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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8677424 times)

Offline T-1000

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1710 on: May 29, 2013, 08:07:33 PM »
Please stop calling it BEMF. The link you give is not a motor circuit! its also not a self-runner. Nick is looking for a self-runner. Do you have a genuine self-running schematic that you are prepared to post? The various Dally circuits posted are also not self-runners.
There are many names. For example, can you say what is different between BEMF and cold electricity?
Also I am not talking about specific circuit - the same principles are all over different places.
In regards to Dally circuit even iit would be correct one given it still is 10% of total self runner because 90% of it is tuning...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1711 on: May 29, 2013, 08:40:48 PM »
There are many names. For example, can you say what is different between BEMF and cold electricity?
Also I am not talking about specific circuit - the same principles are all over different places.
In regards to Dally circuit even iit would be correct one given it still is 10% of total self runner because 90% of it is tuning...

The discharge of energy stored in an inductor which is termed 'cold electricity' is not the same thing as induced voltage in a motor coil that creates a current in opposition to the motor energising current - BEMF / CEMF.

Have you built the Dally circuit and achieved self-running?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1712 on: May 29, 2013, 09:32:13 PM »
  One of the things that I'd like to bring up is the term "coil shorting". I don't know where this term came from, but, it does not describe what is really going on, and can confuse more than anything else.
As there is no "shorting" when the transistor switch opens the tank circuit. What we are calling BEMF is also not right, as there is no going "back" to it, as it is a pulse that goes both forward and back at the same time, so it should just be called pulsed EMF, and not BEMF.
 When the circuit is opened by the transistor or mosfet, it is the same thing as Tesla mentioned when the big generator's on/off switch was opened. There was a big huge spike and a current build up that was pulsed or blasted throughout the whole system. But, was not just going in one direction like "back",  but instead that goes both directions, forward and back, at the same time. Which when higher current is involved, it becomes very difficult to filter and isolate it, so that it won't burn out the transistors or mosfet gates that are doing the switching function.
 So, this is what happens when our transistor "opens" the circuit, and a resultant spike is formed.
  Now, what happens to that spike? It is absorbed by a capacitor, which separates the AC HV/HF pulse into both positive and negative polarities, which then can also be rectified by full wave rectifier into DC current, and from there it is sent to a battery, or DC load. Or is made for 50 or 60 hertz 110v to 220v output to be used by any normal bulb or appliances.
  The higher the input power given, the higher the circuit will transform it into even higher voltages, or higher current levels.
  I may have this all wrong, and I'm not the best at describing this process, but, that is how I understand it.
  Some one like SeaMonkey would be great to have helping us with all this, to get it right, and improve on it also. As up to this point it is all just standard electronic circuitry. But, there is also some magic to be had, as well.
Magic is only a term used to describe what we don't yet fully understand.   But, we will...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1712 on: May 29, 2013, 09:32:13 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1713 on: May 29, 2013, 09:56:59 PM »
     @ Hoppy:
      Yes, I'm looking into the self-runner like Akula is showing, as it is the ONLY way of seeing a truly self sustaining circuit, when there is NO input involved. Anything else may just be efficient circuits, of higher or lower degrees.
  However, for now, I think that what is important in trying to replicate the Akula system, is to focus on what exactly is causing the abnormal output from such minimal input, in the first place. And ignoring the feed-back system until we discover just how that anomalous output is obtained.
To do so I've suggested that we forget the battery/inverter/rectifier that he is using as his input source, and just use a known DC supply input, to a driver circuit, and see just what that can achieve,  without looking into or being distracted by the feed-back side of things, as yet.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1714 on: May 29, 2013, 10:47:50 PM »
     @ Hoppy:
     
To do so I've suggested that we forget the battery/inverter/rectifier that he is using as his input source, and just use a known DC supply input, to a driver circuit, and see just what that can achieve,  without looking into or being distracted by the feed-back side of things, as yet.

Given that Akula shows a battery/inverter and rectifier, then why are you dispensing with these items when you are sure he has a self-runner? It makes no sense to me when you are supposed to be attempting a replication. These items may be essential in order to observe anything special happening.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1715 on: May 29, 2013, 11:03:55 PM »
Dear Nick.

Quote.
 One of the things that I'd like to bring up is the term "coil shorting". I don't know where this term came from, but, it does not describe what is really going on, and can confuse more than anything else.
As there is no "shorting" when the transistor switch opens the tank circuit. What we are calling BEMF is also not right, as there is no going "back" to it, as it is a pulse that goes both forward and back at the same time, so it should just be called pulsed EMF, and not BEMF.
Un quote.

I am afraid you have it wrong. Coil shorting is just what it says. Both Itsu and I have been aplying an effective short across a coil that is in circuit all the time. I used a small reed switch. Itsu used a couple of FET's. We were not opening and closing a tank circuit as you suggest.

Secondly BEMF or CEMF are terms used to describe the counter force against a current trying to energise an inductive circuit. This is the reason why the current lag's the voltage.

Hope that clears up any confusion??

Cheers Grum.

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« Reply #1716 on: May 30, 2013, 12:50:51 AM »
I pulsed my two parallelled MOSFETs with a much higher gate frequency (5.6Khz), causing the voltage on the capacitor to rise 5 times higher as in the no pulse situation (222V versus 47V).

I wonder what will happen if i also could pulse the lower half of the sine wave.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGieOdkZIN4&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

thanks itsu. that is an excellent coil shorting demonstration.

i'm seeing the same flattening of the spikes as you are.
the spec's on the mosfet, Vdg, is inline with the voltage flattening.

i think i'm going to introduce a low turn primary and drive this primary to kick the voltage up.

thanks again.

take care.

nap

Hi Itsu and Nap,

Itsu,  thanks for the very informative video on coil shorting. What would also be interesting to learn is how the power draw would change from the input AC (sine wave) power source when you load the capacitor voltage by a certain load (compared to before and after the coil shorting).  Whenever you have the chance to explore it I would appreciate very much.

Greetings, Gyula

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #1717 on: May 30, 2013, 01:15:24 AM »
I pulsed my two parallelled MOSFETs with a much higher gate frequency (5.6Khz), causing the voltage on the capacitor to rise 5 times higher as in the no pulse situation (222V versus 47V).

I wonder what will happen if i also could pulse the lower half of the sine wave.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGieOdkZIN4&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu
Itsu, thanks for your efforts :)

You can do both sine wave halves just will need to see where current draw on primary begins to rise and what is ratio of its draw versus output. Obviously taking output straight off capacitors won't do much performance. In my oppinion, the output of spikes circuit is best to do over full bridge with high speed diodes to 2 capacitors in series then discharge one by one for inverter pulses(that agrees with Dynatron circuit). The step down LC transforner would be best case with capacitor on paralel for resonant frequency of 50/60Hz. If you will play around this idea, you might achieve very good results.

The discharge of energy stored in an inductor which is termed 'cold electricity' is not the same thing as induced voltage in a motor coil that creates a current in opposition to the motor energising current - BEMF / CEMF.

Have you built the Dally circuit and achieved self-running?
The nature is same if you go down to atom level... ;)
Also for some reason you are asking what makes me feel unconvienent to answer. My answer to all questions like this is simple - if I do have something assembled on my table I do not have any reasons to hide it.

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« Reply #1718 on: May 30, 2013, 01:42:30 AM »
  @ Grummage:
   I am not shorting a coil on a generator, and fighting against the force of BEMF, as in the example that you are working with. But through transistor switching which opens up the circuit instead, like opening not closing a switch which is then causing the spike. 
  Tesla mentions shutting OFF the switch, as the cause of deaths, not shorting the circuit. It is the stopping of the flow that caused the additional voltage and unexpected results. Although maybe shorting a spinning generator can cause a similar reaction, this I sure don't know. Nor am I assuming to know anything, either. As I'm still trying to understand all this.
In any case, did you achieve a much higher output, due to this shorting, or not? That is the question.

  What Itsu is showing is very helpful, and proves the point of tuning using the duty cycle and frequency adjustments to obtain a higher output, as Akula has done, as well. That is encouraging. Of course if the input is raised, so will the output. And if the output is much higher than the input then the feed-back path can be implemented, as well.
   
  Hoppy: although replicating the device exactly is no doubt the best way to go. There is no easy way that I can see of being able to effectively do this, without at least a proper and correct diagram, proper pictures, videos, tuning instructions, etz..
Therefore my suggestions, as I don't believe that neither the battery, inverter, or rectifier are the cause of the anomaly, nor is the feed-back circuit the cause of it, either. What I'm trying to do is eliminate what is probably not the cause, and get to the nitty gritty of it, without the added expence of 400 watt inverter, replicating an unknown driver circuit, and unknown wiring configuration, etz...
But, of course, if you have all of the exact parts and configuration needed, and know of the exact schematics of it, and know how to tune the device, well then, that would be the best way to go.
 However, as it is the driver circuit and coil relations and correct wiring that are the unknowns in this case, a true and proper replication is doubtful, at best.  My idea is to obtain the results of lower input to higher output gain, and work on that angle, first, then try to replicate using the rest of the shown device. But, not avoiding it at all, ultimately, by any means.  It is the working principle that I'm after, at this point.
Akula did not need nor use a battery/inverter/ rectifier to obtain the induction heater results, that lead to his latest circuits, nor did he have a feed-back path at that point. If you see what I'm getting at...
In any case, anyone can and will do as they please. I'm just trying to avoid all the expenses, and disappointments, if it doesn't work out. But, I feel that with possibly minor changes, even your circuit, or Grums, can be made to work as shown.   But, it's still the working principle that we are lacking,
  It will come, sooner or later.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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« Reply #1719 on: May 30, 2013, 02:26:53 AM »
   T-1000 and All:
   I really do appreciate your input. I know that we are all doing our best to help figure out these extremely important circuits, and you as well as others have put in many months, and even years to this end. I am a baby in comparison. However, I'm also not giving up on my end, no matter how difficult things may seam.
  I also encourage you to actively participate in the hands-on replication efforts, as Itsu, Hoppy, Grum, and myself and others are doing. As this would be the best help and advice that anyone can offer to the rest of us.

  I also welcome and invite MenofFather, Cepren B., a.King, Wesley, Verpies, and our other Russian speaking comrades to join in and participate actively in these replications.
 Just as the NASA space missions are also collaborating now, as well.

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« Reply #1720 on: May 30, 2013, 09:00:56 AM »
 
  Hoppy:
Akula did not need nor use a battery/inverter/ rectifier to obtain the induction heater results, that lead to his latest circuits, nor did he have a feed-back path at that point. If you see what I'm getting at...
In any case, anyone can and will do as they please. I'm just trying to avoid all the expenses, and disappointments, if it doesn't work out. But, I feel that with possibly minor changes, even your circuit, or Grums, can be made to work as shown.   But, it's still the working principle that we are lacking,
  It will come, sooner or later.

Nick,

Getting induction heating effects is straightforward and like with my setup, I'm sure you can light lamps or heat up bits of wire from the low turns winding on your ferrite yoke. However, you will have found that the transfer of energy efficiency is well below 100%. Getting to a point where one is able to remove the input source of energy completely and rely on feedback to self-run the device is not I'll wager going to be achieved by adding yet more inneficient coil transformations. Wesley has gone quiet of late but I think he is possibly working in the right direction with his transmutation experiments. Unfortunately, none of the circuit schematics posted can be taken as any more than peoples various experimental arrangements, so in the interest of limiting expense and disapointment, it might be prudent not to take any of them too seriously.

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« Reply #1721 on: May 30, 2013, 11:51:43 AM »
I pulsed my two paralleled MOSFETs with a much higher gate frequency (5.6Khz), causing the voltage on the capacitor to rise 5 times higher as in the no pulse situation (222V versus 47V).
I remind everyone that voltage is not power.

@Itsu
At some point of your latest experiment (>7m20s) there was an acoustic vibration heard (most likely from the core of the transformer). Please pay attention to it, because the presence of this sound is often accompanied by formation of standing acoustic waves in the core, that have a tendency to modulate the magnetic permeability of the core.  See these videos (1, 2, 3) and the GG Patent.

Modulation of the permeability periodically varies the inductance (L) of the transformer, and if this inductance is a part of some LC resonant circuit, then LC parametric excitation occurs.
Zeitmachine should be jumping up and down upon reading this.

I wonder what will happen if i also could pulse the lower half of the sine wave.
You'd have to use full wave bridge rectifiers (FWBR), but you still could use one N-Channel MOSFET to do the job.  Bilateral switches can also be constructed out of two N-ch MOSFETs connected in series source-to-source or drain-to-drain, without any need for a diode or FWBR, but at the cost of their gate driving circuits becoming more complex.  A complementary pair consisting of P-ch MOSFET and N-ch MOSFET can be used to construct a bilateral switch, too, with somewhat simpler gate-drive circuitry, but P-ch MOSFETs have intrinsically higher RDS-ON.

Also, remember that normal diodes have a 0.6V forward voltage drop (FWBRs have 1.2V) so using a 0.005Ω RDS-ON MOSFET with a series diode (or a FWBR) is kind of pointless at low currents, because according to Ohm's law the effective resistance of a FWBR conducting 1 Amp of current, is 1.2Ω (because Reffective = 1.2V / I )
« Last Edit: May 30, 2013, 02:10:26 PM by verpies »

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« Reply #1722 on: May 30, 2013, 12:43:51 PM »
I remind everyone that voltage is not power.

I agree, one commenter on my youtube channel said it nicely:

I would say that the Wattage does not change, because what you loose by shortening you get back in the spike


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At some point of your experiment there was an acoustic vibration heard (most likely from the core of the transformer).

I can't remember hearing any such thing, but i will watch for it.

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You'd have to use full wave bridge rectifiers (FWBR), ......

Ok,  will check that out too


Regards Itsu

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« Reply #1723 on: May 30, 2013, 01:54:22 PM »
I agree, one commenter on my youtube channel said it nicely:

I would say that the Wattage does not change, because what you loose by shortening you get back in the spike


Regards Itsu

But what about the losses in the switch itself and from charging and discharging the storage capacitor. Also, the power required to do the gate signal generation has to be taken into account in the overall system efficiency.

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« Reply #1724 on: May 30, 2013, 03:43:54 PM »
   
Nick,

Getting induction heating effects is straightforward and like with my setup, I'm sure you can light lamps or heat up bits of wire from the low turns winding on your ferrite yoke. However, you will have found that the transfer of energy efficiency is well below 100%. Getting to a point where one is able to remove the input source of energy completely and rely on feedback to self-run the device is not I'll wager going to be achieved by adding yet more inefficient coil transformations. Wesley has gone quiet of late but I think he is possibly working in the right direction with his transmutation experiments. Unfortunately, none of the circuit schematics posted can be taken as any more than peoples various experimental arrangements, so in the interest of limiting expense and disapointment, it might be prudent not to take any of them too seriously.
  @ Hoppy:
  I wish you were right about being able to light bulbs and heat up wires with my set up as is, but NO that is not possible using the input source that I'm using. Although it has over 1000v, there is not much current to it. So, I have to by pass the 3 turn winding, and the resonator coil to be able to do light bulbs. Basically avoiding some of the Akula circuit, and just using mostly the power obtained from my Lasersaber 3.0 circuit, instead. 
I just wanted to clarify this point, and not lead anyone one to think that the system is working to some useable degree, as is, when it's not, it is actually hindering the whole process, due to the 3 turn coil dropping any useable power. And no, there is not more amps at the output of the 3 turn coil, and some would expect, but less voltage, and probably less amps. I can't measure the mAs, as my meter is not working on the amp settings, but I know it's less since it does not shock me at all when touched, like it should.  Anyways just trying to be honest about all this. And will continue to work on solutions.
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