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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8785356 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3915 on: January 17, 2014, 12:36:54 PM »
Hi Hoppy and Nick  ;D

Niceee, I'm actually glad you guyz are working on it! :)
but what I wanted to see if you guyz could measure the amps of input and output soon as you have it at the
Output coils, to see what it does when connecting the load. If amps decrease in input and if it increases output amps.
It's some measurement I did long ago with some meters but I have to do it again to be sure of my self. It was only 1 day of measurement. As mentioned by Hoppy.


Hi Geo,

I carried out a scope measurement of the load / no-load current for my 120V / 60W bulb connected to the 80 turn secondary tuned to max brightness with 6uF of cap across the 10 turn primary.

A load current reading of 7.8A was taken using a 0.1R shunt resistor in series with the 24V battery. The no-load current was 5.1A.

It is straightforward to measure the current using a 'shunt' resistor simply by measuring the voltage across the resistor and using Ohms law to calculate the current. A scope is not essential for this measurement as the waveform is not very complex and can be measured fairly accurately using a DVM. I tried a Fluke DVM and a cheapo DVM and both gave very close readings to the scope measurement, as did my Fluke DC clamp meter directly reading the current. The shunt resistor can either be obtained as a single 0.1R (either 1% or 5% tolerance & min 10W) power resistor or made-up using 10 x 1R (min 1W) resistors connected in parallel. The resistor(s) should ideally be non-inductive types but for measuring this setup where we do not need high accuracy, ordinary ceramic type power resistors can be used. The shunt resistor and DVM can be permanently connected whilst experimenting so that measurements can be seen at a glance whilst connecting different loads and coil arrangements.

It will be clearly seen from this exercise that adding a load to the output winding will increase the current drawn from the battery.

In regards to looping-back. If the AC terminals of a full wave rectifier is connected across the secondary of the ferrite trafo and FWBR pos and neg connected across battery, then the current rises by 5A and the bulb reduces in brightness. If the FWBR is connected across the load, then the current reduces to 4.5A and the bulb extinguishes.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2014, 03:24:34 PM by Hoppy »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3915 on: January 17, 2014, 12:36:54 PM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3916 on: January 17, 2014, 01:24:42 PM »

I love playing with HV.


@Grum C  It doesn't hurt (much).  I saw your comment to GeoFusion on YouTube.   ;)


DonL

A word of warning:

"RF currents do not stimulate nerves. Therefore, one can have high frequency electric currents flowing through the body without feeling anything."

See: http://www.capturedlightning.org/hot-streamer/TeslaCoils/Safety/safety.htm

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3917 on: January 17, 2014, 04:48:29 PM »
A word of warning:

"RF currents do not stimulate nerves. Therefore, one can have high frequency electric currents flowing through the body without feeling anything."

See: http://www.capturedlightning.org/hot-streamer/TeslaCoils/Safety/safety.htm

Regards Itsu


Thank you.  That's important information that should be viewed by everyone.
DonL


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3918 on: January 17, 2014, 04:58:39 PM »
And some more good information
here
http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg383479/#new
 
Jack is exploring an anomoly with a well planned thread  a very simple build with a nice PDF 

Just a few measurements and this could be very good.
 
Chet
 
 

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« Reply #3919 on: January 17, 2014, 06:15:18 PM »
   And on a VERY serious note here   :o

  RF leaves some very serious burns. I can attest to that
first handed.  500W linear amp and it got me good. Just
a small burn spot at first, then opened up a very large
gaping sore. Never take this warning lightly. Think MW oven.

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« Reply #3920 on: January 17, 2014, 06:26:54 PM »
Hi Geo,

I carried out a scope measurement of the load / no-load current for my 120V / 60W bulb connected to the 80 turn secondary tuned to max brightness with 6uF of cap across the 10 turn primary.

A load current reading of 7.8A was taken using a 0.1R shunt resistor in series with the 24V battery. The no-load current was 5.1A.

It is straightforward to measure the current using a 'shunt' resistor simply by measuring the voltage across the resistor and using Ohms law to calculate the current. A scope is not essential for this measurement as the waveform is not very complex and can be measured fairly accurately using a DVM. I tried a Fluke DVM and a cheapo DVM and both gave very close readings to the scope measurement, as did my Fluke DC clamp meter directly reading the current. The shunt resistor can either be obtained as a single 0.1R (either 1% or 5% tolerance & min 10W) power resistor or made-up using 10 x 1R (min 1W) resistors connected in parallel. The resistor(s) should ideally be non-inductive types but for measuring this setup where we do not need high accuracy, ordinary ceramic type power resistors can be used. The shunt resistor and DVM can be permanently connected whilst experimenting so that measurements can be seen at a glance whilst connecting different loads and coil arrangements.

It will be clearly seen from this exercise that adding a load to the output winding will increase the current drawn from the battery.

In regards to looping-back. If the AC terminals of a full wave rectifier is connected across the secondary of the ferrite trafo and FWBR pos and neg connected across battery, then the current rises by 5A and the bulb reduces in brightness. If the FWBR is connected across the load, then the current reduces to 4.5A and the bulb extinguishes.

hi Hoppy :)

Thnk you for summary and experience while working with it.
I find this interesting and yet odd :/, it pulls that much current by your readings,I do know about measuring with shunt resistors but I have only done this with Fluke Clamp meter.  hmmm Hoppy can you make pics of the measurement? pls :). I might go retry the measurements soon. Because what I and 2 others have witnessed at the time we measured it, was something odd, yet interesting effect, Guesing maybe there could be still a difference with the Winding Direction needing to be corrected? I have no clue :)
Yes while connecting the Rectifir strait to output it will dim lights when connecting it to  battery.
But not while  using another trafo that manages to make some extra amps on it's own, and rectifying it, see in my part 2 of the RMG vid on youtube. It was a UPS Trafo.
 
Btw make sure you connect few 100W bulbs see what it does, and connect them Parallel and see the readings once more :).
I really have to see this.

In anycase :)  thankyou for trying it out and see what it does.



Itsu:

thnks for the Information part of the HF HV part.
But I think the person that has written the dangers and hazards of tesla coil is still lacking alot of info and Propper understanding although that most of it is true.
I have been playing around it for 6 years, you just need to know the right setting for it able to opperate for the body without a problem. besides it Stimulates you Energetic field and releases stress from the body and musscle cramps.
Btw you need to be grounded otherwise your body will function as a Cap hehe :p

It does burn If you keep it on  one spot on a surface  where you are letting it ark on constantly, but that is why you need to move :)


many other things but I wont Discuss now :). If you all have heard about the Healer Coil of tesla, well there you have it.

Safety is first always while experimenting.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3921 on: January 17, 2014, 07:42:13 PM »
hi Hoppy :)

Thnk you for summary and experience while working with it.
I find this interesting and yet odd :/, it pulls that much current by your readings,I do know about measuring with shunt resistors but I have only done this with Fluke Clamp meter.  hmmm Hoppy can you make pics of the measurement? pls :) . I might go retry the measurements soon. Because what I and 2 others have witnessed at the time we measured it, was something odd, yet interesting effect, Guesing maybe there could be still a difference with the Winding Direction needing to be corrected? I have no clue :)
Yes while connecting the Rectifir strait to output it will dim lights when connecting it to  battery.
But not while  using another trafo that manages to make some extra amps on it's own, and rectifying it, see in my part 2 of the RMG vid on youtube. It was a UPS Trafo.
 
Btw make sure you connect few 100W bulbs see what it does, and connect them Parallel and see the readings once more :) .
I really have to see this.

In anycase :)  thankyou for trying it out and see what it does.



Geo,

I have attached two photos showing the on-load and off-load clamp meter measurements. The measurements are a bit down as the battery has dropped voltage a little due to my testing after I posted the first readings.

I cannot get hold of 100W / 120V bulbs but will see if I can get some more 60W lamps. As you know, the domestic voltage in the UK is 240V.

The shunt resistor method of measuring current is very easy and will allow Nick to measure his current levels as he does not have a DC clamp meter.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3922 on: January 17, 2014, 09:43:34 PM »
  a core a ferrite or soft iron will always play a role of trafo. unless you know how to nullify core effects. so a better way is to use a cw and ccw coil as a core with a capacitor in between. kapanadze coils are coreless. no ferrite or no soft iron. the only way is to use inductionless coils or brass/copper/alluminium/tin plates as a core.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3923 on: January 18, 2014, 02:35:30 AM »
We do not know what's in Kapanadze's tin can. But it should be something that resonates at 50Hz. Hence the question is, how to build a 50Hz resonant LC circuit without a ferrite or soft iron core in the coil L?

Ideas?

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« Reply #3924 on: January 18, 2014, 04:30:56 AM »
  Ok, guys:
  Here's a pic of what I got done today. It's not much, although it took a while.
  RMG air coil was partially built up using 10 turns of thick (unknown gauge wire) for the primary, a 70 turns (red, thinner wire) output coil, and and a white 27 turn (resonant coil, or feed-back coil). 
  Output from the air coils is not lighting anything yet. I may have to invert the flyback secondary, although the flyback primary is giving me a reading of over 1000v. Analog meter needle is nailed to the right on 1000v setting.
  I have not had a chance to add the ferrite pieces inside the air coil, yet. Or more tuning caps, as I couldn't get any more of those tuning caps at the nearest town.
  I'll add the ferrite pieces to the core tomorrow, and more tuning caps, also.
 Just wanted you to see what I've done so far. More to come...
I had too many beers tonight, just going to bed...
                                                                         Cheers.
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #3925 on: January 18, 2014, 10:30:58 AM »
Hi Geo,

You say above that: "Yes while connecting the Rectifir strait to output it will dim lights when connecting it to  battery.
But not while using another trafo that manages to make some extra amps on it's own, and rectifying it, see in my part 2 of the RMG vid on youtube. It was a UPS Trafo."

A trafo cannot make extra amps on its own. Your bulbs do not dim significantly when the flouro tube is connected to the trafo because it draws very little current, so very little additional load is added. If you step-down the voltage and rectify to charge a battery and draw more current, you may then see the bulbs dimming.

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« Reply #3926 on: January 18, 2014, 04:08:41 PM »
  Ok, guys:
  Here's a pic of what I got done today. It's not much, although it took a while.
  RMG air coil was partially built up using 10 turns of thick (unknown gauge wire) for the primary, a 70 turns (red, thinner wire) output coil, and and a white 27 turn (resonant coil, or feed-back coil). 
  Output from the air coils is not lighting anything yet. I may have to invert the flyback secondary, although the flyback primary is giving me a reading of over 1000v. Analog meter needle is nailed to the right on 1000v setting.
  I have not had a chance to add the ferrite pieces inside the air coil, yet. Or more tuning caps, as I couldn't get any more of those tuning caps at the nearest town.
  I'll add the ferrite pieces to the core tomorrow, and more tuning caps, also.
 Just wanted you to see what I've done so far. More to come...
I had too many beers tonight, just going to bed...
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Dear Nick.

Thanks for your picture. If that is what can be achieved after some beers could you tell me what brand you drink ??   ;D  I need a crate !!  ;D

Seriously though, very well done, please keep us posted??

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #3927 on: January 18, 2014, 04:17:19 PM »
  Grum:
   Thanks,  I'll continue on this circuit today.
   We really, really, really need to get the feedback path down pat. 
   That's what I'm most concerned about fiddling with...

   Hoppy: Thanks for helping out, especially with your scope shots and looping results.
   Geo:     Any new ideas, builds, or improvements???

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« Reply #3928 on: January 18, 2014, 04:28:40 PM »
  Grum:
   Thanks,  I'll continue on this circuit today.
   We really, really, really need to get the feedback path down pat. 
   That's what I'm most concerned about fiddling with...

   Hoppy: Thanks for helping out, especially with your scope shots and looping results.
   Geo:     Any new ideas, builds, or improvements???

Hi Nick,

I'm hoping that Geo has the looping solution. At the moment my replication is only working at around 33% efficiency,  :( so we need some welly feedback on this baby!

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« Reply #3929 on: January 18, 2014, 05:37:13 PM »
  Hoppy:
   I've reversed the flyback secondary coil, and will give it a try to see if that makes any difference.
  The primary coil of the flyback is reading over 1000v without the secondary attached.
I don't know if this reading can be trusted, or not.

  Each of the additional tuning caps provide for a higher voltage output reading, possibly at the expense of the current output levels. But just how many of those caps need to be added to both side of the flyback to see higher resonance and total output, is the question. This kind of tuning may need to be done while a 500+ load is connected.

The Donald Smith Chinese replication used many of those tuning caps, similar to Geos crt. I'll continue trying to find some more caps, or add any more that I can find on hand, for now.

  Try to add a filter cap after your rectifier, to see what it does when connected to the input. 
  Also try a Pc backup transformer to down step the voltage that goes to feed back the battery.  Those are the only two ways that I've seen that MAY work.
 

 

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