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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 8445248 times)

Offline John.K1

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10740 on: October 07, 2015, 03:13:44 PM »
Guys, may I ask you as it is not clear to me. The measurement of resonant frequency of serial tank circuit is different to parallel one. In Parallel we are looking for highest amplitude, in serial for lowest.  What is the grenade coil?  For me it looks like capacitors and inductors (and resistor) in series?  Kinda confusing for me . Can somebody make it clear for me? Thank you guys.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10741 on: October 07, 2015, 06:08:44 PM »
The Transmission line theory might be useful and because the grenade coil is also inductive element where the wave propagation delay is different than in plain cable.

Jonh.K1 - every RLC resonance circuit includes resistance where series resonant circuit have resistance of power source and the paralel resonant circuit have direct connection to the coil so the resistance is much lower. This is why the resonant frequencies are different with same LC values.
For the grenade coil we need to look from both perspectives as it is being used as part of induction heater circuit and also as the recever from RF from Tesla coil. So the both transformer and RF transmission line theories have to be applied there.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10742 on: October 07, 2015, 07:34:40 PM »
The Transmission line theory might be useful and because the grenade coil is also inductive element where the wave propagation delay is different than in plain cable.

Jonh.K1 - every RLC resonance circuit includes resistance where series resonant circuit have resistance of power source and the paralel resonant circuit have direct connection to the coil so the resistance is much lower. This is why the resonant frequencies are different with same LC values.
For the grenade coil we need to look from both perspectives as it is being used as part of induction heater circuit and also as the recever from RF from Tesla coil. So the both transformer and RF transmission line theories have to be applied there.
The serial resonance has low amplitude in resonance because the induction reactance goes up  and capacitive reactance goes down. In other words, the volume of capacitance decrease in resonance point .
I have seen Eric Dollard speaking about the Transmition Line Theory. I might take a look at that movie again as i didn't pay much attention to it last time. You can find it on YouTube.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10743 on: October 07, 2015, 09:58:36 PM »
What is the ground plane in the configuration? what is capacitive component? a transmission line has a capacitive component which impacts its working frequency/impedance. if the transmission line is open ended then the 2nd wire is irrelevant for the most part since it is mostly capacitive. This is antenna theory, the ground wire matches the grenade coils length thus this is its ground plane, its matched ground element.

The Kacher radiator coil is part of this, as well as the 25 turn x 2 coil, all of these will impact the operation and its resonant point.

I would use a capacitance and inductance meter to determine actual values and see what the readings are in relation to the primary coil against the other coils in the arrangement, check this against the desired operating frequency (mathematically), then see how this lines up with the actual results when all components are in place (coils). Then solve for the capacitive component to align the coils to the desired operating frequency.

remember the kacher is the source (kicker/transmitter), the 168 turn coil is the resonant tank (mixer?)and then you tap the tank for power, the capacitors are required to tune the tank circuits, store energy and offset the phase shift of current and voltage due to inductors.

I find the tesla coil (Kacher) is 1/4 wave of the 168 turn coil, at least in my setup.

Thanks starcruiser,

interesting post.

So i put my grenade coil above a copper (conductive) plate and used that as my return wire.
I used my pico-pulser to pulse one side of the grenade coil with the copper plate connected to the minus of this pico-pulser
Then as with time domain measurements, i left the other side of the grenade open and scoped the input side for a reflected signal.

Normaly if i use this on a piece of coax (10m) i can clearly see the reflected signal coming back from the open end of that coax (positive pulse)
and when i short the far end the reflected pulse returns as negative.

But with the grenade coil on the copper plate, no reflections are seen, positive or negative (when i short the far side of the grenade to the copper plate)
So this test tells me that the grenade is not acting as a transmission line or the inductance of the grenade (122uH) is to high and interferes with the pulse.


 
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« Reply #10744 on: October 07, 2015, 10:33:09 PM »
But with the grenade coil on the copper plate, no reflections are seen, positive or negative (when i short the far side of the grenade to the copper plate)
So this test tells me that the grenade is not acting as a transmission line or the inductance of the grenade (122uH) is to high and interferes with the pulse.

You can try this nano pulse on Tesla coil with its top load over inductor of grenade coil. Then see how far signal goes inside of it with CFL over as indicator.
Would be interesting to see.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10745 on: October 08, 2015, 10:44:05 AM »
Trying to get a better understanding of the grenade coil, I put this spreadsheet together with the hope of figuring out its operation.  Look closely at the bandwidth for each layer, the propagation delay and the combined frequency.  Without even considering the interwinding inductance and polarity reversals, this thing looks like a creation by someone off planet--very sophisticated.  How Akula and Ruslan got hold of it is anybody's guess.  Maybe they were visited by the tall blonds.  ;)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10746 on: October 08, 2015, 11:31:39 AM »

T-1000,

i tried that, but same problem as with the Grenade, no return line, and using the copper plate does not show any activity in the grenade coil / inductor when pulsing the Tesla (kacher) coil.



Dog-One,

that zip file seems empty.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10747 on: October 08, 2015, 12:13:33 PM »
T-1000,

i tried that, but same problem as with the Grenade, no return line, and using the copper plate does not show any activity in the grenade coil / inductor when pulsing the Tesla (kacher) coil.


For diagnostics:
1) Is CFL lit near top load(antenna) of Tesla coil?
2) is it lit when touching top winding of grenade coil?
3) Is it lit when touching copper plate?

Wonder where signal is lost in your case..

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10748 on: October 08, 2015, 01:03:57 PM »
Itsu- try to extract it by using free 7-zip program.  It worked for me. It still say Unexpected end of the file but you can see filled spreadsheet. WinRar didn't work for me to extract it.

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« Reply #10748 on: October 08, 2015, 01:03:57 PM »
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« Reply #10749 on: October 08, 2015, 03:58:58 PM »
For diagnostics:
1) Is CFL lit near top load(antenna) of Tesla coil?
2) is it lit when touching top winding of grenade coil?
3) Is it lit when touching copper plate?

Wonder where signal is lost in your case..

T-1000,

my pico-pulser only outputs a 740ps pulse of 2/3V, which will not light up a CFL, so i don't think it will light up a CFL when further down the chain.
Or do i misunderstand you somehow?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10750 on: October 08, 2015, 04:00:05 PM »
Itsu- try to extract it by using free 7-zip program.  It worked for me. It still say Unexpected end of the file but you can see filled spreadsheet. WinRar didn't work for me to extract it.

Hi John,

no, also with 7-zip it says the file is empty  (its only 8KB).

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10751 on: October 08, 2015, 04:05:57 PM »
my pico-pulser only outputs a 740ps pulse of 2/3V, which will not light up a CFL, so i don't think it will light up a CFL when further down the

My understanding was you were pulsing MOSFET gate on Tesla coil driver side. It need to pass through MOSFET and trigger pulse on Tesla coil primary from +130-150V source so the voltage will be amplified to kV range where CFL will come handy as indicator.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10752 on: October 08, 2015, 04:14:03 PM »
My understanding was you were pulsing MOSFET gate on Tesla coil driver side. It need to pass through MOSFET and trigger pulse on Tesla coil primary from +130-150V source so the voltage will be amplified to kV range where CFL will come handy as indicator.


Aha, ok so we did misunderstand each other.
No i have a stand alone pico-pulser which i use to pulse a coax (transmission line) to measure its length, velocity factor and impedance if unknown.
I tried that on the grenade, but it does not act like a transmission line as i do not see any reflected pulse coming back from the end of the grenade.

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« Reply #10753 on: October 08, 2015, 04:34:00 PM »
Hi Tomtech,

I cannot comment on the PLL circuitry because I have not built and experimented with this. However, my experience using the push-pull driving the yoke is that the power rails are 'spiked' leading to the linear voltage regulators serving the oscillator and other parts of the device being stressed and overheated. The UR4007 protection diodes shown on the ALLEGGA circuit are IMO inadequate and a 'clamp' winding as detailed by Verpies is ideally needed to clean-up the yoke output waveform.

Hoppy,

concerning the above quote in bold, are you refering to the below snubber details (see picture)?
Any comment on this snubber setup, is it adequate?

Its taken from this diagram here:  http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg461537/#msg461537


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« Reply #10754 on: October 08, 2015, 04:41:21 PM »
No i have a stand alone pico-pulser which i use to pulse a coax (transmission line) to measure its length, velocity factor and impedance if unknown.
I tried that on the grenade, but it does not act like a transmission line as i do not see any reflected pulse coming back from the end of the grenade.
WIth low voltages it is unknown where signal will stop as the grenade coil is far from perfect transmission line and the losses probably are too great for this instrument. My suggestion would be to fall back on old primitive ways of measurements and pass high voltage from Tesla coil for a signal over top load series capacitance to grenade coil then see how far the signal propagates.

P.S> the YT link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1-RIcj1HY from Hoppy is valid at this point because we want to tune maximum transmission over coiled wire to the end.

 

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