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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8332326 times)

Offline NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10800 on: October 11, 2015, 09:24:39 PM »
  One meter distance...  I haven't seen Ruslan doing that from one meter distance.  But, I'll check, but I doubt that a scope or your multi-meter can really read the right frequency at that one meter distance.
   Doesn't your frequency change when placing the scope probe right next to (or on) the antenna coil, as compared to a meter away. Yes, No?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10801 on: October 11, 2015, 10:01:23 PM »
  One meter distance...  I haven't seen Ruslan doing that from one meter distance.  But, I'll check, but I doubt that a scope or your multi-meter can really read the right frequency at that one meter distance.
   Doesn't your frequency change when placing the scope probe right next to (or on) the antenna coil, as compared to a meter away. Yes, No?

Good day NickZ

Actually the frequency* will remain the same, it is the Amplitude of the signal that will vary as per distance.

*the frequency will change as you capacitively couple your hand/body to the near field of the coil, but this is another matter all together.

take care, peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10802 on: October 12, 2015, 12:19:30 AM »
Good day NickZ

Actually the frequency* will remain the same, it is the Amplitude of the signal that will vary as per distance.

*the frequency will change as you capacitively couple your hand/body to the near field of the coil, but this is another matter all together.

take care, peace
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The Mazelli thing i have set up voltage and load changes frequency and phase error starts to creep in with power loss, perhaps your setup is different. Or is it me i have frequency meter monitoring the dam thing !
Had a play with it for an evening now it's on the side ;)

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« Reply #10803 on: October 12, 2015, 12:22:07 AM »
  Ok, so you're all correct it seams. And I learned something.
  I moved the one turns coil to the right side of the grenade's output coil, and off of the inductor coil. To see if there was any difference in the frequency. And it looks like there is no difference between the two test points. Both readings are showing about the same frequency, of 1.85Mhz, or so. Scope shot below.
  So, this should be my 168 turns coil's self resonant frequency.  I hope.

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« Reply #10804 on: October 12, 2015, 12:30:20 AM »
  Alien Grey:
  Don't know what to say. Maybe just keep it off to the side, or come up with something better.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10805 on: October 12, 2015, 03:51:26 PM »
  T-1000: That video is showing how the PLL works to maintain a steady frequency. Nice!  Yet, the bulbs still dim with each additional bulb, although the scope settings stay the same.  And for that device being the 4000w output version, ALL those bulbs look pretty dim, without the Kacher adding anything to the induction circuit. 
  Also, just look at his Kacher's primary and secondary coils in that circuit, using the long secondary, and a several turns primary (8 turns?).
  Although that is the not device version that I'm working towards at the moment, the question was: why don't you guys show what your PLL can do.  Not by showing how well Oleg's circuit works.
  I've already explained that I will keep my load of 3 100w bulbs steady, not changing it, for now. And tune my device to that load. And we'll see how steady the device works, or doesn't work, to hold the frequency.
Hi.
I was for a long time surprised that it really gives that power to the system because having this 6Amper as we can see in the video at rest without relief
and a 900 Watt light bulbs and we see a change of frequency and brightness utrade these bulbs but what happens with the collection of current from the battery?
so it seems that the PLL circuit maintains a high state of resonance in spite of changes in load resistance is the bulb

This is interesting because nobody showed how does it really Pll and whether 900Watt in parallel of these bulbs is able to light up and show efficiency whether it is wine ferrite core?
I checked it myself and I can not really explain why I can not light up all the bulbs?
-and if what we see is the result desired, take into account that how we connect another bulb decreases power consumption drawn from the battery,This as we have seen what happens when both ends are shorted,(example in a ZVS)
and the output coil grenade
 the bulb still do not go out completely.


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« Reply #10806 on: October 12, 2015, 07:04:03 PM »
    I added some turns back to my Kacher secondary, and also tried a 6 turns primary like Ruslan/Akula have.  But I lost the ability to light the 220v bulb, as well as a 10w bulb, at the same time on the open induction coil, and the open grenade's output coil.
   I took a reading of my Kacher at the antenna coil (about 7 inches away from the antenna). This (below) is what it's frequency is reading now. The sec/div setting is at .5us.  Sorry it doesn't show up well.  I thought that I was lowering the frequency, as I added more turns, but I guess not. This is maybe what John.K1 is noticing also. 
  I get  T=0.3us  and the CalcTool gave me 3.3Mhz.  You may get up to 4.Mhz, or so.
 
  Itsu: Does that mean that I should tune down the Kacher frequency to about 1.85Mhz, to match my grenade output coil frequency?

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« Reply #10807 on: October 12, 2015, 08:58:16 PM »
    I added some turns back to my Kacher secondary, and also tried a 6 turns primary like Ruslan/Akula have.  But I lost the ability to light the 220v bulb, as well as a 10w bulb, at the same time on the open induction coil, and the open grenade's output coil.
   I took a reading of my Kacher at the antenna coil (about 7 inches away from the antenna). This (below) is what it's frequency is reading now. The sec/div setting is at .5us.  Sorry it doesn't show up well.  I thought that I was lowering the frequency, as I added more turns, but I guess not. This is maybe what John.K1 is noticing also. 
  I get  T=0.3us  and the CalcTool gave me 3.3Mhz.  You may get up to 4.Mhz, or so.
 
  Itsu: Does that mean that I should tune down the Kacher frequency to about 1.85Mhz, to match my grenade output coil frequency?

Nick,

thats what you get when changing 2 things at the same time, it seems that the kacher with the more secondary turns and more primary turns is oscillating on a higher frequency now, i agree, around 3.3MHz

Go back to the "normal" primary and see if the frequency went down as it should be with more turns on the secondary.

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« Reply #10808 on: October 13, 2015, 03:11:36 AM »
Go back to the "normal" primary and see if the frequency went down as it should be with more turns on the secondary.

Yes guys, the primary is every bit as critical as the secondary.  Like I said previously, winding these things is much more of an art than it is a science.

For fun, try using a pancake style primary with the same number of turns and observe what happens.  Also try different thickness wire and move the primary around on the secondary.  Everything seems to matter; finding the best combination is tricky at best and impossible at worst.  If you happen to stumble on something in the ballpark, see if you can wind a brand new one exactly the same and get the same results; if you can, then only make tiny adjustments to the new one.  It's a bugger no doubt about it.  The only thing that has worked for me is to imagine Dr. Tesla watching over your shoulder and smiling when you begin to move in the right direction.

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« Reply #10809 on: October 13, 2015, 06:43:42 AM »
 Tomtech:
  After watching your video showing how to tune the grenade and Kacher frequencies by using a SG and an led, so, I tried it out.
I connected the SG to the induction coil (open ends), and the led on the grenade output coil. The best frequency I get for my grenade output coil using the SG input method was 1.25Mhz, as read on my scope. I think that you got 1.5Mhz?
  I'll test the Kacher in the same way tomorrow.

  Thanks for sharing your way of doing the frequency check.  It was simple and hopefully will be the best way to go.
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« Reply #10810 on: October 13, 2015, 07:04:32 AM »
  Itsu:
  Well, I did almost go back to the "normal" 3 turns primary coil for the Kacher, but I made a new one instead, that's just a little wider (diameter) than the one I used at first. Which did lower the frequency down to 2.5Mhz, from 3.3Mhz previously.  I just wanted to have enough isolation and distance from one coil to the other, but it seams like my best primary coil is using three turns wound right top on the secondary, at least for a higher amplitude.  But, for now I'll use the newly made three turns primary, with has about 3/8in to 1/2in of clearance between it and the secondary coil.

  I wonder if the 1.25Mhz that I'm getting using the led method is a harmonic of 2.5Mhz which my SG won't reach to. 
Just a thought...
  Any ideas as to what I should do next? Should I connect the Mazilli/yoke back together with the grenade yet, or is there something else needed to be done first.   My head is spinning.... how's yours?

 

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« Reply #10811 on: October 13, 2015, 10:39:44 AM »

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Any ideas as to what I should do next?


Good question Nick.

you are at the same point most of us are right now; how/what to tune.

Guess you go with what you do know, like

# 15Khz resonance on the 3-turn, inductor coil (and your mazilli) when following Ruslan latest setup (27Khz when earlier)
# 1:50, 1:60 or 1:100 relationship with the Grenade (750Khz, 900Khz or 1.5Mhz) when using 15Khz
# tune kacher to stimulate the grenade on the grenades frequency or any sub harmonic to maximize a bulb lightup.
# use a good ground (thats where most of our problems lie IMO).

Put it all together and keep on tuning.

By the way, my head is fine,  thanks.

Regards Itsu


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« Reply #10812 on: October 13, 2015, 11:06:59 AM »

The only thing that has worked for me is to imagine Dr. Tesla watching over your shoulder and smiling when you begin to move in the right direction.

Good advice Dog.  ;D

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« Reply #10813 on: October 13, 2015, 03:51:37 PM »
  Thanks Itsu. I'll connect the grenade back up to the Mazilli/yoke, and see what the frequency reads on the 3 turns coil, and try to adjust it accordingly by using the turning caps.  I still have 4 turns on the 3 turns coil, so that can also be dropped to 3 turns, if needed to further adjust the frequency. 
  I may need to go down to 1.25Mhz for the Kacher's output, as that was where I was also getting the 3mm streamer, and the intense HV stinging was felt. Or the 1.85Mhz, we came up with.
  I have a feeling that all the sweet spots need to be tunes for and found for each device, and not rely on other peoples results.
 
  How's your new push-pull driver coming?
  My head is fine now, as well.  My last post was at midnight, and the spinning was from lack of sleep. 

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« Reply #10814 on: October 13, 2015, 04:14:53 PM »
 
  I have a feeling that all the sweet spots need to be tunes for and found for each device, and not rely on other peoples results.
 

Nick,

With your dogged determination to succeed, I think you may one day be able to write-up some tuning instructions for us lazy old dogs.  ;D

 

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