Oh, really SL. I'll look into it.  Sorry about talking about electrons, not really something that I have seen,  nor know much about.  What I asked for was some proof, and I get insulted. I asked for some proof that this electron bunching has some thing to do with free  energy. Input to out put measurements, etc. OU, self running? I get insulted.  Oh, I forgot you have no time.
   NickZ

As you know, electrons don't have mass, so not sure about what "electron mass" has to do with free energy.
Electrons are not material or physical particles, either.

oh boy.............
Quote:
"Electron mass is sometimes termed as rest mass because according to the special theory
of relativity, mass of the object is said to vary according to the frame of reference. Electron mass m_e = 9.109 ×10⁻³¹Kilograms"
The electron mass value can be expressed through various units like,
electron mass in amu, electron mass in eV https://byjus.com/physics/electron-mass/


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I also have my doubts about the "speed of electrons". Or if there is any thing to "movement" of electrons, at all.
How about waves? Do waves actually move from one place A to another place B???  Does light actually move? Such as the speed of light?
What is moving? These are not just details, in my book.

Photon doesn't have a  rest mass...
So a photon does have a relativistic mass.
Photons are considered "massless" because their rest mass is zero.
However, a photon can't stand still. A photon moves at a speed "c" in all inertial frames.

One of the consequences of Einstein’s theory of special relativity is that particles which move at the speed of light (c),
can’t have any mass. Or another way to say it is that particles with mass can’t move at the speed of light.
For photons, which of course move at the speed of light, this prediction indeed happens to be true.

This is, of course, the famous equation E=mc², however, it highlights an important point;
mass is simply another form of energy, namely, the energy that any particle has at rest.
This IS the fundamental definition of mass.

= that is totally in line with: energy can be converted to mass and the reverse.

however:
Quote:
"the photon cannot be at rest in a vacuum, it’s impossible to actually measure the rest energy of a photon.
I mean, how do you measure the property of something at rest if it cannot be at rest?"
at that point:
there is a difference of approach about the rest mass of Photon in the article:
https://profoundphysics.com/why-do-photons-have-no-mass-simple-proof/

And official:

What is the rest energy of a photon?The rest energy of a proton is the energy
equivalent to its rest mass and is [math]938.25 MeV [/math] as shown in picture.
How to: Fix your dark spots. Surgeon explains at home fix for dark spots and uneven skin tones on skin.
The rest energy of any substance is defined by the Einstein's mass energy equivalence relation.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-rest-energy-of-a-proton

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BTW: Guys, I am very disgusted by what
I see still going on at OUR.com.  It's sick, what is allowed to happen with the Troll there. No use posting anything there, as this guy
will just regurgitate another one of his paid for replies, about how free energy does not exist, and that never has existed.
And how dumb we all are for even trying. Yet he is in a free energy forum to disrupt it, and will never have anything to do with what the forum is about

_{Take an example of me and my interaction to better understand NickZ comment}
the nature of any past, current or future controversy between
-me and solarlab
-me and nickZ
-me and  F6*LT
-or me and anyone else.
--------------------
Scientific and technical analysis:
if something they say or they claim doesn't agree with  official physics is:
 wrong, or proper rules have not been applied yet, or we don't yet know what rules can be applied
to given phenomena in question.

Social analysis:
1. motivated by financial gain, from entities or countries whose goal is
   disrupting, misleading, disorganizing, breaking progress, diversion,
   individuals have no place in this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   e.g far eastern Euro/Asian country of  feudal imperialistic dictatorship.
2. small forum, self-esteem gainers, seeking attention - _{according to point 3}
3. Lacking proper education, frozen in time elements of the crowd
    Ignoring natural progress in physics, that is correcting old models, or making
    new one.
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Summary:
while trying to make this forum  respected, visited,  analyzed, quoted,
and people willing to experiment, invests time and resources
I was pushed to confrontation with some individuals having different agenda.

HE is no ones friend, nor is he there to help.

Dear NickZ
I am here to help, and be helped if needed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Individuals trying to understand, build, experiment
are motivated by gain, in any form and don't have to be or become friends.
Gain can be financial, emotional, real or not so much  specified yet.


Wesley

PS: thank you solarlab for your recent comments.  it was a good one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0BOpiMQXQA

Solarlab

Energy gain is NOT achieved by wave addition (interference waves) since each wave only adds it's original power to the coincident wave.
A reflected wave on a transmission line caused by a short or open at one, or both, ends will incrementally increase in value over many
reflections but will not yield excess energy.

Energy gain IS achieved by ELECTRON VELOCITY through " e = mc2 or e = mv2 " where e is the energy, m is the mass of the electron,
and c2 is the square of the speed of light, or v2 is the velocity of the electron. 

That may be the most relevant and intelligent statement I have heard here in a long time, well said.

Regards
AC

Quote

Energy gain is NOT achieved by wave addition (interference waves) since each wave only adds it's original power to the coincident wave.
A reflected wave on a transmission line caused by a short or open at one, or both, ends will incrementally increase in value over many
reflections but will not yield excess energy.

unquote

I'm not sure that's entirely a true statement. I can remember my collage days a different century doing
this test with 50 ohm co-ax a TX device and a scope, if the stub was set to a pacific frequency and the stub
was O/C or S/C we got a reflection in phase or 90 deg out of phase, if the reflection was in phase but opposite
we got a canceling egg shape however if in phase and tuned to be on top of the original it added with a bigger
amplitude and this could blow up the receiver. So what do you believe

Sil

Solarlab
That may be the most relevant and intelligent statement I have heard here in a long time, well said.

Regards
AC

   AC:  You mean that you would like it to be relevant and intelligent. But, is it, really? I did ask for some proof, as that is a claim.   Without proof, we are just pissing into the wind. So, don't get offensive. But, conventional science will not disclose one iota about how free energy works.
 
    I mentioned basically the same thing as SL, but, that there is only a slight benefit in output, from just an additive wave, nor will it produce OU, nor self running. As that is what this is all about, not just running one wave onto another one, without much if any additional output. Or, what's the point? Accelerating electrons, at what cost? No cost?
   
   However, an interuptive signal wave, will, that is the difference. It is NOT additive, but interuptive, instead.  The idea is to use that type of wave signal or action, instead. Which is what I have been trying to do. Same as was shown by Ruslan, Stalker, and Adrian, etc.
   
   However, IF it's the harvesting of Mass that you want, that is not OU, nor free energy, as it's still burning material things up, for energy. Aren't we beyond that??? I guess not...

    Anyway, that is the way I understand what it takes for free energy to be real. At least we hope to see it doing so, soon.
  Like the woodpecker signal used in defense, and in weapons of war, which is able to injure people by this focused EM pulse.
   Of course, you can always just keep burning things, as in a wood burning stove. Like Europe is going to need to do this winter.But, in some areas of the U.S, even a B.B.Q. fire is not even permitted. Soon that's how it will have to be everywhere.   I doubt that the space ships that you saw flying around were running on wood burners...  Right? AC?

   NickZ

   AC:  You mean that you would like it to be relevant and intelligent. But, is it, really? I did ask for some proof, as that is a claim.   Without proof, we are just pissing into the wind. So, don't get offensive. But, conventional science will not disclose one iota about how free energy works.
 
    I mentioned basically the same thing as SL, but, that there is only a slight benefit in output, from just an additive wave, nor will it produce OU, nor self running. As that is what this is all about, not just running one wave onto another one, without much if any additional output. Or, what's the point? Accelerating electrons, at what cost? No cost?
   
   However, an interuptive signal wave, will, that is the difference. It is NOT additive, but interuptive, instead.  The idea is to use that type of wave signal or action, instead. Which is what I have been trying to do. Same as was shown by Ruslan, Stalker, and Adrian, etc.
   
   However, IF it's the harvesting of Mass that you want, that is not OU, nor free energy, as it's still burning material things up, for energy. Aren't we beyond that??? I guess not...

    Anyway, that is the way I understand what it takes for free energy to be real. At least we hope to see it doing so, soon.
  Like the woodpecker signal used in defense, and in weapons of war, which is able to injure people by this focused EM pulse.
   Of course, you can always just keep burning things, as in a wood burning stove. Like Europe is going to need to do this winter.But, in some areas of the U.S, even a B.B.Q. fire is not even permitted. Soon that's how it will have to be everywhere.   I doubt that the space ships that you saw flying around were running on wood burners...  Right? AC?

   NickZ

Hi Nick. I don't know what the secret is, yet  , but I think having a good external earth ground is probably a good start for Kapanadze type circuits.

   Void:   Nice to see you back. Well I can tell you, that you didn't miss too much. No one knows the secret, either.  Gives us something to work on...
   NickZ