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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8998558 times)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3930 on: January 18, 2014, 06:56:45 PM »
  Hoppy:
 
  Try to add a filter cap after your rectifier, to see what it does when connected to the input. 
  Also try a Pc backup transformer to down step the voltage that goes to feed back the battery.  Those are the only two ways that I've seen that MAY work.
 

Nick,

I tried the transformer earlier and I get a nice 110V across the lamp and trafo input and around 55V open circuit on the trafo output (step-down). However, when rectified, smoothed and connected across the battery, the input current actually rises a few hundredth's of an amp and the voltage across the smoothing cap drops to zero. The transformer is being shunted by the much lower resistance of the lamp, so very little current is being drawn by the transformer and its battery load. I've tried this with several FE type setups in the past and its clearly not a way forward to improved system efficiency let alone self-running!

I have to clear my bench for a work project next week but will keep the replication intact and return to it if Geo comes up with a loop back solution.

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« Reply #3930 on: January 18, 2014, 06:56:45 PM »

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« Reply #3931 on: January 18, 2014, 07:06:00 PM »
  Hoppy:
   
  Each of the additional tuning caps provide for a higher voltage output reading, possibly at the expense of the current output levels. But just how many of those caps need to be added to both side of the flyback to see higher resonance and total output, is the question. This kind of tuning may need to be done while a 500+ load is connected.



Nick,

You can tune to a load of your choice and do not have to have a 500W plus load.

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« Reply #3932 on: January 18, 2014, 11:33:52 PM »
  Ok, thanks Hoppy. I understand...

  Well, I reversed the flyback secondary, but it didn't make a whole lot of difference. 
  Adding a couple of tuning caps to the air core, and some flyback ferrite pieces to the inside the pvc pipe, did not give me amazing results, either. But, the bulb will hardly light without the single piece of ferrite, which is what makes it work best. Adding more ferrite pieces only decreases the output.
  My meter is connected at the bulb, and it is tapped to the right, which is on the 1000v AC setting. If that is to be trusted (I doubt it).
  The 25 watt bulb is barely lit, (about 20%, or so), 100w bulbs will not light. Adding more ferrite to the pipe does not improve performance. Just a single piece is working best, for now.
  I'll continue tuning, after a couple more beers...  May not help, but doesn't hurt either.
  Here's a pic, any suggestions are welcome.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3933 on: January 19, 2014, 10:00:55 AM »
 
Nick,

You may have the two halves your ferrite trafo primary in anti-phase. A photo of the underside of the primary winding will enable me to determine this.

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« Reply #3934 on: January 19, 2014, 11:06:59 AM »
.../...

A load current reading of 7.8A was taken using a 0.1R shunt resistor in series with the 24V battery. The no-load current was 5.1A.

It is straightforward to measure the current using a 'shunt' resistor simply by measuring the voltage across the resistor and using Ohms law to calculate the current. A scope is not essential for this measurement as the waveform is not very complex and can be measured fairly accurately using a DVM. I tried a Fluke DVM and a cheapo DVM and both gave very close readings to the scope measurement, as did my Fluke DC clamp meter directly reading the current. The shunt resistor can either be obtained as a single 0.1R (either 1% or 5% tolerance & min 10W) power resistor or made-up using 10 x 1R (min 1W) resistors connected in parallel. The resistor(s) should ideally be non-inductive types but for measuring this setup where we do not need high accuracy, ordinary ceramic type power resistors can be used. The shunt resistor and DVM can be permanently connected whilst experimenting so that measurements can be seen at a glance whilst connecting different loads and coil arrangements.

It will be clearly seen from this exercise that adding a load to the output winding will increase the current drawn from the battery.

In regards to looping-back. If the AC terminals of a full wave rectifier is connected across the secondary of the ferrite trafo and FWBR pos and neg connected across battery, then the current rises by 5A and the bulb reduces in brightness. If the FWBR is connected across the load, then the current reduces to 4.5A and the bulb extinguishes.
It is so glad to see there are experimenters who have true rationlity and honesty in there measurements, I would dream guys like you could join me on the enhancement of the Richard Vialle's Autogen ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

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« Reply #3935 on: January 19, 2014, 11:21:48 AM »
  Ok, guys:
  Here's a pic of what I got done today. It's not much, although it took a while.
  RMG air coil was partially built up using 10 turns of thick (unknown gauge wire) for the primary, a 70 turns (red, thinner wire) output coil, and and a white 27 turn (resonant coil, or feed-back coil). 
 .../...
Dear NickZ, looks to me a nice thing having multiple colour for wires like you did (don't know i if it was on purpose) cause it very helps to understand the viewer of the pics to understand what is going on; Thanks for the idea :)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3936 on: January 19, 2014, 11:44:41 AM »
Nick,

I tried the transformer earlier and I get a nice 110V across the lamp and trafo input and around 55V open circuit on the trafo output (step-down). However, when rectified, smoothed and connected across the battery, the input current actually rises a few hundredth's of an amp and the voltage across the smoothing cap drops to zero. The transformer is being shunted by the much lower resistance of the lamp, so very little current is being drawn by the transformer and its battery load. I've tried this with several FE type setups in the past and its clearly not a way forward to improved system efficiency let alone self-running!

I have to clear my bench for a work project next week but will keep the replication intact and return to it if Geo comes up with a loop back solution.
Dear Hoppy, what about in a first time to just "off" the light bulb so that the transfo will no more be shunted by (but with the necessary tuning) and see what is going on with the current drawn in the circuit and the voltage, to check if any exponential phenomenon?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3937 on: January 19, 2014, 01:00:02 PM »
  Ok, thanks Hoppy. I understand...

  Well, I reversed the flyback secondary, but it didn't make a whole lot of difference. 
  Adding a couple of tuning caps to the air core, and some flyback ferrite pieces to the inside the pvc pipe, did not give me amazing results, either. But, the bulb will hardly light without the single piece of ferrite, which is what makes it work best. Adding more ferrite pieces only decreases the output.
  My meter is connected at the bulb, and it is tapped to the right, which is on the 1000v AC setting. If that is to be trusted (I doubt it).
  The 25 watt bulb is barely lit, (about 20%, or so), 100w bulbs will not light. Adding more ferrite to the pipe does not improve performance. Just a single piece is working best, for now.
  I'll continue tuning, after a couple more beers...  May not help, but doesn't hurt either.
  Here's a pic, any suggestions are welcome.

Hi Nickz,

I do know using fix capacitor to achieve L/C resonance is a way more challenging than using a movable ferrite rod/pieces within core.
My suggestion-
Do try to put ferrite pieces in a pvc pipe or ferrite rod then slowly move in or out.Great deal of patience is needed similar to tuning a crystal radio but in this case a light bulb.

Recall the old posting somewhere last year related to a experimenter in China-Don Smith replication.CW & CCW was used with capacitor.The inner pvc pipe was to be be moved in or out manually to achieve
resonance.

I have attached an image to help to you recall.Please use that video as a rough guide for the connections.The circuit diagram drawn in site seems to be inaccurate,likely the video demo is the latest.

I have also attached the site related to building guide along with video after short advertisement.Please use google to translate site chinese to english.

http://user.qzone.qq.com/278885050/blog/1378191565#!app=2&via=QZ.HashRefresh&pos=1378191565

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This is the most informative video related to achieving resonance between CW /CCW coil
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Please do watch this video which i have easily replicated such that the oscilloscope would show a rising waveform.Please play around with expanding or contracting both CW/CCW coil with similar matching capacitor such that both CW/CCW L/C resonance is the same.Before carrying out the experiment shown in youtube link.

I was using 2n2 50KV caps for the spark gap with flyback transformer.Please do set  probe to 10x range which is connected to receiving coil as shown in video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7QiI8p1gi4
 

 

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« Reply #3938 on: January 19, 2014, 03:15:27 PM »
 The Don Smith type device replication on the Chinese video has been shown, seen and refered to several times now. I just made a reference to it, a couple of post ago.
  I have been tuning the air core using ferrite pieces, moving them around inside the core.  As well as tuning using different value caps, etz. 
Have you been following my posts? No?
 
  Do you have a working GeoFusion RMG device replication? As that is what is being worked on here, at this time.
 

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« Reply #3939 on: January 19, 2014, 04:09:12 PM »
Hi All,
I have some questions with diagrams and device of Chinese friend this test: It refers to the device's OU not?   

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« Reply #3940 on: January 19, 2014, 05:18:56 PM »
Dear Hoppy, what about in a first time to just "off" the light bulb so that the transfo will no more be shunted by (but with the necessary tuning) and see what is going on with the current drawn in the circuit and the voltage, to check if any exponential phenomenon?


No phenomenon here Khwartz.

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« Reply #3941 on: January 19, 2014, 05:37:21 PM »
How about integrating this into the experiment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qSe2YsEQM

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« Reply #3943 on: January 19, 2014, 06:15:38 PM »
The Don Smith type device replication on the Chinese video has been shown, seen and refered to several times now. I just made a reference to it, a couple of post ago.
  I have been tuning the air core using ferrite pieces, moving them around inside the core.  As well as tuning using different value caps, etz. 
Have you been following my posts? No?
 
  Do you have a working GeoFusion RMG device replication? As that is what is being worked on here, at this time.
 

Hi Nickz,

Please do accept my apologies. :D
I definately  did miss couple of important posting and  merely recalled those that i find interesting which a copy of image or links was saved locally.
I only became interested in this topic after Grumage did some video presentation somewhere around July or Aug 2013.

Related to Geofusion RMG device-
Recently i was experimenting with 3 inch toroid(Green colored,Iron powder toroid) instead of Yoke core ,combining with Mazilli oscillator with my usual 600v mosfet(IPW65R037C6). 

Using 3inch toroid the max power drainage from battery was 70watt with 1KW halogen load for around 10 seconds after which the power hit around 320watt which i had to quickly disconnect the power to save mosfet.

I then proceed to use PWM circuit with inverted/non-inverted output to 2 mosfets .Before connecting the Halogen bulb.I tune the frequency on PWM circuit(using below 50% duty cycle) until i achieve maximum voltage output from toroid for the lowest power drawn around 1.8watt using 12volt battery at around 70volts output for 37 turns at secondary and 6-0-6 for the primary.
Choke is not needed at positive supply for pwm based oscillator.

Using pwm circuit the maximum brightness\power achieved was around 130watt(using watt meter) for a few seconds before i destroyed one of my 600volt mosfet (IPW65R037C6).
The root cause-I used a smaller heatsink compared to the ones i used in my youtube video Roundcore replication attempt 1.0. .. 5.0

I am having big problems finding a decent large size heatsink locally.The price for large heatsink found in internet is insane around $60...$80 each for a piece of aluminum metal.
Because of this heatsink issue if you noticed carefully all my recent video presentation are all kept short within 2minutes. ???
To Geofusion  -I am staying in an island as well(Singapore 50km wide and surrounded by sea.Pirates still exist even in this century in nearby countries) ;D . ;D ;D

Can anyone recommend me a site to purchase decent large heatsink cheaply.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3944 on: January 19, 2014, 06:31:36 PM »
Hi Nickz,

Please do accept my apologies. :D
I definately  did miss couple of important posting and  merely recalled those that i find interesting which a copy of image or links was saved locally.
I only became interested in this topic after Grumage did some video presentation somewhere around July or Aug 2013.

Related to Geofusion RMG device-
Recently i was experimenting with 3 inch toroid(Green colored,Iron powder toroid) instead of Yoke core ,combining with Mazilli oscillator with my usual 600v mosfet(IPW65R037C6). 

Using 3inch toroid the max power drainage from battery was 70watt with 1KW halogen load for around 10 seconds after which the power hit around 320watt which i had to quickly disconnect the power to save mosfet.

I then proceed to use PWM circuit with inverted/non-inverted output to 2 mosfets .Before connecting the Halogen bulb.I tune the frequency on PWM circuit(using below 50% duty cycle) until i achieve maximum voltage output from toroid for the lowest power drawn around 1.8watt using 12volt battery at around 70volts output for 37 turns at secondary and 6-0-6 for the primary.
Choke is not needed at positive supply for pwm based oscillator.

Using pwm circuit the maximum brightness\power achieved was around 130watt(using watt meter) for a few seconds before i destroyed one of my 600volt mosfet (IPW65R037C6).
The root cause-I used a smaller heatsink compared to the ones i used in my youtube video Roundcore replication attempt 1.0. .. 5.0

I am having big problems finding a decent large size heatsink locally.The price for large heatsink found in internet is insane around $60...$80 each for a piece of aluminum metal.
To Geofusion  -I am staying in an island as well(Singapore 50km wide and surrounded by sea.Pirates still exist even in this century in nearby countries) ;D . ;D ;D

Can anyone recommend me a site to purchase decent large heatsink cheaply.
 


Look at scrap yard collecting electric/electronic waste. They may sell you dismantled heatsinks fro old electric apparatus. Alternatively old TV set contain an aluminium heatsink but not very pretty looking  ;D

 

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