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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11719468 times)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #14910 on: September 13, 2016, 12:12:40 AM »

   apecore: Yes, disconnecting the 3t coil makes no difference. But, only when you are drawing the load from the grenade's output coil, instead of the 3t coil at the capacitor. As only the grenade's output coil is working, then.  So, no surprise, but I get no additional brightness at the bulb, or sync from the Kacher by connecting it up that way.  How about you?
 
 

Nick,
Thats good to hear.
Yes correct,..... i did draw the power from the seriecaps Grenade--28T.

Hoppy,
i know you have some toughts about this as i also know (correct me if i'm wrong),....But it seams this isn't a dead end,..
I 'd  like to asume that the HV kacher signal,... pick_up by the grenade will also give his power/energy true the 28Tyoke,......(on the push-pull signal).
How about using the grid (50Hz) as a pushpull signal without inductor?
I would like to do some additional test if it is appropiate to leave the dead-end aspect behind us.
So if there are suggestions,......let me knowm what can be done?


Nick again,.....the goal for creating a selfrunner even if  it is less then 100W additional loutput,  has also my priority and is asi believe to the next step.
So if you want to share experience/ ideas or test,.... i'm ready for it,.....just ask.

Further i think that Tomtech and Geo doing a great job in going for the power and of course efficiency (as what Hoppy in my opinion pointed out) is important to and is for sure an important aspect in the selfrunning mode.
I hope we can find a way to combine our individual progress,..... with all the benefits to come.


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« Reply #14911 on: September 13, 2016, 01:25:18 AM »
  I have the answer now, thanks ( set 500 Watt was not accidental) so accepted.
what he says about his Pll him that something stabilizes what?
something's not right here
His words say: Resonance is in place When attaches maximum load
- how it translates into practice ?
Who will explain it to me what is needed is a phase lock I played it a little bit and I wonder if it meets its purpose as will more has the HV.
Then there are moments to maintain frequency in check
 at this stage for me to not exercised and I do not know if it's a bug in my design of this system or badly to come up.
what does it all depends ?
where is the first step if any :D
cool not given up  yet.
 
  PLL there is already a circuit on this database I made the damn thing and a PCB it's the one with the 2 lock LED's the circuit is UNSTABLE, P think Itsu was also commenting on the damn thing, make sure yours is stable !!  Next what frequencies will you be using  A/. for the Katcher and B/. for the grenade ? I'm interested ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #14912 on: September 13, 2016, 11:13:27 AM »

Hoppy,
i know you have some toughts about this as i also know (correct me if i'm wrong),....But it seams this isn't a dead end,..
I 'd  like to asume that the HV kacher signal,... pick_up by the grenade will also give his power/energy true the 28Tyoke,......(on the push-pull signal).
How about using the grid (50Hz) as a pushpull signal without inductor?
I would like to do some additional test if it is appropiate to leave the dead-end aspect behind us.
So if there are suggestions,......let me knowm what can be done?


Apecore,

I would like to see both mosfets scoped gate to source (on video) and the effect on the waveform as the Kacher is switched on and off. I would also like to see the effect when you disconnect one side of the push-pull, just leaving one mosfet operating, then reconnecting and disconnecting the other mosfet. This complete sequence should be done with and without the Kacher switched-on.

Its my opinion that the grid should be eliminated and the device run on a suitable sized battery power supply.

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« Reply #14913 on: September 13, 2016, 04:13:50 PM »
Apecore,

I would like to see both mosfets scoped gate to source (on video) and the effect on the waveform as the Kacher is switched on and off. I would also like to see the effect when you disconnect one side of the push-pull, just leaving one mosfet operating, then reconnecting and disconnecting the other mosfet. This complete sequence should be done with and without the Kacher switched-on.

Its my opinion that the grid should be eliminated and the device run on a suitable sized battery power supply.

Hi Hoppy,

Thanks for responding at my request, meanwhile i did some test as you defined and i must say something nice came out.


First off all,..  complete setup i explain in the video... but also to mention is that i only use seperate grounding at my kacher transistor emittor.
And at the normal circuitry (negative) side... of course the normal house grounding.

But no additional groundings at loads,..  capacitors or something else.

I tuned the system in a 50% power consumption state.
But must say that i finally saw results wich where in case of efficiency even better than normal.

But maybe it is to early to conclude that on one leg the system works better,..... this due the factor tuning is not taken in account.
But it seems that in normal operation (both legs "ON") the push pull is not working at highest efficiency,,,,... in relation to the output
Even the inductor has no contribution at all.

But lets us analyse the outcome of the video together and see what the next step will be?

If there is a need for more tests please let me know.

https://youtu.be/osVw17lec6E

Greetings



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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #14914 on: September 13, 2016, 05:30:57 PM »
apecore,

Thanks for conducting the tests. This is where I got to with my setup and the results you show are much the same as mine. You will see from the scope waveforms that the HV is playing havoc with gate signals and that better / more stable performance can be had using a single mosfet yoke driver. Connecting the inductor only appears to increase the interference.

With a single mosfet driver, I was able to completely extinguish my bulb with hand capacitance. I have reached no conclusion about whether the HV interference to the push-pull and lighting effects we see, or a single mosfet driver are necessarily important steps to the final solution. However, I am fairly sure that the increased bulb brightness when the Kacher is switched-on is due to interference on the mosfet gate, resulting in a more powerful output drive to the yoke and therefore increased induction into the 28-wire and 3-wire secondary yoke windings. I suspect that the HV interference to one of the mosfets is badly switching, causing a grounding-out of the supply line, thus increasing current draw.

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« Reply #14915 on: September 13, 2016, 06:00:05 PM »
  apecore:
  Thanks for your tests.
  From what I can see on your video, (which is still a little confusing to me), is that the way that you have your system set up, is not working right.  If you connect the other two bulbs, the tests would possibly be more accurate, as running a single 100w bulb on 24v 5 amps, (120w) and only dimly lighting the one bulb, including using the Kacher's output effect. It's hard to evaluate your bulbs output, as we can't really see it on the video. Maybe you can turn the bulb so that we can see the light, instead of pointing it up.
   But, I do understand that you are now testing according to Hoppy's suggestions.
 
   What possibly your video is showing is that there is no sync between the induction circuits, if you are just taking the output from the 28t coil, and showing no effect (or a negative effect) when connecting the 3t coil.  I can practically light a 100w to that same degree, just from the Kacher's input, with no induction circuit turned on.
   Please load the other two bulbs, connected to the 3t coil, and let me know what happens. Also your inductor is wound with three layers, and going all the way across to the end of the grenade's ouput coil, and not the 1/2 way point on the former tube. Try to make a tap at the two layers point on the inductor to see if there is any difference.
Ruslan does not use three layers on the inductor coil, nor Akula.
 
   Placing your hand near the antenna coil, is showing a brightning of the bulb. This to me also indicates that the system is still not tuned for best performance, and that the hand near the coil creates a better degree of resonance. Although Geo was showing the same effect with hand movements. I believe that now that has also been corrected.  Although, I can be wrong concerning Geo's set up. And perhaps he can explain it better.

   Even though Hoppy thinks that adding more bulbs, and having a higher loading is not helping in increasing the "effect", that is not what I'm seeing, and showing. There is a reason that both Ruslan and Akula are using only high wattage bulbs, instead of many smaller wattage ones.  And impedance factor is only one reason.

   One more thing. Try like Hoppy is suggesting, to use your batteries, only. And connect both the Kacher's emitter as well as the grenade (starting or ending connections) to the SAME Earth ground. Also a connection from that same ground to the 0.47uf capacitor. Try all different ways to skin this cat, and report back.
  Also, keeping in mind that connecting the scope's negative probe to the device will ground the HV to the AC grids ground, and this can affect things, as well. 
   I hope that I haven't bored you with my suggestions.
   Happy tuning... and good luck to you.

   
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #14916 on: September 13, 2016, 07:05:11 PM »
  apecore:
  Thanks for your tests.
  From what I can see on your video, (which is still a little confusing to me), is that the wyay that you have your system set up, is not working right.  If you connect the other two bulbs, the tests would possibly be more accurate, as running a single 100w bulb on 24v 5 amps, (120w) and only dimly lighting the one bulb, including using the Kacher's output effect. It's hard to evaluate your bulbs output, as we can't really see it on the video. Maybe you can turn the bulb so that we can see the light, instead of pointing it up.
   But, I do understand that you are now testing according to Hoppy's suggestions.
 
   What possibly your video is showing is that there is no sync between the induction circuits, if you are just taking the output from the 28t coil, and showing no effect (or a negative effect) when connecting the 3t coil.  I can practically light a 100w to that same degree, just from the Kacher's input, with no induction circuit turned on.
   Please load the other two bulbs, connected to the 3t coil, and let me know what happens. Also your inductor is wound with three layers, and going all the way across to the end of the grenade's ouput coil, and not the 1/2 way point on the former tube. Try to make a tap at the two layers point on the inductor to see if there is any difference.
Ruslan does not use three layers on the inductor coil, nor Akula.
 
   Placing your hand near the antenna coil, is showing a brightning of the bulb. This to me also indicates that the system is still not tuned for best performance, and that the hand near the coil creates a better degree of resonance. Although Geo was showing the same effect with hand movements. I believe that now that has also been corrected.  Although, I can be wrong concerning Geo's set up. And perhaps he can explain it better.

   Even though Hoppy thinks that adding more bulbs, and having a higher loading is not helping in increasing the "effect", that is not what I'm seeing, and showing. There is a reason that both Ruslan and Akula are using only high wattage bulbs, instead of many smaller wattage ones.  And impedance factor is only one reason.
 

Nick,
These test were only mentioned to see werther kacher effect effects the push pull.
Thats why i did not tuned it at maximum performance.

But i agree with you as you mentioned about the bulb brightness...it is indeed one of the best summerdays here in the Netherlands at the moment...so i will it agaim tonight and trying to do it as you mentioned.

Maybe it is time for us and our 3 or 4 running systems to define some standards and connection details.....as wich we now know already how it performs at highest rate.

Greetings

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« Reply #14917 on: September 13, 2016, 07:35:15 PM »
Nick,

As part of these tests, can you please video demonstrate your 100W lamp running from the Kacher only but please show the current draw like Apecore does, so that a comparison can be made. The Kacher does of course induce current into the grenade and induction coils, so the power (volts x amps) available to the Kacher will make a lot of difference to how bright the bulb is lit without your ZVS running. If your Kacher is pulling considerably more current at the same supply voltage than apecore's, then clearly your bulb may well shine brighter than his. As I have pointed out to you several times, you must start measuring things and not just making assumptions soley based on comparative bulb brightness between different systems.

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« Reply #14918 on: September 13, 2016, 07:51:05 PM »
you remember the old stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqHtsc537Y&t=0s
someone repeated the same level I mean just for the effect of these 1260 Watt In this construction  of the coil?
probably have someone tell me that I clung to ...
but most of the Russian reps replicas effects are wasted tests on 500 Watt why not show more ?
and without the effect of strengthening Ou.
In regards to old stuff there is Russian video where akula explained how to catch the effect and how to gain amps on the output with the tuned HV discharge pulse trains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbBr26CwAE

It would be very useful if someone would make English transcript of that video... ;)

Cheers!

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« Reply #14919 on: September 13, 2016, 08:02:27 PM »
  Please check my last post, as I made another suggestion on it.

  apecore:  If you don't tune your system first, the effects that you are seeing may just be the Kacher bringing up the output to only what the 28t coil circuit will do by itself, (when it's fully tuned), but not really "amplifying" it.
At least, That's what I've noticed.
  Also, look for the magnetite magnets, to improve the overall yoke's output, if you can. They can make big difference in the output. Possibly any strong magnets will work.

   Glad to hear that you're having good weather there.

   Hoppy:  There is nothing that I "must" do.
That only applies to what you think that YOU must do.  I do what I want to do,  not what I must do. 
   
   Here's is an older video showing what my Kacher can do (by itself), running on 24v, and approximately 2 amps.
  Kacher partially lighting a 110v, 100 watt incandescent bulb. - YouTube
   
   At the moment my Kacher is connected and running from to the rectified voltage coming from the 28t coil, not from PS, as in the video above, nor from a battery.  I've explained to you that the Kacher's input voltage from the induction system is 20v, not 24v as with the PS in the video.  I'm trying to provide you with what you asked for, when I can, and in my own way.
 
   Geo has blown us all away, without any test gear at all. So, perhaps we can learn something from his methods, as he is not being distracted by "readings". Or focusing on matching resonant points by using a scope.  Each to his own, way.
  "Diversity is the spice of life".  Or so you mentioned, remember?
   

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« Reply #14920 on: September 13, 2016, 09:31:16 PM »
   T-1000:
   Yes, thanks.  That video is showing something similar to what I had just done, except that I return the output to the Kacher circuit, instead, and not to the induction circuit.  But, worth trying it anyways, including the spark gap, like some other guys are doing.

   But, keep in mind that that is NOT Ruslan's tuning methods, at all. He just connects the circuits up to the grenade, and turns the TL 494 board controllers, adds some wima caps,  and that's all, folks.
Maybe it's not that easy, but, maybe it is. However, Ruslan's latest video provides twice the output of Akulas devices.
 
   The problem that most of us have noticed when matching frequencies, to fixed 1/4, 1/3, or 1/2 wave ratios, is that nothing happens.
   How did your device (or better said, your friend's device) work out? You have not kept us informed of your results.
   

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« Reply #14921 on: September 13, 2016, 09:40:53 PM »
In regards to old stuff there is Russian video where akula explained how to catch the effect and how to gain amps on the output with the tuned HV discharge pulse trains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbBr26CwAE

It would be very useful if someone would make English transcript of that video... ;)

Cheers!
Wesley could you translate this video please ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hbBr26CwAE

AG

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« Reply #14922 on: September 14, 2016, 10:12:34 AM »

   Hoppy:  There is nothing that I "must" do.
That only applies to what you think that YOU must do.  I do what I want to do,  not what I must do. 
   
   Here's is an older video showing what my Kacher can do (by itself), running on 24v, and approximately 2 amps.
  Kacher partially lighting a 110v, 100 watt incandescent bulb. - YouTube
   
   At the moment my Kacher is connected and running from to the rectified voltage coming from the 28t coil, not from PS, as in the video above, nor from a battery.  I've explained to you that the Kacher's input voltage from the induction system is 20v, not 24v as with the PS in the video.  I'm trying to provide you with what you asked for, when I can, and in my own way.
 
   Geo has blown us all away, without any test gear at all. So, perhaps we can learn something from his methods, as he is not being distracted by "readings". Or focusing on matching resonant points by using a scope.  Each to his own, way.
  "Diversity is the spice of life".  Or so you mentioned, remember?
   

Nick,

Surely you must realise that videos, showing devices with bulbs at various levels of brightness with very little or no measurement data is next to useless in terms of being useful and helpful to others involved in this joint quest for a self-runner. Please adopt a more helpful and serious approach like apecore and start showing measurements in your videos. Its not surprising to me that technically serious guys like Itsu, Jeg and Dog have ceased regularly contributing to this thread when all they see is others in a silly contest on who has the brightest bulbs with little or no interest in measuring power levels!  :(

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« Reply #14923 on: September 14, 2016, 10:25:29 AM »
Surely you must realise that videos, showing devices with bulbs at various levels of brightness with very little or no measurement data is next to useless in terms of being useful and helpful to others involved in this joint quest for a self-runner.
There is also the little problem with measurement instruments when it comes to measuring ion winds and how they contribute to the power output. It is open system with electrostatic charges being used in the transformer.
So not always it is useless with trying out substitutes for the measurement instruments.

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« Reply #14924 on: September 14, 2016, 10:37:01 AM »
There is also the little problem with measurement instruments when it comes to measuring ion winds and how they contribute to the power output. It is open system with electrostatic charges being used in the transformer.
So not always it is useless with trying out substitutes for the measurement instruments.

Maybe this is a good time for you to expand on this subject and suggest some suitable instruments for measuring the electrostatic charges / ion winds and how they contribute to power output.