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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 7205502 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17580 on: August 04, 2017, 11:58:31 AM »
Do we know or suspect that someone has a working device? I think I got the concept right and I need to ask 2 questions

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17581 on: August 04, 2017, 12:38:34 PM »

Nick,

each yoke configuration has its own characteristics like inductance and capacitance caused by the used yoke ferrite, a used yoke gap if any, the primary coils dimensions,
the secondary (3 turn / 28 turn) coils dimensions, the interconnection leads inductance / capacitance, the MOSFETs output capacitance etc. etc. etc.

So for to calculate an effective snubber, we first need to have a stable yoke configuration.
It makes no sense to calculate a snubber RC value, and then use a different yoke configuration as that snubber won't work anymore.

I think it therefor would be the best to build up your new yoke using known good MOSFETs and connect it up to your inductor/grenade so we have a stable new loaded situation.
Then use low voltage on the drains and use some current limiting (power resistor / automotive bulbs) component to fire up.

Use your new scope to supply some hopefully now crisp screenshots of the gate and drain signals.
Then we can calculate any snubber RC values in trying to minimize the spikes / ringing.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17582 on: August 04, 2017, 02:09:17 PM »
Nick,

To preserve your remaining two good mosfets, hopefully you will add a current limit to your PSU, using auto bulbs as suggested.
yeah good idea some regulators can do it LM317 and a resistor but it will get hot once it starts to conduct.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17582 on: August 04, 2017, 02:09:17 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17583 on: August 04, 2017, 02:16:02 PM »
   So I bought some more wire to finish my new yoke coil windings
  The Free motha. Well, almost free.
  So I'll be testing the reversed windings style, like Stalkers uses.
That is, where the two yoke secondary coils, are reversed from the 12 and 12 turn primary coil.
  Yep, looking for the magic...

  Itsu:
   I've made some close up scope shots of just the two fet's drain ringing signals, expanded,  to study the frequency on each one of the two ringing part of their wave form. I'll post them a little later, so we can match up the snubber values for them.
   I'll test the new yoke without the snubbers on, first, cause my FETs are junk, anyway. According to Hoppy, And they might all be bad, but there might be a couple fets that will work, for now. Anyway, the new FETs and scope are coming soon.
Hopefully, the new yoke will work more balanced, and the drains ringing signal will look more similar and flater, and having less than the 100-120v peaks that I showed previously. Then the snubbers should be able to drop those nasty peaks.
Nick, Itsu, Hoppy,  any chance you can all show your 4 turn output winding waveform ? that would be interesting, preferably open circuit. I'm sure we could all help each other that way, PS any one had anything from Geo or T1000 ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17584 on: August 04, 2017, 04:16:23 PM »
    Itsu:
   Ok, I'll wind up the new yoke, connect it up and see if the output signals are more uniform, and I'll check the ringing as well.
  Since the two possibly still good fets have already been used, I'll use them again for this test, to see what happens.
I do have a 24v car bulb somewhere I think, if I didn't burn it up already.
  The new fets, and scope are not available, yet, until next week.  So, I'll do what I can until then.

   AG: Geo has not reported in for quite a while now. I don't know if he has been communicating with T-1000, or not.
        My inductor coil/3t coil circuit has had a very low output, and won't hardly even light a bulb, so I'll take a scope shot of that circuit's output when I get things better set up with the new yoke, new fets, and the Siglent scope.

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« Reply #17584 on: August 04, 2017, 04:16:23 PM »
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Offline itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17585 on: August 04, 2017, 04:28:20 PM »

Ag,

i had put up a screenshot of my 3 turn yoke coil output earlier in this thread, but it does not look pretty, see here:

http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg463422/#msg463422

Yellow is voltage across the 3 turn coil, green is the current through it and as we where at resonance, they kind of are in phase.

I don't think it was open circuit as that could have destroyed my MOSFETs, so normally i use only loaded conditions.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17586 on: August 04, 2017, 04:48:56 PM »
  Yet, we see on the Ruslan and others videos, that they turn on the device first (without the load), and afterward they turn on the load. Although that may not be the most recommended way of doing things, they must be doing it for a reason. I think it's because the full load won't light without first filling up the caps, and then it will light with the full load on. Otherwise they turn on one or two smaller bulbs, then the bigger bulbs. Otherwise it probably won't start with the full 1000-2000w load.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17587 on: August 04, 2017, 05:10:33 PM »
   Concerning the signal to the Kacher's base, I think that apecore is using the small torroid CT (current transformer) idea and taking the pulse from the inductor coil, throught the CT to the Kacher's circuit, and to Kacher's base. His Kacher is also frequency controlable. Maybe he can expound on how that has worked out for him.
   A current video of apecore's device working as he now has it would be good to see. When possible. As it sounds like it's working well. But, how well will it work when connect up to the feed-back path? Is my next question.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17588 on: August 04, 2017, 06:02:56 PM »
   
I do have a 24v car bulb somewhere I think, if I didn't burn it up already.
  The new fets, and scope are not available, yet, until next week.  So, I'll do what I can until then.


Nick,

You could also use 2 x 12V/50W auto bulbs in series.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17589 on: August 04, 2017, 06:17:34 PM »
Nick,
You could also use 2 x 12V/50W auto bulbs in series. maplins do sockets, bit over priced ;)

PS haven't seen your yoke/toroid output wave form shot yet. ;(

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17590 on: August 04, 2017, 06:22:28 PM »
   Concerning the signal to the Kacher's base, I think that apecore is using the small torroid CT (current transformer) idea and taking the pulse from the inductor coil, throught the CT to the Kacher's circuit, and to Kacher's base. His Kacher is also frequency controlable. Maybe he can expound on how that has worked out for him.
   A current video of apecore's device working as he now has it would be good to see. When possible. As it sounds like it's working well. But, how well will it work when connect up to the feed-back path? Is my next question.

Nick how does he do that, wouldn't you just need a gated oscillator and a drive circuit CD4046 ? some thing like TK produces by the score on his youtube channel assuming the FB pulse doesn't destroy it.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17591 on: August 04, 2017, 06:36:35 PM »

PS haven't seen your yoke/toroid output wave form shot yet. ;(

I never recorded the 4-turn output waveform on my setup, which was disassembled many moons ago.

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« Reply #17592 on: August 04, 2017, 06:46:55 PM »
    You'd have to ask apecore, as I am not very familiar with his current approach, and all it's details.
    Maybe he'll make a new video. Showing the interaction of the current transformer pulse onto his induction circuits.  From what I have seen of it,  it looked pretty interesting.

  That's also why we need to work together on all of this.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17593 on: August 04, 2017, 07:01:42 PM »
    You'd have to ask apecore, as I am not very familiar with his current approach, and all it's details.
    Maybe he'll make a new video. Showing the interaction of the current transformer pulse onto his induction circuits.  From what I have seen of it,  it looked pretty interesting.

  That's also why we need to work together on all of this.
The problem with it being variable does tend to detune inductive circuits and the amplitude gain for the privilege.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17594 on: August 05, 2017, 05:24:57 PM »
  Itsu and All:
  So I've wound the new yoke, and installed it.  The fet ringing is slightly less but it's hard to tell because I'm running a 24v 18w car bulb on the yoke's input now. Both fets are ringing similar as they were before, maybe a little better, but I'd need to run on the PSU at 24v to really be able to compare.
   The 2nd image is the gate signals.
   The 3rd image is taken with the scope on volt/div on blank (50?), and the sec/div at 1us.
The expanded ringing scope shot is on .5us, and the same volts/div again on blank (50?). 
   Not sure what value is for the volt/div at the blank setting, so I figure that it's possibly at 50.
   Here's some pics, let me know what else you may need to figure the snubber values.
   
   

 

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