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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 7214404 times)

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17625 on: August 08, 2017, 12:58:12 PM »
Nick,

ok, try the 222 (2.2nF) it could work, but as can be seen in the linked procedure, lateron you need a cap between 4 to 10 times of 1/3th of that 2.2nF cap. (if that really halfs the ringing)
1/3th of 2.2nF = 733pF          4x 733 = 2.9nF      10x 733 = 7.3nF,  so a C between 2.9 and 7.3nF

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3835


Anyway, will work that out when you are ready.

Itsu
note this pic your wanting to remove oscillations all you need to get rid of are the spikes you need to keep the ringing ! or just give up because your destroying what you need ! YOUR DISTROYING THE DIPOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its why your getting no where, got it now ?

It might be an idea to increase the ringing to obtain more F you can do this by reducing the on time. got it ?

PS why is reb waveform off when it should be on / is it inverted ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17625 on: August 08, 2017, 12:58:12 PM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17626 on: August 08, 2017, 02:00:25 PM »

No need to shout, i get it, i just don't believe it or care.



Concerning your PS, we have been there before, just look it up, see the below link (conclusion) and go back from there.

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg475188/#msg475188


Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17627 on: August 08, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »
  Alien Grey:
  You sound like you might need a Snicker Bar, or two...
  You would be more believe able if you were showing us what you mean, instead of just saying it.

   Itsu:  Ok, well last night I was up till late again,  checking out the 1/2 frequency when trying out the different caps.
It seams that the main highest peak, which is the main issue here, is what to focus on. And for my set up, the blue 103 (2000v) cap worked best in reducing this main 120v spike. Although it no where near the 200v limit of my fets (IRFP260N).
But, as my two channels are always showing a small difference in amplitude of this ringing, I maybe need two different caps on there. So, I'm still looking into it, but it looks like a doubling up of the snubber caps is what works best for me.  That is, so that the channel with the higher peak on it, that was always overheating it's Fet, is tamed down a bit. And it takes a 222 and a 103 capacitor, (both) in parallel to it, to drop the ringing. But, the main idea is to just drop this peak so that my fets don't go up in smoke. In seconds...
   The Siglent scope should be here shortly. And we can get into the tuning of this more accurately. This peak thing is what is hanging most everyone up, that has tried to get this far.  But, there's the output side of things, to think about, also.
 How much juice will reducing this peak take away from the output?  Hopefully, not much at all.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17627 on: August 08, 2017, 04:23:12 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17628 on: August 08, 2017, 04:52:43 PM »

Nick,

i believe the ringing is causing the heating up of the MOSFETs, not the single spike.
This single spike will (if exceeding the MOSFET voltage rating to long) damage the MOSFET after a while.
So both need to be taken care of.

Tame the ringing, then you probably have found the heating problem.
Then see if the remaining spike is to big for your MOSFET and if so, take care of that spike then.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17629 on: August 08, 2017, 05:21:12 PM »
Nick,

If you still suffer from overheating when you have optimised the snubbers, then re-build your outputs so that the drivers are much closer to the mosfets (ideally no more than 1cm. Use small carbon or metal oxide (0.6W) for the gate resistors.

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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17630 on: August 08, 2017, 05:23:34 PM »
note this pic your wanting to remove oscillations all you need to get rid of are the spikes you need to keep the ringing ! or just give up because your destroying what you need ! YOUR DISTROYING THE DIPOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its why your getting no where, got it now ?

It might be an idea to increase the ringing to obtain more F you can do this by reducing the on time. got it ?

PS why is red waveform off when it should be on / is it inverted ?
In your scope shot you have no ringing rail to rail you have half on half off OVER HEATING your Ferox is useless you need to select a better quality Ferox they make acceptable ones in the factory at Hungary  perhaps its resonance but it needs to be rail to rail like in your internet link pic I put up it's been 5 years now try it. from an Educational point of view.

It's used in power frequency multipliers in circuits used in amateur radio transmitters and repeaters it works! Isn't that what your building? besides that just playing with the modules is ok from an educational point of view but making a device and using it isI'm told is illegal  so I won't be publishing too much thanks. So I will let you guys get on and play with the corrupt disciplines ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17631 on: August 08, 2017, 05:58:28 PM »
Nick,

i believe the ringing is causing the heating up of the MOSFETs, not the single spike.
This single spike will (if exceeding the MOSFET voltage rating to long) damage the MOSFET after a while.
So both need to be taken care of.

Tame the ringing, then you probably have found the heating problem.
Then see if the remaining spike is to big for your MOSFET and if so, take care of that spike then.

Itsu


   Ok, in taming BOTH the ringing and the spikes, this below is what I've some up with, so far.
   The TL494 is running the gates at about 16.5KHz.
   The image below is my drain signal, showing a 60v peak, now.
   The sec/div setting is on 10uf on the image below. And both volt/div are on 20.
    It's running at almost full duty cycle setting. About 43% duty clycle, or so.
   The spikes go up if I lower the duty cycle, any more. So, for now it works best at close to the full duty cycle setting.
   So, these are both my drain signals (below), now. The spikes were dropped to about 60v. So that's about 1/2 of the 120v previous spike voltages. Ringing is considerably tamed, as well.
   Let me know what you think...
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17632 on: August 08, 2017, 07:18:28 PM »

Nick,

this is no good, i only see some spikes on your drains now.
What we should see is ideally a square wave like signal with perhaps some little spike on turnoff time.
Instead i now see NO swithed square wave at all, only a spike.


Not sure what you did, but we where half way in a snubber calculation procedure, please try to focus on that first.  Where you able to half the ringing frequency?
And for the 4th time:  are you running your inductor / wima cap in resonance???   I know it shows about 16.5Khz, but is that the resonance frequency?

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17633 on: August 08, 2017, 08:52:40 PM »
Just in case anyone out there is still interested in the search for OU, ;D
I watched a video from Kapanadze dated 2004-04-28, and based on the
current measurements shown in that video and guessing roughly at the output
voltage across the 5 large bulbs, it calculates to about 80W drawn from the
12V battery and roughly about 5kW to the load, assuming the load was five 1 kW light bulbs.
If I guessed the output roughly right, that would be a COP of about 62 or so. Looks like a quite simple
setup however.  :o Also, a simpler looking coil arrangement.

I will hazard a guess here and say there could possibly be some differences between what Akula actually
did in his second self runner and what is in the schematic that was distributed around...

The sparkgap is showing as mostly violet, so it appears to be conducting quite low current.
In my experience the corona discharge should appear a lot more whitish if higher currents are conducted.
If the sparkgap is not just for show, then its function is mysterious, but to get OU it
seems a given to me that we must think way outside the box. Likely you may have to do some things
that may not seem to make sense. :)




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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17634 on: August 08, 2017, 09:29:21 PM »
Hi Void,

The spark gap idea is maybe a mystery but as i can imagine that those spark gaps do spark at best when using a DC voltage.
This makes maybe some more sense in order to get the grenade charged?

Also in your first posted picture we see a kind of orange cilinder (at the right of the picture) does someone know or can we speculate what that might be....  looks to ma as a kind of big capacitor.

greetngs

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17635 on: August 08, 2017, 09:31:05 PM »
Just in case anyone out there is still interested in the search for OU, ;D
I watched a video from Kapanadze dated 2004-04-28, and based on the
current measurements shown in that video and guessing roughly at the output
voltage across the 5 large bulbs, it calculates to about 80W drawn from the
12V battery and roughly about 5kW to the load, assuming the load was five 1 kW light bulbs.
If I guessed the output roughly right, that would be a COP of about 62 or so. Looks like a quite simple
setup however.  :o Also, a simpler looking coil arrangement.

I will hazard a guess here and say there could possibly be some differences between what Akula actually
did in his second self runner and what is in the schematic that was distributed around...

The sparkgap is showing as mostly violet, so it appears to be conducting quite low current.
In my experience the corona discharge should appear a lot more whitish if higher currents are conducted.
If the sparkgap is not just for show, then its function is mysterious, but to get OU it
seems a given to me that we must think way outside the box. Likely you may have to do some things
that may not seem to make sense. :)

Lots of assumptions there Void.  ;) I think it would more helpful if we could look deep inside his boxes. ;D

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« Reply #17635 on: August 08, 2017, 09:31:05 PM »
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Offline forest

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17636 on: August 08, 2017, 09:40:41 PM »
Blue or violet silent spark indicate that energy is moved elsewhere.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17637 on: August 08, 2017, 09:47:20 PM »
Lots of assumptions there Void.  ;) I think it would more helpful if we could look deep inside his boxes. ;D

Hi Hoppy. Not really too many assumptions... :) What specifically were you thinking were lots of assumptions?
The input power from the battery was roughly about 80 Watts --> 12.5V (estimate) x 6.5a (measured) = 81.25W
My estimation for the output power was that the bulbs were at near full brightness. Someone
had posted in the past that those type of 'Russian' lightbulbs are rated at 1KW.
The measured current to the large bulbs was measured around 25A.
At around 220V, that would be 220V x 25A = 5.5kW.
Even if the actual output power was only 1KW, that would still be a COP of about 12.

If the sparkgap was not just for show, then its purpose may possibly be to provide a shotgun pattern of HV pulses.
Kapanadze's circuitry looked fairly basic in that 2004 video.

Something that I did notice in that 2004 video which I think was also in the later green box video,
was each time the guy flipped the switch to turn on output to the load, he flipped it a couple of
times or so, like the OU effect had to be 'kicked' a few times before it would take... It is possible
they just had a bad switch or relay and needed to flip the switch a few times before it would flip,
but I got the impression the guy flipping the switch in the 2004 video maybe had to flick the switch a couple
of times before the effect would kick in. :D



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17638 on: August 08, 2017, 09:54:43 PM »
Hi Void,

The spark gap idea is maybe a mystery but as i can imagine that those spark gaps do spark at best when using a DC voltage.
This makes maybe some more sense in order to get the grenade charged?

Also in your first posted picture we see a kind of orange cilinder (at the right of the picture) does someone know or can we speculate what that might be....  looks to ma as a kind of big capacitor.

greetngs

Hi apecore. I am not sure what you mean by the orange cylinder, but the can on the very  right hand side
is something like a tobacco can or similar, with a switch mounted on top to switch on the power to the load.
This can is likely housing some basic electronics circuitry.

The soft steady violet glow on the sparkgap looks exactly like low current discharge from high voltage, high frequency AC.
In this video the sparkgap was not pulsing, and it did not have the more whitish glow typical of high current.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17639 on: August 08, 2017, 10:23:37 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Not really too many assumptions... :) What specifically were you thinking were lots of assumptions?
The input power from the battery was roughly about 80 Watts --> 12.5V (estimate) x 6.5a (measured) = 81.25W
My estimation for the output power was that the bulbs were at near full brightness. Someone
had posted in the past that those type of 'Russian' lightbulbs are rated at 1KW.
The measured current to the large bulbs was measured around 25A.
At around 220V, that would be 220V x 25A = 5.5kW.
Even if the actual output power was only 1KW, that would still be a COP of about 12.


The lamp brightness v lamp power rating and the true power rating of those lamps which has been questioned on the Russian forums. The current reading being accurate. Most importantly, that the estimated 12V / 6.5A was the the only source of supply. Nothing seen in his video demonstrations can be used for COP evaluation with any degree of confidence IMO.

 

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