of the inductor/capacitor circuit is 24525khz and there is another 2 similar resonance frequency around 32khz and 62khz.

By applying frequency  24.525khz i am able see maximum of 80.5khz at the output of the secondary coil.That's 3.2 times of the original input frequency which the circuit is vibrating at and this translates to higher output voltage "ou" under load.I can't use 4Amp fuse at supply so my guess is it's between 4Amp...5Amp current.

Hi MagPwr

Its hardly to believe possible simulate 'ou' in this circuit simulator  ???
btw: which version is this one circuit simulator? and these coil from L1 to L(x) is separate coils or they are on one core?

regards zcsaba77

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5013 on: August 13, 2014, 04:38:08 PM »
Hi MagPwr

Its hardly to believe possible simulate 'ou' in this circuit simulator  ???
btw: which version is this one circuit simulator? and these coil from L1 to L(x) is separate coils or they are on one core?

regards zcsaba77
They're all independant cores.


@magpwr
does it actually need the whole chain of modules or does one work the same?
does more generate a higher power?


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5014 on: August 13, 2014, 04:43:38 PM »
Hi MagPwr

Its hardly to believe possible simulate 'ou' in this circuit simulator  ???
btw: which version is this one circuit simulator? and these coil from L1 to L(x) is separate coils or they are on one core?

regards zcsaba77

Hi,

My previous 25mV joule thief and my recent powerful toroidless joule thief was both originated from multisim.
The version is irrelevant since it's just basic inductors and capacitors.
The only fact for virtual environment all the components are based on selected value applied and it's 100% ideal component with zero loss or etc these which don't exist in real world.

For the Longitudinal experiment i am using 5amp fuse instead of scope via 0.1 ohms to easily show the estimated current drawn.There is no other better way to show current drawn other than using the primitive fuse. :)

The inductor  part will be the mystery since i don't know which approach will work "toroid or rod" until i start on actual experiment.

Just wait out for my actual findings to appear in a couple of days later for you to decide in order to believe.

I have just received the 8 x capacitors in 3 variant (Mica and non mica version)

Important requirement- Signal generator,Scope,L/C meter and electronics knowledge is a must have for this project.

As usual last warning i don't advise anyone to follow me unless you know what you are doing.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5015 on: August 13, 2014, 05:52:27 PM »
They're all independant cores.


@magpwr
does it actually need the whole chain of modules or does one work the same?
does more generate a higher power?

hi d3x0r,

To be honest i really don't really know how to advise since i was merely following the original experiment merely to verify if there was any interesting effect.
But this one did impress me the most.

I have attached my comical visualization on how i view this circuit in my head.Maybe this makes sense for someone.
 :D

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5016 on: August 13, 2014, 10:28:01 PM »
hi d3x0r,

To be honest i really don't really know how to advise since i was merely following the original experiment merely to verify if there was any interesting effect.
But this one did impress me the most.

I have attached my comical visualization on how i view this circuit in my head.Maybe this makes sense for someone.
 :D
yes, but it's easy enough to cut some connections and route wires to bypass modules or copy and paste more modules in series.  Hooray for simulators.
I've already done the experiment and already know the answers.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5017 on: August 13, 2014, 10:50:40 PM »
magpower,

Do you happen to have a FET driver circuit model that you can substitute for the function generator? A dual fet drive
circuit can lock out shoot-through current and may have some better parameters for Fet gates in the real world. I would
like to see if it performs better or worse then the direct function generator.

---

I know of a very simple emergency, overvoltage load dump circuit that uses a opto LED in series with a NE2 neon bulb
that would cut out the power supply in 16ms after an overvoltage fault is detected. It uses a relay switch to do the
cutting so as to not affect other circuit parameters. The Hi-Q drive line components used are "self-healing" as long as
you do not wait by and cook them. This could allow one to use lower WVDC working voltage capacitors maybe even 630VDC
eventually, which are much less expensive then their higher voltage cousins.

---

If there are no glitches in the frequency territory around primary reasonant frequency one could use the technique of
shifting the drive center frequency to control stability and power resonating in the output circuit to some extent.  I
would much rather have a very parts reduced ou circuit, where there is little to go wrong and then dump the energy
to a professionally designed high efficiency inverter to reformat it for use as utility power.

---

By the way, I don't really consider that it is an overunity circuit yet - look at the scope you can see what it's doing.
But its got its backbone in the right place.  Bring it!
 


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5018 on: August 14, 2014, 12:52:24 AM »
magpower,

Do you happen to have a FET driver circuit model that you can substitute for the function generator? A dual fet drive
circuit can lock out shoot-through current and may have some better parameters for Fet gates in the real world. I would
like to see if it performs better or worse then the direct function generator.

---

I know of a very simple emergency, overvoltage load dump circuit that uses a opto LED in series with a NE2 neon bulb
that would cut out the power supply in 16ms after an overvoltage fault is detected. It uses a relay switch to do the
cutting so as to not affect other circuit parameters. The Hi-Q drive line components used are "self-healing" as long as
you do not wait by and cook them. This could allow one to use lower WVDC working voltage capacitors maybe even 630VDC
eventually, which are much less expensive then their higher voltage cousins.

---

If there are no glitches in the frequency territory around primary reasonant frequency one could use the technique of
shifting the drive center frequency to control stability and power resonating in the output circuit to some extent.  I
would much rather have a very parts reduced ou circuit, where there is little to go wrong and then dump the energy
to a professionally designed high efficiency inverter to reformat it for use as utility power.

---

By the way, I don't really consider that it is an overunity circuit yet - look at the scope you can see what it's doing.
But its got its backbone in the right place.  Bring it!
 


:S:MarkSCoffman

hi mscoffman,

This signal driver for the igbt is the most easy to implement which i have already solved it in my head before i even commence my actual experiment.

If we are using 12volt battery then we would need to use MC34063 to boost voltage to generate dc 20volts.This circuit was already assembled few months back using one of the many online example circuit and applying online MC34063 formula to get the required fixed voltage.

This 20volts supply will be fed to one of many version of the IGBT drivers I/C i currently own TC4421(9Amps),TC4422(9Amps),TC4428(1.5Amps).There are other IGBT Drivers out there as well.But i liked these better although it's little costly.

I will use my preferred PWM signal generator circuit using I/C: SG3525 which is also used in my latest video 150-1600volts Variable High Voltage Generator (Prototype) in youtube :"sanjev21"
10 of these PWM I/C merely cost $3.09 USD and comes with free worldwide shipment in ebay.

This i/c will then provide the necessary signal to IGBT driver at whatever resonant frequency the actual created circuit needs and the duty cycle can be controlled easily.


Hi-Q capacitors is the most expensive component in the circuit.Higher the voltage rating the better 630volt...2000volts.

The output of circuit is best left connected to the bulb as you can see as done in virtual circuit if i don't do this then the output voltage may kill ya with high amps and it would likely destroy the igbts if it exceed 600volts for the unprotected igbts which seems to function better than protected ones.

Strangely this is the only circuit in multisim which would consume 80% to 100% of cpu in my laptop at resonance.Do lookout for this strange effect. :D :D :D






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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5019 on: August 15, 2014, 04:21:30 PM »
 I found a valid capacitor!  Mouser/Wima 0.47uf  1KVDC claimed function: snubber high current
 I found a half value capacitor that is a Hi-Q 2KV transmitting capacitor, I'll bet it's expensive with a long deliver time. 
 Some inductors from China.

magpwr,

I don't intend to do much more unless the project somehow disappears. I will use your suggested IC's if I were to do more.
While it's not very common, I will offer to *Fund* certain aspects of your project if it would help you. For example to find
the highest Q LC's by trying more manufactures components, or do the project quicker, or better, Like printed circuit boards ect.
Don't hesitate to communicate with me and ask if you come across something worthy.


:S:MarkSCoffman


People like to build simple DC to AC square wave inverters out of a twelve volt CT transformer and a couple of FET's as per youtube.
If they were to build a second order modified sinewave inverter, That waveform is: +,off,-,off... with timing closest to a sinewave from
an FET H-bridge then attach it to an acid/lead battery without a filter cap. One would get an AC 120Hz pulse stream directly from the battery.
This is well within the range that anomalous discharge characteristic of acid/lead batteries seem to occur. Caution would be indicated but
would be an interesting thing to try.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5020 on: August 16, 2014, 06:50:20 AM »
I found a valid capacitor!  Mouser/Wima 0.47uf  1KVDC claimed function: snubber high current
 I found a half value capacitor that is a Hi-Q 2KV transmitting capacitor, I'll bet it's expensive with a long deliver time. 
 Some inductors from China.

magpwr,

I don't intend to do much more unless the project somehow disappears. I will use your suggested IC's if I were to do more.
While it's not very common, I will offer to *Fund* certain aspects of your project if it would help you. For example to find
the highest Q LC's by trying more manufactures components, or do the project quicker, or better, Like printed circuit boards ect.
Don't hesitate to communicate with me and ask if you come across something worthy.


:S:MarkSCoffman


People like to build simple DC to AC square wave inverters out of a twelve volt CT transformer and a couple of FET's as per youtube.
If they were to build a second order modified sinewave inverter, That waveform is: +,off,-,off... with timing closest to a sinewave from
an FET H-bridge then attach it to an acid/lead battery without a filter cap. One would get an AC 120Hz pulse stream directly from the battery.
This is well within the range that anomalous discharge characteristic of acid/lead batteries seem to occur. Caution would be indicated but
would be an interesting thing to try.

hi mscoffman,

I found the best modern alternative besides mica capacitors after doing some research in radio sites.I have made serious $$ mistake by buying metalized capacitor.
Please avoid metalized version at all cost as these capacitors at high frequency would have inductance effect.

We need to go for recommended type of capacitors foil/film based.
The induction heating capacitors is the best choice reason because of it's low ESR and it's Polypropylene Film."Source ebay  seller China"
Typically 1200VDC Rated.

The best is of course Teflon and mica capacitors.I have seen Teflon capacitors sold in ebay but it's expensive.

Please avoid using PWM generator at the initial stage of the experiment due to slight frequency stability issue.
I find that using signal generator set at 3...4% duty cycle is able to provide necessary signal to TC4428(1.5Amp rated) even via 1 x 1k resistor connected to both input of TC4428(22volts max).Both input channel is of I/C:TC4428 is tied together.

I would prefer to fund my own project.Thanks for the support anyway.


I will now create a new topic -Longitudinal Wave Experiment to demonstrate Overunity


Please follow me over in the new topic.

I have broken the 5Amp  barrier(40watts down to 12watts estimate) and now with my version 6.0 its runing on <2Amp at 6.6volts powering 750watt bulb instead of 500watt bulb.


"It looks like i was hijacking this Dally topic"
:D :D :D
 


 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5021 on: August 16, 2014, 02:22:32 PM »
   Been hunting for the new forum but cannot find.

Can you post a link here?

Would like to follow you as well.

thay

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5022 on: August 16, 2014, 02:32:44 PM »
   Been hunting for the new forum but cannot find.

Can you post a link here?

Would like to follow you as well.

thay

hi,

http://www.overunity.com/14865/longitudinal-wave-experiment-to-demonstrate-overunity/

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5023 on: August 23, 2014, 04:44:43 PM »
   MenofFather:
   Have you built the circuit below? If so, what were your results?
   I notice that this is the same circuit that Ruslan is using on induction part of his circuit. It is much simpler version than the Akula's second video crt.
  Do you know why the crossover diodes are not the same, as in Ruslan's diagram?
   Do you think that using IN5408 diodes as the crossover diodes would be ok?
   Are the R1-R4 resistors 7.5 ohm?  I have several of the 3 watt or 5 watt 460 ohm resistors that I use on the Mazilli crt. Would those work in place of the 7.5 ohm resistors?
   Do you think that the ideas for a circuit mentioned above can be used similar to the Mazilli crt, even without the duty cycle, and frequency adjuster 494 and other IC, for now?


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #5024 on: August 24, 2014, 03:13:36 PM »
   MenofFather:
   Have you built the circuit below? If so, what were your results?
   I notice that this is the same circuit that Ruslan is using on induction part of his circuit. It is much simpler version than the Akula's second video crt.
  Do you know why the crossover diodes are not the same, as in Ruslan's diagram?
   Do you think that using IN5408 diodes as the crossover diodes would be ok?
   Are the R1-R4 resistors 7.5 ohm?  I have several of the 3 watt or 5 watt 460 ohm resistors that I use on the Mazilli crt. Would those work in place of the 7.5 ohm resistors?
   Do you think that the ideas for a circuit mentioned above can be used similar to the Mazilli crt, even without the duty cycle, and frequency adjuster 494 and other IC, for now?
" Have you built the circuit below? If so, what were your results?"
Yes, I build, but I not get overunity.
My results is in some places (video), but I now have slow internet, to search them.
"Do you know why the crossover diodes are not the same, as in Ruslan's diagram?"
That is crosover diodes?
" Are the R1-R4 resistors 7.5 ohm?"
R3 and R4 is 7.5 ohm. R1 and R2 I not see in schematic.
" I have several of the 3 watt or 5 watt 460 ohm resistors that I use on the Mazilli crt. Would those work in place of the 7.5 ohm resistors?"
It works on low frenquency (100-1000 Hz). On hight frenqency it can not wok good. It can work maybe on not more that 10-30 kiloherc. So better use at least 70 omh resitors.
" Do you think that the ideas for a circuit mentioned above can be used similar to the Mazilli crt, even without the duty cycle, and frequency adjuster 494 and other IC, for now?"
You can use Mazili, but then you need made same mazili resonance with series resonance, so for you harder be made series resonance. And duty cycle is not inmportant in TL in Ruslan Divice. :)