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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10455 on: September 27, 2015, 05:51:07 PM »
  Ok, I'll look into borrowing a SG and use my scope probe with twin clip leads on it. I also do have some big fat resistors that came with the scope, so I imagine that those resistors are for use with the twin clip leads.

  Hoppy: I'm waiting for you to show us how well the push-pull PWM circuit that you are suggesting works for you, first.
   I'm still looking to "ditch" the Mazilli and replace it with something commercially built and more controlable, but, I'm doing what I can for now. And the Mazilli circuit is working fairly well for now, and it's not overheating like before.

  Itsu: You mentioned:
# changing the frequency of the mazilla (to match the present (hidden) resonance frequency of the inductor, 3-turn coil 0.47uF cap)   or by
# changing the frequency of the inductor, 3-turn coil, 0.47uF cap (to match the present (known) resonance frequency of the mazilla).

The first you do by using your magnet on the yoke and/or by adding/removing caps on the mazilla circuit.
The second you do by adding more caps to the 0.47uF caps parallel (more capacitance) or in series (less capacitance) but be aware of the possible high voltage there.
                                                     end quote.

  I've already done that, and those were the results, so far, with the caps that I have on hand. However, I still have only the original 12, 12, turns on the grenade inductor coil, from before, when it was running on 12v, but now is at 24v. 
So, that inductor coil may need to be changed. To what?
  Another thing is that my Kacher circuit was working much better at lower frequencies. Showing a nice 3mm steam, and stinging felt from the HV.  Now it only gives a 1mm spark, and no stinging felt. Light output from a near by CFL was also stronger, at lower frequencies.


 

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« Reply #10456 on: September 27, 2015, 06:07:45 PM »
  Ok, I'll look into borrowing a SG and use my scope probe with twin clip leads on it. I also do have some big fat resistors that came with the scope, so I imagine that those resistors are for use with the twin clip leads.

  Hoppy: I'm waiting for you to show us how well the push-pull PWM circuit that you are suggesting works for you, first.
   I'm still looking to "ditch" the Mazilli and replace it with something commercially built and more controlable, but, I'm doing what I can for now. And the Mazilli circuit is working fairly well for now, and it's not overheating like before.
 

Nick,

As I mentioned earlier, like others, I'm not wasting my time re-building at least until I'm happy that I have filled the gaps in my understanding of this contraption. However, there are plenty of circuit schematics available for the push-pull PWM which you can use as developing your circuit build skills. I've not yet found a suitable commercially built oscillator, despite searching the internet a few times. I would suggest that if you do decide to DIY, then incorporate the clamping circuitry suggested by Verpies, otherwise you could end up with more of an electric heater than an efficient oscillator!

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10457 on: September 27, 2015, 06:18:58 PM »
For those, who is interested as the Tesla coil is the part of this design, you might find this calculator handy  http://www.classictesla.com/java/javatc/javatc.html 

 

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« Reply #10458 on: September 27, 2015, 06:30:55 PM »
I'm unsure about the need for a really thick earth wire of 25mm sq as has been quoted on a couple of schematics. Can someone please explain the technical reason for this.

Probably not a technical explanation, but here goes...

Imagine a spring, a large heavy benchtop vice and a pair of pliers.  If you hold the spring near the middle with the pliers and tap one end, the spring will vibrate similar to a tuning fork with both ends having the highest amplitude and the middle having none or nearly no vibration.  Now if you hold the spring at one end with the pliers and tap the other end, the spring will again resonate, but at a lower frequency and most of the vibration will be at the open end.  The end held with the pliers will too vibrate, but not nearly so much due to the additional mass in contact with that end of the spring.  At some point not far from the held end, the vibration will be nearly undetectable.  Lastly, if you repeat this holding the spring at one end with the large bench vice, the frequency should again lower slightly and there should be no vibration at the end held by the vice.

My thinking is the above analogy translates pretty close to the behavior of the grenade coil, where the ground becomes the mass attached to the spring.  The more firm the ground, the lower the frequency.  The idea being that a heavy ground cable is the equivalent of a solid bench vice.

Granted, I'm sketchy as how this concept induces excess energy to enter the system, but I do think it describes the behavior of the grenade coil at its natural resonance.  Once you add a capacitor to this coil and begin exciting it at much lower frequencies, I'm inclined to think the coil itself still behaves the same way even though now it has become part of a larger circuit.  Those natural resonant frequencies are still integral to the coil regardless of what the coil is connected to.  Here's where I think the Tesla coil comes into play.  It's frequency matches or is a harmonic of the natural resonant frequency of the grenade coil.  When the Tesla coil is excited/activated, the grenade coil begins to resonant via sympathetic vibration.  So now you have this mixing of high and low frequencies riding on the grenade coil.  At certain points on this waveform you should see peak amplitudes that are additive.  If driven to a load, this electrical power cannot have a Lenz Law effect on both sources, only one, because the high frequency source is merely sympathetic and will not effect the Tesla coil that induced its excitation.  Recall the singer and wine glass--the vibrating glass has zero effect on the singer's voice, however the opposite is not true.

Call me crazy, but I can see a glimmer of hope there is something to this gizmo.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10459 on: September 27, 2015, 06:36:17 PM »
  Hoppy:
  After 2770 posts, you think that you are not wasting time. 
  Wasting time is not what I'm doing, as time costs me nothing. Therefor, I'm wasting nothing. My time is free.

   A circuit that is full of resistors, diodes, capacitors, fets, choke coils, inductors, that are to be used as the adjustable frequency and control PWM, etz... are the "heaters". OR not?

   Concerning the thick ground cable with many strands.  If I connect my device to my thick 37.5 meter ground line that goes into my water well, I get an increase in output, on the scope, and at the bulbs. If I connect my device to a 5 meter earth ground line, I get no additional increase in output.  But, the thing is, that no one wants to have to buy a thick welding cable, to use as the grounding line, because it's expensive, at 37.5 or 40 meters long.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10460 on: September 27, 2015, 06:46:16 PM »
  Hoppy:
  After 2770 posts, you think that you are not wasting time. 
  Wasting time is not what I'm doing, as time costs me nothing. Therefor, I'm wasting nothing. My time is free.

   A circuit that is full of resistors, diodes, capacitors, fets, choke coils, inductors, that are to be used as the adjustable frequency and control PWM, etz... are the "heaters". OR not?

Nick,

My time is also free but I still do not want to waste it. I have other money earning projects taking up bench space.

Its all about reducing heat losses, not eliminating them.

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« Reply #10461 on: September 27, 2015, 06:51:33 PM »
  And adding 100 components like in Ruslan's newest circuit, will reduces heat losses?  Or makes up for them???

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10462 on: September 27, 2015, 07:01:58 PM »
  And adding 100 components like in Ruslan's newest circuit, will reduces heat losses?  Or makes up for them???

These additional components may prove necessary to provide phase control etc. Anyway, as you have speculated in the past and Ruslan has shown you to your satisfaction (not mine ;) ), the 'free energy' more than covers any insertion losses.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10463 on: September 27, 2015, 07:05:08 PM »
Dog, Hoppy,

I already pointed some idea in my  Reply #10431 couple pages back.  We live in the ocean of the energy , lets imagine it as a lake. It is also potential energy and we can get some work from if and only if we find potential difference. Lets say we have a boats on one side of the lake and we want to get them on other side with as less of oenergy as possible. To use the rope is not a solution. Now imagine we use just a little energy to pull the plug and the mass of water will start to flow and so does  boats as many you want. Tesla is that plug. The energy goes not out of the capacitor but in to it.  And when the energy goes in to it it has to go somewhere out. I think here is the main role of that thick wire. Get as much of that flowing energy in time as possible??  Just some opinion, which is not from my head.  For those who speaks Rusian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VCxVktUN8

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10464 on: September 27, 2015, 07:11:08 PM »
Dog, Hoppy,

I already pointed some idea in my  Reply #10431 couple pages back.  We live in the ocean of the energy , lets imagine it as a lake. It is also potential energy and we can get some work from if and only if we find potential difference. Lets say we have a boats on one side of the lake and we want to get them on other side with as less of oenergy as possible. To use the rope is not a solution. Now imagine we use just a little energy to pull the plug and the mass of water will start to flow and so does  boats as many you want. Tesla is that plug. The energy goes not out of the capacitor but in to it.  And when the energy goes in to it it has to go somewhere out. I think here is the main role of that thick wire. Get as much of that flowing energy in time as possible??  Just some opinion, which is not from my head.  For those who speaks Rusian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VCxVktUN8

Interesting theory John. So do you think its the surface area of the conductor that's important or its cross sectional area?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10465 on: September 27, 2015, 07:22:41 PM »
  Since both Ruslan and Akula are constantly changing their devices, sometimes for the better, and sometimes for the worst. They are not done deals.
  The way I see it, obtaining the best coil to circuit relationship, using the least components is also important.
In any case, what I'm after is, first, just to see the "effect".  The rest can come afterwards.
 Adding trim pots, resistors, diodes, chokes, etz... will only help if you need them because the frequencies are off. But, these do nothing to actually increase the output.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10466 on: September 27, 2015, 07:25:02 PM »
Not sure Hoppy.  My first guess is the surface area. That's why Ruslan use the Litz wire  (welding cable)?  , That's maybe why Tariel was using many wires? forming Litz wire too.  Many wires, lots of surface area. Just guess.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10467 on: September 27, 2015, 07:26:29 PM »
  Ok, I'll look into borrowing a SG and use my scope probe with twin clip leads on it. I also do have some big fat resistors that came with the scope, so I imagine that those resistors are for use with the twin clip leads.

  Hoppy: I'm waiting for you to show us how well the push-pull PWM circuit that you are suggesting works for you, first.
   I'm still looking to "ditch" the Mazilli and replace it with something commercially built and more controlable, but, I'm doing what I can for now. And the Mazilli circuit is working fairly well for now, and it's not overheating like before.

  Itsu: You mentioned:
# changing the frequency of the mazilla (to match the present (hidden) resonance frequency of the inductor, 3-turn coil 0.47uF cap)   or by
# changing the frequency of the inductor, 3-turn coil, 0.47uF cap (to match the present (known) resonance frequency of the mazilla).

The first you do by using your magnet on the yoke and/or by adding/removing caps on the mazilla circuit.
The second you do by adding more caps to the 0.47uF caps parallel (more capacitance) or in series (less capacitance) but be aware of the possible high voltage there.
                                                     end quote.

  I've already done that, and those were the results, so far, with the caps that I have on hand. However, I still have only the original 12, 12, turns on the grenade inductor coil, from before, when it was running on 12v, but now is at 24v. 
So, that inductor coil may need to be changed. To what?
  Another thing is that my Kacher circuit was working much better at lower frequencies. Showing a nice 3mm steam, and stinging felt from the HV.  Now it only gives a 1mm spark, and no stinging felt. Light output from a near by CFL was also stronger, at lower frequencies.


 

Nick,

ok, good.

in my 12V system, the yoke primary was 2x 6 turns, and i changed that to 2x 12 turns when i went to the 24V system, like Ruslan had done.
So if you presently on your 24V system have a primary of 2x 12 turns, that is good.

The kacher running at higher frequency is caused by the lesser turns on the secondary, but at the same time you reduce the voltage.
The only thing you can do to increase that secondary output voltage is to increase the primary voltage.
Latest diagram from "ALLEGGA" a few pages back show that the kacher primary is running on 130-135V!! see here:
http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg461537/#msg461537

Regards Itsu

 

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« Reply #10468 on: September 27, 2015, 07:50:52 PM »
  Itsu:
  I was referring to the grenade's inductor (resonator) coil, not the yoke primary. Yes, my yoke primary is at 12, 12, turns, but, my induction coil (resonator) is also at 12, 12turns bifilar wound. Should it be 24, 24 turns, when it's running on 24v. Should I rewind it adding double the amount of turns?
 
  Concerning the Kacher, mine is already overheating the transistor. I am preparing a new heat sink for it, with more fin area.
So, I don't think that running it at, lets say, 36v would be advice able. At least not with the way that I have it, or by adding resistance to the transistor base.
 
   I would also be interested in the running the Kacher at higher voltages, like 120v to 220v, or so. Or even directly from the output of the grenade coil, once rectified. If the right transistors are used, which could take it.
  If the ferrite tuning rod can raise Akula's voltage to 30kv, as someone mentioned, I haven't seen it doing so, by the looks of his weak sparks seen on his ferrite rod/screwdriver test. But, Ruslan's HV sparks are much more intense, though.
 
   At about 1.2Mhz, or so was where I think that I saw the best output from my Kacher circuit. But, I'll have to look back on my previous made posts to make sure. At least now I know that the Kacher's secondary coil can be tuned from 700khz to 2.5Mhz.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #10469 on: September 27, 2015, 08:35:24 PM »
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Itsu:
I was referring to the grenade's inductor (resonator) coil, not the yoke primary. Yes, my yoke primary is at 12, 12, turns, but, my induction coil (resonator) is also at 12, 12turns bifilar wound. Should it be 24, 24 turns, when it's running on 24v. Should I rewind it adding double the amount of turns?


Aha,   ok,  i misunderstood.

I don't think the inductor (bifilar) coil will change when going to 24V, at least i did not change anything on my grenade / bifilar coil when i went to 24V.
It should stay at the specific length, like half the grenade coil length, meaning 17m or so.
When you wind that over the lower part of the grenade, you should have 3 layers of 24 turns or so.
Having 2x 12 turns as inductor/bifilar coil looks very short (lengthwise) to me and will cause a high resonance frequency when using 1  0.47uF cap in series (40Khz??).

Concerning this:

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I'm still looking to "ditch" the Mazilli and replace it with something commercially built and more controlable,

how about something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TL494-KA7500-DC-9V-25V-Driver-Board-DC-DC-Converter-Inverter-Boost-Module-PWM-/131586554657?hash=item1ea32b7b21

Guys, could this be something for Nick to order?   Not sure if its frequency is adjustable (enough).

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