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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 7632822 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16920 on: March 24, 2017, 09:10:43 AM »
I thought that the purpose of the driver chip was to assure that both mosfets don't fire at the same time. 
No, the purpose of the driver chips is to provide more current to gates of the MOSFETs.

It is the job of the PWM Controller (in your case the TL494) to time the driver chips+MOSFETs properly, including the dead-time between them.  Unfortunately you are misusing the dead-time control input as a duty cycle control input.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16921 on: March 24, 2017, 02:50:11 PM »
No, the purpose of the driver chips is to provide more current to gates of the MOSFETs.

It is the job of the PWM Controller (in your case the TL494) to time the driver chips+MOSFETs properly, including the dead-time between them.  Unfortunately you are misusing the dead-time control input as a duty cycle control input.
   Verpies
   Are you saying that I've made a mistake on the connections, or that the topruslan7 schematic is wrong.
 What should I do about it? And why? Please explain.
 Is the video I posted a link to "How to use a TL494" also not showing the dead time? As it is showing the same thing, pulses between the peaks, same as mine.
  I'll change whatever needs changing, just let me know what actually is not right, and why.

  Edit: what I see as not being the same as in the topruslan 7 schematc, is that my 50k pot is installed backwards. That is the #3 pot pin (which is the ground pin), is going to the TL494 #7 pin. And it should be that the pots #1 pin should go to the TL494 #7 pin, instead. Or not?
Should I reverse the pot?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2017, 05:02:42 PM by NickZ »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16922 on: March 24, 2017, 05:07:49 PM »
   Are you saying that I've made a mistake on the connections, or that the topruslan7 schematic is wrong.
As I'm not the only one seeing the TL chip working in this way. You mention that there is a huge pause between the push and the pull. And now, that I'm misusing the purpose of the TL controller.
 What should I do about it? And why? Please explain.
Is the schematic wrong, or what? Is the video I posted a link to "How to use a TL494" also not showing the dead time? As it is showing the same thing, pulses between the peaks, same as mine.
  I'll change whatever needs changing, just let me know what actually is not right, and why.

  Edit: what I see as not being the same as in the schematc, is that my 50k pot is installed backwards. That is the #3 pot pin is going to the TL494 #7 pin. And it should be that the pots #1 pin should go to the TL494 #7 pin, instead.
Should I reverse the pot?

Good day NickZ

Please see attached TL494 layout.
Normally the d/c (duty cycle) control for the TL494 IC is connected to Error Amp 1.
Pin#4 is used to determine *DeadTime* which is the OFF time that occurs between the Push-Pull outputs *MarkTime* (on-time).
This is accomplished by tying Pin#4 to *ground* with the appropriate value resistor.  Further down in the attached spec. sheet for the TL494 you will find a chart depicting Timing Capacitor values and inherent DeadTime vs. Oscillator Freq.

The Tl494 chip architecture guarantees a certain percentage of DeadTime according the the chosen values of CT (oscillator timing cap. Pin#5) & RT (oscillator timing resistor, Pin#6). By changing these values a certain value for DeadTime can also be had.

By connecting a *pot* to Pin#4 you are basically manipulating the *DeadTime* to create your variable pulse width (d/c).
While this can done, it is NOT the standard engineering/design protocol. I would opt to use Pin#4 for *DeadTime* control and use error amp 1 for d/c control.

I hope this helps;

take care,peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16923 on: March 24, 2017, 05:21:08 PM »

Nick,

so, use the leftmost circuit, not the one on the right as it is (mis)using the dead-time control input (pin 4) as a duty cycle control input.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16924 on: March 24, 2017, 11:57:20 PM »
Nick,

so, use the leftmost circuit, not the one on the right as it is (mis)using the dead-time control input (pin 4) as a duty cycle control input.

Itsu
it might seem a strange thing here to say or ask here but what does this part of the circuit do ??? One might think the 17.68 khz is 100 times the 'F' of the Tesla coil 'yeah' but its free running and not locked in frequency or phase ! Also in other devices the push pull is used to demodulate the 'F' to 50 or 60 hz grid frequency and also isn't the Tesla coil the wrong way round since we are counting power peeks and not the other way round ? any one any ideas ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16925 on: March 25, 2017, 01:47:00 AM »
Are you saying that I've made a mistake on the connections, or that the topruslan7 schematic is wrong.
If you are copying topruslan7 schematic then you did not do anything wrong.
As to the question whether that schematic does not follow the manufacturer's application note, Lost_Bro and Itsu just beat me to the explanation.

What should I do about it? And why? Please explain.
That depends whether you treat the topruslan7 schematic as gospel or work in progress.

Is the video I posted a link to "How to use a TL494" also not showing the dead time?
I don't know, I never watched it, but I read the TL494 datasheet and the manufacturer's Application Note.

As it is showing the same thing, pulses between the peaks, same as mine.
What peaks? Are signals on TL494.pin 9 & 10 these peaks ?

I'll change whatever needs changing, just let me know what actually is not right, and why.
If it works for you then don't change it.  But if you hit a wall with the topuslan7 schematic, then you might consider using the TL494 like its manufacturer has intended.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16926 on: March 25, 2017, 02:59:34 AM »
    Guys:
   The changed have been made as suggested to my TL494.  There are definite changes as compared to my previous set up.  I'll post another short video tomorrow showing the way it's working now.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16927 on: March 25, 2017, 11:05:22 AM »
it might seem a strange thing here to say or ask here but what does this part of the circuit do ??? One might think the 17.68 khz is 100 times the 'F' of the Tesla coil 'yeah' but its free running and not locked in frequency or phase ! Also in other devices the push pull is used to demodulate the 'F' to 50 or 60 hz grid frequency and also isn't the Tesla coil the wrong way round since we are counting power peeks and not the other way round ? any one any ideas ?

Well you should ask Ruslan or the one who designed it, but i understand it will generate the push pull signals at a frequency in the 17, 27 or 37 KHz range.
This together with the Kacher resonance frequency in a 1:50. 1:60 or 1:100 relationship should provide the "magic" via the Grenade coil to pull power from the ground.

Apparently, the stability of the TL494 needs to be great like within 100Khz, so a PLL system would be an advantage (and we have already seen a PLL setup (Oleg)), but it
seems not required as we have seen setups without any.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16928 on: March 25, 2017, 02:34:49 PM »
Quote from: AlienGrey
any one any ideas ?

You cannot measure or properly manipulate what you cannot see.  That's the first problem you have to solve.

You can be assured Ruslan, Akula and others will never tell you the secret.  They are not going to spoon feed
anyone.  You know what that means...   You have to think for yourself.  You have to ask yourself the question,
"What is it they are really looking at to make this all work the way it does?"

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16929 on: March 25, 2017, 03:14:20 PM »
You cannot measure or properly manipulate what you cannot see.  That's the first problem you have to solve.

You can be assured Ruslan, Akula and others will never tell you the secret.  They are not going to spoon feed
anyone.  You know what that means...   You have to think for yourself.  You have to ask yourself the question,
"What is it they are really looking at to make this all work the way it does?"


You nailed it in right point !  ;)   Dog-one .
For those who consistently create assumptions of how particular circuit works is the right question to ask:
How should be made even fake to that circuit  work in the way like it does , in that way everybody gain , because learn under that process, exactly the opposite  happens because , just copy something from someone,  could be made deliberated just to create diversion and maintain people far way from the goal .

Cheers


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16930 on: March 25, 2017, 03:49:58 PM »
   OK,  so I got the rewire done on the TL494. But I lost one output from the #10 pin (E2 pin), on the TL chip.
It was working for a minute (both outputs),  but now I get just one output that works. So I'm looking for the cause.
Any ideas?
   Other than that,  the mosfet driver signal on the working channel is showing dead time controls working as expected. You guys can decide if that signal is looking right, or not.
I'll make another short  video,  when I get both channels going again.

   Nelson:
   Anything new and exiting from your projects?  Are you selling a working self runner? As you are the only guy posting here that has managed to build one.
   Yes, it's hard to trust anyone or anything these days.  But, I trust you...
   Keep up the good work.
                                             NickZ
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 06:14:13 PM by NickZ »

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« Reply #16931 on: March 25, 2017, 08:12:05 PM »

   Nelson:
   Anything new and exiting from your projects?  Are you selling a working self runner? As you are the only guy posting here that has managed to build one.
   Yes, it's hard to trust anyone or anything these days.  But, I trust you...
   Keep up the good work.
                                             NickZ

Hi Nick hope everything goes well with you ,

I will explain you something :

It never my intention sell a self runner device even i achieve feedback some of my unit's , but not my real goal ,  i told you since the begin my goals are not that  , but i explain to you and others even shocking some few people,  that of some effects showed by some devices like Ruslan and Akula or others,  could be reproduced without use the Tesla coil or katcher or any of their "Secret diagrams" .
 
I told to ,   people should think by their own without copy others work because that work  are changing all time , and already go some year past since i say that,  and you could see how many success they have, but time is the best advisory to most people .
   
I did not waste my time and energy, reproducing something that i really don't know if are a myth or not , indeed i continue study and read good literature and applying them in something very palpable and real, make i go forward in my research and in work to improve my actual systems .

Yes i made some improvements and day by day  it will happen again , because i do this not only a real job but a work life model.

I don't have afraid to show my work to real persons face to face because my devices are real , i'm not a yotuber money earn click  that need get money by youtube click's  i make of this my real job , so i show my work in real life  people and to industries and that is much severe and painfull then the comments  that some people send in my channel .

Some of this guys should thank to me even don't like the way i share the videos, without explanation or diagrams , by i share what i consider enough to someone think how it is possible i able do what i show , and make them put their brain to work and ask herself how technical it could be reproduced.
The remain question about this type of systems , is if some of that devices  work exactly like they show  and "sell"  the idea of free energy without put any power or if are only a more efficient way to produce available work (W) , and  that is the real question to people ask herself .

Members like Geofusion that make a excellent work in research this theme , show already that is possible with a lower power input obtain more "available" work make possible use more higher loads , and that is a real good begin , to everyone start,  but the "magic" is nothing to do with that particular electronic configuration of Ruslan or even other , and by know for sure Geofusion already know that for sure ;)

Nick i see you efforts try make your best ( I see you design new board) but if you are in a wrong path is not a waste of time because you learn under that process, but will be a delusion to you at end after some much efforts made by you , not achieve your goal .
I will stress again to you and other people about possible effects of this type of devices to healthy , if propeller tune no problem but otherwise could create real health problems , and is much more easy that happen's then the opposite , trust in my words .

Good luck and Hope you enjoy
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0roz9qz0g

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16932 on: March 25, 2017, 09:34:06 PM »
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It never my intention sell a self runner device even i achieve feedback some of my unit's , but not my real goal ,  i told you since the begin my goals are not that  , but i explain to you and others even shocking some few people,  that of some effects showed by some devices like Ruslan and Akula or others,  could be reproduced without use the Tesla coil or katcher or any of their "Secret diagrams"

But you refused to show us even the scheme of your simple Amazing oscillator. If You don't want to make money with selling them and if you really want to explain others its principle - what prohibits you to show us at least the scheme?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16933 on: March 25, 2017, 10:53:44 PM »
   OK,  so I got the rewire done on the TL494. But I lost one output from the #10 pin (E2 pin), on the TL chip.
It was working for a minute (both outputs),  but now I get just one output that works. So I'm looking for the cause.
Any ideas?
   Other than that,  the mosfet driver signal on the working channel is showing dead time controls working as expected. You guys can decide if that signal is looking right, or not.
I'll make another short  video,  when I get both channels going again.

   Nelson:
   Anything new and exiting from your projects?  Are you selling a working self runner? As you are the only guy posting here that has managed to build one.
   Yes, it's hard to trust anyone or anything these days.  But, I trust you...
   Keep up the good work.
                                             NickZ
Nick get your scope out and run through your soldering and test each stage with your probe and dry joints then you will find the fault.

Re Energy energy is coming from the sun every day it's sending the stuff to us not all of it is deflected into space in solar winds, maybe old song 'Perry Como' catch a falling star and put it in your pocket is sorta what Nelson is doing ;) he he !

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #16934 on: March 25, 2017, 11:08:20 PM »
Well you should ask Ruslan or the one who designed it, but i understand it will generate the push pull signals at a frequency in the 17, 27 or 37 KHz range.
This together with the Kacher resonance frequency in a 1:50. 1:60 or 1:100 relationship should provide the "magic" via the Grenade coil to pull power from the ground.

Apparently, the stability of the TL494 needs to be great like within 100Khz, so a PLL system would be an advantage (and we have already seen a PLL setup (Oleg)), but it
seems not required as we have seen setups without any.

Itsu
years ago i was interested in overlaying text on video feed like Test or targeting a particular section of interest on the frame in view, ir first i used a VFO but the components and 70mhz CPU's were a fortune, one i got deeper into this technique I found a simpler way to do it with a 10mhz PIC chip and a 'HC' 'd'type and a gate for just a couple of quid the thing here is what are wanting to lock what to what ?
The other thing a Tesla coil is a magical device well sort of in that it's base is a current seeking device and it's top is a static voltage device just like the atmosphere above. clue ?

 

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