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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 9080984 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15885 on: November 18, 2016, 10:49:19 AM »
Nick,

The observed 'effect', whether its described as varying bulb brightness caused by hand movements, or a marked increase in brightness when the Kacher is switched-on, can and has been explained in conventional terms. There is no place for the 'flat earth' debate here. There is absolutely no evidence of anything special going on, OU or self-running - period!

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« Reply #15886 on: November 18, 2016, 12:47:31 PM »
Nick,

The observed 'effect', whether its described as varying bulb brightness caused by hand movements, or a marked increase in brightness when the Kacher is switched-on, can and has been explained in conventional terms. There is no place for the 'flat earth' debate here. There is absolutely no evidence of anything special going on, OU or self-running - period!

Hoppy,
I agree that it is explainable by conventional terms.... wether it comes from exotic (not yet conventional sources)
Does that mean that it is also possible to calculate with conventional math what the level of power adding by the kacher is possible? (Approximatly)
And with doing that the parameter challenge and its appearance becomes clear?

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« Reply #15887 on: November 18, 2016, 03:08:05 PM »
   Hoppy:
   Well, as I said there is nothing unconventional as to how we have these devices running, now.  But, self running is totally unconventional.
   There is a process to building these devices. Perhaps you think that it can be bypassed and a self runner can be created without it. But, the building steps involved to discover them are not easy to dismiss, and are necessary to the goal of self running. The amplification effect is one of them. Without which nothing special will be observed, other than just the same boring stuff that every other conventional device offers.
   Are you going to state even more opinions as to how there is nothing new or exciting about anything we've done, while you do nothing at all. Sorry we are so slow at this, but there are now several people in the world (mostly in Russia) that have what it takes to show a self runner. So your logic may be good for you, but.... you are not one of those that has what it takes to discover the secret of its operation.  So, just sit back and watch, as you have not added much in a positive way to our ongoing experiments, other than your doubts, concerning ways that it does not function.

  Using convention methods such as input to output readings will NOT show just how and where any possible extra energy is coming in from, or what this new and unconventional extra energy is all about, as it can't be seen or measured, as yet. Those types of readings as proof have not been done up to now by anyone, for a reason. The reason is that a self runner can't be measured, to know it's secret. Only just what it can do, when self running, or what it's output reading shows. That is all.

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« Reply #15888 on: November 18, 2016, 03:27:36 PM »
If the device is tuned properly, there will only be a diminishing of the "effect", when moving ones hand over the device, and not adding any gain to it. As it only decreases and interferes with the HV effect onto the induction circuit. However if the system is not tuned to its best output, it can possibly improve this less than optimal setting, also, by altering the running frequency, etc...

 Geo is showing mainly how the hand movements can actually kill the HV interactions, ...
So the "effect" is the influence of the HF HV from the Kacher and the hand, on the tuning of the device towards or away from its optimum, which manifests by varying brightness of the bulb/load.

But the same behavior is still possible without corrupting gate signals by deliberately designing instabilities in their control circuits and without relying on the random effects of HV interference there.
I see no advantage of jamming the gate control circuit with HV from the Kacher and the operator's hand. 

If you want to explore the influence of HF HV on the inductors connected to the drain circuit, then there might be a point in doing so...but on the gate control circut, WTF ?  :o
Do you think that any free energy can be generated in the gates of the MOSFETs ?

...which also proves that there is an ongoing "amplification effect" compared no effect, that is caused by the HV interactions, although not necessarily OU, or a self running effect, as well.
As long it is not the amplification factor of the MOSFETs, because applying small signals to the gate circuits to control large signals in the drain circuits is the fundamental application of MOSFETs, (characterized by their transconductance, gm in datasheets) and has a high yawn factor.

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« Reply #15889 on: November 18, 2016, 03:52:34 PM »
  "So the "effect" is the influence of the HF HV from the Kacher and the hand, on the tuning of the device towards or away from its optimum, which manifests by varying brightness of the bulb/load."

   Yes, and no.  The "effects" of the hand movement has nothing to do with it, it only shows that the devices can be affected by it, mostly in a negative way, by disrupting the HV, HF signals from the Kacher circuit.
The duty cycle and frequency controllers are what is responsible for tuning the device to run at the optimum running frequencies. IF, the rest of the system is also built correctly, using the proper groundings, wire connection methods, coils, and components.
   
   We don't know as yet if what is being shown by Ruslan, Akula and others is not being caused by the effect of HV and HF onto the mosfet gates, also. Possibly they are also observing the same or similar HV effect on the wave forms of the gate signals.
There may be more to this than just that, as the cause of self runners. Which is what we are trying to discover.
However, even if that reason were the cause, then it still doesn't explain how and where any extra energy is coming from in a self runner.
  The hand movement effects are not something to look into. But, the proper heterodyning frequencies are.
  The HV interactions are found everywhere on the induction circuits, not just on the fet's gates signals. As I have shown you on one of my previous videos. And yes, it's possible to have the same interactions without cooking the fets, or anything else, as has been shown by Ruslan and others.

   After looking at Adrian's induction circuit board from his very blurry video, one can see that his induction circuit board is quite simple. And it does not have a 100 components to it. Also his simple Kacher circuit, which does not use the interuptor transistor, at the time, and can still self run his device. And as Roma has shown, it may not even take much more than what his system has installed on it, to produce the 4000 watts of output.
   

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« Reply #15890 on: November 18, 2016, 05:23:08 PM »
Yes, and no.  The "effects" of the hand movement has nothing to do with it, it only shows that the devices can be affected by it,
'If the "effect" can be affected by the hand movement then it is wrong to write that it has nothing to do with it.
I am puzzled why you'd write that - perhaps you don't realize the impedance of a human body at HF and the way it can shape the fields of the Kacher.

mostly in a negative way, by disrupting the HV, HF signals from the Kacher circuit.
Away from optimum is not some intrinsic direction of the hand's influence.  It is a result of tuning the circuit for optimum energy transfer with the hand absent.  If you tune for the optimum with the hand present, then the absence of hand will seem "disrupt" it.  Anyway the word "disrupting" is highly subjective in this situation. "Altering" would be more appropriate.

The duty cycle and frequency controllers are what is responsible for tuning the device to run at the optimum running frequencies.
Yes, and these controllers should by the deliberate & sole determinants of the frequency, phase, amplitude and waveform shape - not some accidental HV HF interference with a hand inbetween.  That why immunizing these controllers (including the gate circuits) from interference is a step in the right direction.  If you want to add the frequency, phase HV-sensing from the Kacher then it should be done with a deliberate, well controlled circuit ...not this accidental interference you have now.
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« Reply #15891 on: November 18, 2016, 07:26:31 PM »

So your logic may be good for you, but.... you are not one of those that has what it takes to discover the secret of its operation. 


Agreed. That's why I'm sitting back waiting for you and Geo to show the way. When will you be looping-back?

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« Reply #15892 on: November 18, 2016, 07:39:34 PM »
 I don't know yet I need some time, maybe Geo can do this first as he has the equipment and the batteries to to test with. I don't, as yet. And I'm still working on improving the output, as it's only 60v or so, and that is not high enough.

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« Reply #15893 on: November 18, 2016, 07:42:00 PM »
All,
Let me share some thought to this

The Effect,
Ions within the electro static field excited and pulled by telsa/Kacher/antenna that will merge ( go in phase)
with the resonant magnetic field of inductor which will create a higher output power combined out
within grenade in capacitive form. ( the receiver.. Grenade) All is still HF output.
But it also seems to be generating a good outpower within the inductor in my case.

Where or when is this extra Ionic energy coming in from the ambient backround?
The working of the tesla coil or a HV discharge pulse circuitry has to be understood to this especially if
when SparkGap is applied. SPIKES* nowadays ppl can do this by transistors.
Collapsing the field of HV HF or
better to say abrupt collapsing is what causes this energy to be called in,
remind the mind what a spark gap does on inductor.
Expand & Contract field. The Contracting part ( Collapsing of the field)
is where focus needs to come in and make sure your receiver is in resonance with what is transmitting
 such as a tesla coil setup to receive all of it the moment it comes.
 
Some of them need Interrupter to do better work where it can be controlled by timing on demand.
That is when a circuit with more pulses can be created to create what we have seen on
Akula and Ruslan's Sergey's ...the train pulses. Multiple Collapsing in few moments.
Imagine what 1 pulse can do in comparison to multipule pusles for harvestation.
That is why they managed to create devices which can go even uptil 4KW and it makes sense for me now.

Hand over the Antenna or device is showing where your body can interact with the electric field of telsa
able to manipulate it and it does in fact lower or raise freq, Impedance.
I have seen this on scope. it looks like you could tune
this way but this is not the way. Might be a new one. It's like a disturbance with the flow of the Field and within it.
BUt this is not the effect. Effect is what I have written in first rows.

Imperfection is what is making the field so sensitive. It's like pushing or poking a bubble with air release
and when removing it fills up again with it.
It's beautiful if to visualize it all. makes to understand the unknown a bit better.

About self running, I do see only when it's stable enough it will,
for what I have now is It can let a other PSU 24V work, I have shown it but,
needs fine tweaks which will alow it to do so.
 fine tuning is to my part now and also for more harvest.


      Cheerz guyz ~
 

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« Reply #15894 on: November 18, 2016, 07:48:43 PM »
If inductor and grenade coil have one terminal on the ground , the effect of the hand is minimum.
If the coils are not on the ground, the effect of the hand is maximum, hand become something like the ground.

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« Reply #15895 on: November 18, 2016, 08:02:58 PM »
The Effect,
Ions within the electro static field excited and pulled by telsa/Kacher/antenna that will merge ( go in phase) with the resonant magnetic field of inductor which will create a higher output power combined out
within grenade in capacitive form. ( the receiver.. Grenade)
That's all fine and dandy, but notice the the "electro static field excited and pulled by telsa/Kacher/antenna" in your scenario is affecting the inductor (including any cores in it).  That experimenting avenue might deserve some hope, since not everything is known about such interactions (especially HV affecting ferrites).

However the HV or "electro static field" affecting the gate control circuits is an undesirable influence, that just makes the entire circuit unstable and unpredictable. 
Also, from experience we know that MOSFETs are not capable of making any free energy no matter how you abuse them.

Collapsing the field of HV HF or better to say abrupt collapsing, is what causes this energy to be called in,...
It still makes sense to experiment with HF HV acting on inductors (especially cored ones) because not everything has been discovered about these interactions, as evidenced by that IEEE article by Konrad and Brudny
But experimenting with HV acting on MOSFET gates does not make sense, because everything has been discovered about them already, including the fact, that gates do not generate any free energy, ...just free profit for semiconductor manufacturers when you zap them with HV.

If you want to synchronize the phase of frequency of the gate signals to some other component of the device, then design for it deliberately - without relying on random HV interference on the gate circuits !

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #15896 on: November 18, 2016, 08:27:39 PM »
Verpies,
Thanks again for the statement about imunisizing the gate and other HF/HV interference.
Also i appreciate the way you comment on the facts...it is really added value.

Guys, it is not ment to be dishonerable to all of you giving input... in what way ever.
I only hope that we stop running around in this circle where we are in for at least 50 pages or more.

Why not act and proceed on these statements/comments as Verpies is making?...Which could be made in practical solutions by Hoppy etc..
We bench people we need the engineers to solve our problems...or at least feed us with facts so we can validate our results......also we need people as Hoppy to challenge a of us.
We do have a Golden team ;D..

Lets do small steps and make sure we can confirm the result so that it makes us move on instead of circling around.

I hope you all understand what my feeling is about it all and i hope we can play the game together.

Practical...i think Verpies did defined some small steps in his latest comment on Geo post.
How can and should we proceed on that?






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« Reply #15897 on: November 18, 2016, 09:07:56 PM »
  Over voltage on the mosfet gates is not every ones problem, nor the only cause of component burn outs. I don't see any of these problems on my own set up, nor excessive heating of the fets, either. 
  I don't think over voltages on the gates are the way to achieve free energy, at all. Nor do I see any one else thinking that as well. So, I don't know where Verpies is getting those ideas from.
  If anyone is seeing over voltages on their gates, this does need to be addressed, of course, but the circuit and snubbers to avoid this from happening are already known, and posted, if people would just follow the schematics. Yet no one does, and chose to invent their own snubbers systems, instead, which may cause these types of problems.
  Now if you're still getting too much voltage, and amperage as I am now seeing on my Kacher circuit's input, that does require attention, or some things will go up in smoke, sooner or later.

   Experimenting and testing the effect of HV and HF on the different type of coils, (with or without ferrite), and their interaction on the magnetic induction circuits, is what this is all about. And, Not about cooking your fets to produce free energy,
or "relying on random HV interference on the gate circuits !"   Which no one is "relying on", nor trying to do, purposely.

   

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« Reply #15898 on: November 18, 2016, 09:24:21 PM »
"Collapsing the field of HV HF or better to say abrupt collapsing, is what causes this energy to be called in,..."

You bench people need the engineers but you also need me, to show you reality.

"Abrupt collapsing" is exactly what happens in an atomic explosion. The atomic bombs were devices that drove symmetric and concentric wedges of explosive material into a center. This center experienced an "implosion". This implosion tore the fabric of space, leaving nothing in it...a empty hole/vacuum in space. Space cannot abore/stand/endure a vacuum, so it rushed more space energy into the vacuum to fill it up, instantly. As the space filled the vacuum, instantly, it looks like it "exploded", as the blast outward.

The energy "called in" is space filling the vacuum.

One more fact and you're on your way.....

You cannot store this spatial energy. You must use it immediately, therefore.....

Rather than try to store the energy, just repeat the abrupt collapse process using, for instance, a method Tesla used.... a spark gap.

Good luck. You're lucky you didn't ban me completely.

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« Reply #15899 on: November 18, 2016, 09:30:17 PM »
   I don't know about that.  The banning part, that is.
   I hope that your suggestions are what you're working on, to prove your point.

   I'm still getting PMs from Enjoykin. So no, he is also not banned completely.

   "One more fact and you're on your way..."   Really, that's good, but are you on your way?   ???

 

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