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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 7215995 times)

Offline NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17595 on: August 05, 2017, 05:24:57 PM »
  Itsu and All:
  So I've wound the new yoke, and installed it.  The fet ringing is slightly less but it's hard to tell because I'm running a 24v 18w car bulb on the yoke's input now. Both fets are ringing similar as they were before, maybe a little better, but I'd need to run on the PSU at 24v to really be able to compare.
   The 2nd image is the gate signals.
   The 3rd image is taken with the scope on volt/div on blank (50?), and the sec/div at 1us.
The expanded ringing scope shot is on .5us, and the same volts/div again on blank (50?). 
   Not sure what value is for the volt/div at the blank setting, so I figure that it's possibly at 50.
   Here's some pics, let me know what else you may need to figure the snubber values.
   
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17596 on: August 05, 2017, 06:02:43 PM »

Nick,

looking better,

If the expanded ringing was with 0.5us setting, then the tops of the first 2 peaks are slightly longer then 1 division, so i made it 0.505us, see screenshot below.
This means 1.98Mhz ringing frequency (http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/converters/freq)

Now follow the step 2 of this procedure:  https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3835   meaning you have to add a shunt capacitor
across the drain to ground to reduce the resonant frequency to approximately half or 990Khz (means a time of 1.01us between the first 2 peaks).
Use a good quality ceramic or film capacitor able to handle the peak voltage you see on your scope.

When you have found the correct cap value, take another screenshot of the drains (expanded) and show it, then we can continue with step 3 (Calculate the parasitic inductance).
   
Did you tune the TL494 for resonance of the wima cap / inductor?  What frequency was this resonance frequency?


Thanks Itsu

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« Reply #17597 on: August 06, 2017, 06:01:17 AM »
  Itsu:
  I believe that the 3 division gate signal in the image that I posted was running at 16.7KHz.

  I've been looking to see what caps I have that might work for the snubbers.
But, it's been hard to find a matching pare of the right ones. Like a couple of 222, or so.
I'll continue looking tomorrow for some caps. Otherwise I'll have to order some, which can take a while.
  One question, when you say that the caps should go between the drain and the ground. Is that the same as between the drain and source? Same thing?

   I was looking at some of your Ruslan replication videos, and could see that you had a bit of a hard time with those "nasty spikes" also. Seams like most everyone has. But, you were able to tame them, it seams.
 
   If I touch the fet heatsink with my hand and with bare feet, I can reduce the spikes on the ringing signal by about 25%.  So, I'll be looking some more into the groundings, and such also. Looks like the proper earth grounding is very important for the TL494 board systems. Which seams to help a lot with reducing those spikes. There must be a way to keep the spike downs even without the snubbers, as Stalker doesn't use snubbers, and he's been at this for a while now, also. But maybe he should.
Akula and Ruslan used snubbers, on their fets.
   Anyway, I'll install some caps tomorrow and see what happens.
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17598 on: August 06, 2017, 08:49:02 AM »
Nick, the Source pins of the mosfets are connected to the circuit common negative aka "ground", right?

And the body tabs of the mosfets are internally connected to the Drains. So when you touch your heatsinks, and you have bare feet, you are providing a "snubber" capacitive-resistive connection from Drain to Ground through your own body.

At this point I am unsure of the exact circuit you are using, so it might be good if you could provide it again.


By the way, your focus problem on your scope is almost certainly due to one or more bad resistors in the Focus control's voltage divider, made of a string of 5 or six 1/2 watt resistors of 510k on the main board, resistors R888, R889, R890, R891, R892 and possibly the 75k 1/4 watt R894. These are all grouped together in one place on the board. This is a very easy fix as these things go.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17599 on: August 06, 2017, 11:44:51 AM »

Nick,

my question is if you are running your setup with the wima cap / inductor in resonance as that has a big influence on the spikes / ringing.


Anyway, yes i meant that the snubber test cap should go between drain and source (= ground).

Good point from TK, if your MOSFETs are not isolated from the heatsinks, touching the heatsinks will cause you to be a snubber!

With your 2Mhz ringing signal i guesstimate you should need a test cap of around 1.5nF to half it to 1Mhz

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17600 on: August 06, 2017, 02:18:58 PM »
Nick,

my question is if you are running your setup with the wima cap / inductor in resonance as that has a big influence on the spikes / ringing.


Anyway, yes i meant that the snubber test cap should go between drain and source (= ground).

Good point from TK, if your MOSFETs are not isolated from the heatsinks, touching the heatsinks will cause you to be a snubber!

With your 2Mhz ringing signal i guesstimate you should need a test cap of around 1.5nF to half it to 1Mhz

Itsu
Yes, well from a purely educational point of view, Let me draw your attention to the original circuit 6w and 6 winds at 12 volts in Ruslans thread, your drifting miles off course and you're not getting what Ruslin talked about on the original thread and your ending up with a DC to DC at HF is that what you're aiming for ? IRF 250 and 260 are over kills, there is a lot of BS going on on projects Ruslin warns in his own way people meddling and experimenting and getting nowhere. You won't want a perfect square wave or sine out of the 4 turn wind so get back and experiment with the winds and voltage you want the Ferox to become active or unstable! or chuck it in the bin and get another hobby. The other minor thing is the over spikes you need to connect 2 UF4007 one to each drain with the pos ends common to a charge cap to earth and use a voltage limit zener with a small R in circuit and feed it back into your 12v feed back into the toroid supply.

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« Reply #17601 on: August 06, 2017, 03:32:00 PM »
Yes Let me draw your attention to the original circuit 6w and 6 winds at 12 volts in Ruslans thread, your drifting miles off course and you're not getting what Ruslin talked about on the original thread and your ending up with a DC to DC at HF is that what you're aiming for ? IRF 250 and 260 are over kills, there is a lot of BS going on on projects Ruslin warns in his own way people meddling and experimenting and getting nowhere. You dont won't want a perfect square wave or sine out of the 4 turn wind so get back and experiment with the winds and voltage you want the Ferox to become active or unstable! or chuck it in the bin and get another hoby.

I tend to agree that conventional good practice electronics to create clean waveforms may not be needed for this application. IMO all indicators suggest that chaotic situation is required whereby yoke core instability is essential. That's not to say transient protection is not needed to protect the mosfet junctions from damaging voltage spikes but damping the ringing with snubbers may well be the opposite to what is required to replicate claimed self-runners. If I were to ressurect this project, my approach would be very much away from 'clean' electronics, with an emphasis on experimentation with core material.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17602 on: August 06, 2017, 06:50:44 PM »
Hey guys. People have been doing some very interesting experiments here, and some very good work.
However, I personally think it can be easy to get off track on this sort of stuff.  ;D

My two cents' worth is that if Kapanadze and Akula (and maybe Ruslan) really found OU,
then it may well not be what they were explicitly telling and showing that was really key, but what
they were not emphasizing that is really key. This is why I have been focusing only on basic experiments
for the last while, and looking for unusual effects. Once you find an unusual effect, then you can do
more in depth experiments to try to get a better understanding of what is going on. I think if you are working
blindly with a fairly complicated setup, you may get lucky and hit OU, but you may just be spinning your wheels
for a long time as well. :)

My guess is if a person is going to have a chance to see OU, it is not going to come
from a 'normal' closed loop type of circuit setup. I have been quite busy the last year, but
this is the approach I am focusing on when I get the time to sit at the bench.
I have seen a few interesting effects, but nothing really concrete as of yet. The experiments continue. :)

Some of the most promising experiments I have seen on youtube are where people keep it to a simple
setup and watch closely for unusual effects. If you look at Kapanadze's first videos, it was
a very simple setup. If it really is OU, then there is an unusual effect hiding in that simple setup.  ;D
What did Kapanadze have that could take things outside of a normal closed loop setup? (hint, hint)  ;D
I think people who have been at this for a while can probably take some good guesses at it,
and come up with some basic experiments to put it to the test. This is my own approach anyway.  ;)

Good luck with your experiments guys!



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« Reply #17603 on: August 06, 2017, 07:09:01 PM »
   Seams to me that the TL494 circuit doesn't really let the juice flow. Compare to the wide open unrestricted Mazilli circuit. Remember the Mazilli? It cranks. I can't seam to be able to get the same effect from the TL494 board to do the same thing, as yet. But I'm working on it.

  If the spikes are not tamed, you'll go through a lot of FETs. As I have done. Yet, proper earth groundings in the STAR formation, all working together become more than just a ground.
   Remember Hoppy, both Ruslan as well as Akula used snubbers on all their self runners. So, they are needed.
I tried it the Stalker way, no snubbers, and it fried my FETs. So, I'll try it with snubbers and see if the Fet heating issue improves. New yoke seams to be working a bit better now, with opposite winding between the primary and the 28t coil. 3t coil is wound same as the primary.

  TK:  Yes, the resistors can be shot, and,  I know that the pot is also shot, as it feels loose inside.
I may not need to deal with it, in a few days, when the Siglent arrives at my door.
    I still may fix the old Tectronics 2205, We'll see.

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« Reply #17604 on: August 06, 2017, 07:48:48 PM »

Some of the most promising experiments I have seen on youtube are where people keep it to a simple
setup and watch closely for unusual effects. If you look at Kapanadze's first videos, it was
a very simple setup. If it really is OU, then there is an unusual effect hiding in that simple setup.  ;D
What did Kapanadze have that could take things outside of a normal closed loop setup? (hint, hint)  ;D
I think people who have been at this for a while can probably take some good guesses at it,
and come up with some basic experiments to put it to the test. This is my own approach anyway.  ;)

Good luck with your experiments guys!

hi Void,

Yes, a good time for anot her review.

The spark gap, which does not feature in some other claimed self-runners? I'm wondering if the yoke was just introduced post Kapanadze, as a convenient easily obtained core from a srapped TV but is not an essential component. Also, we see no Kacher in the Kapanadze devices because the DC HV is spark gap generated using a flyback transformer, rectification and capacitive storage. The Kapa grenade in the box devices is covered in plastic film and this I think is because T1000 has suggested many times, his devices are primarily capacitive in nature, not inductive.

If I were to return to the project, then I would take a more simple experimental approach using spark gap generated HV.


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« Reply #17605 on: August 06, 2017, 08:26:38 PM »
Hi Hoppy. My own thinking as I mentioned as a possible key ingrediant is what takes it outside of
a closed loop system. I really don't know about the sparkgap, but it certainly
has the potential to be something that provides a 'doorway' outside of a closed system.
Corona discharge involves ionization, which possibly opens the system up to the surrounding environment
/ surrounding space.  My own thinking based on other things I have seen
is the earth ground is probably very important/critical, but the sparkgap may or may not be important.
The problem is Kapandze began to add other stuff in his later circuits likely to throw people off, and people like
Ruslan might have said stuff that just further clouded the issue and threw people further off track. :)

Going back to the basics with Kapanadze, a circuit setup by Frank Wyatt Prentice in his patent application
from 1923 uses just a high voltage generator/transformer, some wire, a few tuning caps, sparkgaps,
and earth ground as part of the circuit loop. Prentice reported that his circuit setup was producing overunity.
They way he uses the earth ground takes it outside of a closed loop. I think you have posted this schematic already in
this thread yourself some time back. My own experiments with earth grounds have shown some potentially
interesting results. I find working with sparkgaps however is a very messy business, as digital equipment
tends to go hay wire, and equipment can easily get blown. I think sparkgaps may possibly not be essential,
as I have seen some interesting results without using them. What Prentice showed in his patent
was seemingly similar to Kapanadze's early setups. Kapanadze may possibly have just done it in a
more compact way. It seems at least possible to me that they both were employing the same sort of effect. :)

P.S. Prentice was running his setup at around 500 kHz.


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« Reply #17606 on: August 06, 2017, 08:39:50 PM »
P.S. I think it was Daly who first used the diode pulser circuit instead of a sparkgap,
and Kapanadze seems to have (possibly) figured out how to get the effect with a
single earth ground. So that would seem to indicate that the effect can be achieved with
a single earth ground as well. :)

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« Reply #17607 on: August 06, 2017, 10:31:56 PM »


Yes Void, I do recall posting something similar to the Frank Wyattt Prentice schematic. Its interesting that there was talk of Kapanadze utilising a remotely sited AC generator during his box device in garden demonstrations. This would possibly tie-in with the mains powered TX in figure 1 of the patent. Also, you may recall the odd looking 'washing line' between the road and disapearing into the tree in the green box video. Could this have been the transmitting antenna?? The box device would again tie-in with figure 2 of the patent, with the single earth and grenade coil acting as a rather unusual receiving antenna. If this were the case, then the difficulty in understanding the operation of the box device in isolation is understandable. However, I'm not sure that this setup can be considered as "so simple you'll laugh" but Kapanadze would have had access to this patent.

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« Reply #17608 on: August 06, 2017, 11:10:34 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Yes, what you mention is possible I suppose.
My thinking was that it is possibly just an HF generator circuit, going to
a coil configuration, and a receiver coil of some sort, possibly tuned, and possibly the sparkgap
is used to generate high voltage pulses which maybe somehow draws in the excess current from the earth ground.
There are probably various simple experiments a person could do to test the general approach
using the Prentice patent drawing as a guideline for ideas. I thought I would just throw this out there
in case anyone was tired of banging their head against the wall with the Akula type circuit. :)

Akula may have used the tesla coil to provide the HV pulsing instead of using a sparkgap.
Daly used his diode based 'nano pulser' circuit.

Also, Prentice's circuit was apparently very sensitive to tuning. He mentioned having to tune
for resonance on the long wire he used extended over the ground, if I recall correctly now. It is
interesting that this was apparently a resonant system that included the earth ground segment as part
of the resonant circuit. (hint, hint).  ;D

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17609 on: August 07, 2017, 12:52:38 AM »
Hi Hoppy. Yes, what you mention is possible I suppose.
My thinking was that it is possibly just an HF generator circuit, going to
a coil configuration, and a receiver coil of some sort, possibly tuned, and possibly the sparkgap
is used to generate high voltage pulses which maybe somehow draws in the excess current from the earth ground.
There are probably various simple experiments a person could do to test the general approach
using the Prentice patent drawing as a guideline for ideas. I thought I would just throw this out there
in case anyone was tired of banging their head against the wall with the Akula type circuit. :)

Akula may have used the tesla coil to provide the HV pulsing instead of using a sparkgap.
Daly used his diode based 'nano pulser' circuit.

Also, Prentice's circuit was apparently very sensitive to tuning. He mentioned having to tune
for resonance on the long wire he used extended over the ground, if I recall correctly now. It is
interesting that this was apparently a resonant system that included the earth ground segment as part
of the resonant circuit. (hint, hint).  ;D
Just been reading some of these ideas or flights of fantasy ;) so how would the HF you refer to connect to this device and how would it become resonant with the earth and more to the point where would the gain come from and what would be the common denominator be here? As far as I can see we are not talking about one thing but more like several conditions have to be met here as every section does a function and it might be an idea to study some of the Russian explanation before one wastes huge amounts of time and money on a development system hardly any on in the western world has got to work so far. However, if your Russian vocabulary is excellent and you don't get scammed be my guest jump in feet first and good luck. Allen

 

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