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Author Topic: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor  (Read 12709 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« on: July 21, 2006, 08:49:13 PM »
With this letter I would like to state that the New York Sofia Institute has not at any time endorsed the magnetic motor constructed by Mr. Walter Dario Torbay and validated that it actually works, as it may appear from some statements made in websites or in publications in the Argentinean press.

On 8 April Dr. Judith Ciottone, the Dean of New York Sofia Institute and I, by our own initiative and motivated by purely scientific interest attended a meeting at the Bronx Community College. It was previously announced that at that meeting an inventor from Argentina, Mr. Walter Dario Torbay, will demonstrate a working model of a magnetic motor.

To our disappointment, only a non-functional model was shown at that meeting, aside from a video which  could serve no purpose of validating the claims.

I made it very clear to Mr. Torbay both at the meeting and in a subsequent letter to him that an actual working model must be shown to me in order for me to pursue any validation or endorsement of this motor and that a mere video such as the one shown can in no way serve as a proof that such motor is real.

Unfortunately, to this day, despite my continuing attempts to contact Mr. Torbay  and have him demonstrate, as he promised, a working model, I have never seen such working model. Moreover, Mr. Torbay and his associates have avoided all contacts since that meeting.

I am still interested in these claims which, if true, are of high scientific significance and I note that at present there are several proposals for such motors, in addition to Mr.Torbay?s version, which deserve further exploration. However, it should be clearly stated that none of these motors has so far been demonstrated to show unequivocally the claimed properties. Thus, any enthusiastic implication to the contrary at the present time is premature, to say the least.

The question as to whether devices producing excess energy exist or not has already been tainted in time with too much fraud and manipulation as to make it an easy target of many a frivolous critic. Therefore, we, those who show interest in this particular field, should approach it with the utmost integrity and openness, necessarily applying the scientific method in every respect.

Vesselin C. Noninski, PhD
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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2006, 03:45:18 AM »
Hi Vesselin.
many thanks for getting back to us over here.

Well, I am really pretty skeptically now about the motor presented in the Google video.

If you look very closely at the video at the end around 1:30 min in the video,
you can see, that the roller wheels of the stators never touch the
rotating lidcap. Also the lidcap seems to be inverted put there,
as you can see the normal side with the ramps being ontop instead
into the directions of the roller wheels.
Why ?
Also the motor starts and stops immediately as if it was switched on and off
via a hidden switch and driven by a battery and a motor hidden in the lower base.
As Torbay did build all the other parts with transparent Plexiglas, why did he build
the big lower base from nontransparent material ??

Also he now uses on his website the statement, that you Vesselin have verified
his motor, althoughg this is not the truth.... so I wonder, what is going on...

I still believe, that his motor concept is a valid concept and one could
get it to work this way, but this video and his behaviour pose more questions
than they answer...
Do you agree ?

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2006, 12:57:26 PM »
Yes, The motor in the video starts and stops immediatly, this suggests very little mass, inertia. But the rotor also turns very smoothly, this would require a steady repulsion force on the rotor if it has little mass. from what I understand from the Torbay principle, the repulsion force on the rotor would be anything but steady.

I'm pretty certain this is a scam.

In the video, the motor starts and stops several times. can anyone deduce if the rotor always stops in the same place each time? I think it would have to....

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 04:29:22 PM »
to be honest, I'm very tired of seeing badly made videos of claimed ou devices sitting on a solid table doing its thing. Why can't the camera man or inventor do better eg.

1) without cutting in and out, no video splicing and editing.
2) show what's UNDER the table and a complete 360 view orbit around the object to show that it's not connected to anything else around it, and that the only device powering it is either a small 12V / 9V /1.5V AA battery as claimed or nothing at all.
3) I'd be even more impressed if it were a complete glass/transparent table.
4) show it running for more than 30 revolutions if slow turning such as this, or for at least 3 minutes instead of like a short 30 second commercial, the intent is to prove something, not sell it like fast food to consumers yet.

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 10:48:05 AM »
Hi everybody
Please remember the pricipal of Torbay?s device.
1) it can only create a motion if there is a gap in the "magnettrack".
2) And if there is a gap, the setup will "squeeze" the rotor to the gap (at 0 degrees).

So the device should/must react like this (Rotor is moving clockwise):

1) if the sliding magnet is driving out, when the rotor is anywhere in position C, the rotor will stand still immediatly.

2) if the sliding magnet is driving out, when the rotor is anywhere behind position A, the rotor will be squeeze to positon B.

There is about a 50:50 chance that the rotor moves on, when we drive out the sliding magnet.

But on the video we see the rotor allways stop immediatly. And that is too much coincidence for me, thinking that there is something else manipulating this device.

kr
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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 09:30:59 AM »
He is probably powering it from the small generator/motor that is ontop
the plexiglas gear.
If this is a motor that is spinning real quickly and supplied
via wires from hidden batteries inside the footer case, then
it is sure, that the rotor will be stopped immediately, when the
one stator is pulled out and then switches secretly a switch
in the footer case and the small motor is thus stopping,
as geared down this will immediately also stop the wooden rotor.

So the starting and stopping is fast as it is fastened up by the gear ratio.

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2006, 02:39:33 AM »


Hi clever guys:

Ommibus, hariberlin, acp, spadestick, 2tiger.
I do agree with you. I also smell a rat. ???

My (simple ?) question is :
Why is this guy (W.D.Torbay) spending so much energy/money/reputation/time... with faked videos/annoncements/claims/patent/web Site... ?

This unanswered question is also relevant for most of the Free NRG controversial devices (Perendev, MEG, and so on).

Any advices?

Best

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2006, 02:39:33 AM »
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Offline mark australia

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2006, 03:46:25 AM »
I am not sure what motivates these people you mentioned. However its a simple matter to silence the sceptics by having a device tested independently. None of these people have. I dont believe they are dishonest in most cases but self deluded in that they only see what they want to see.
i am not sure if that answered your question which is why would they bother. maybe its the 10 minutes of fame thing.
Mark

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2006, 04:57:43 AM »

Hi Mark from Australia!

Thank you for responding.

I also whish I could shut up (silence :))) any sceptics.
I have not (yet) found/built any device doing it.
But I'm absolutely not giving up.

Most of people are honest.
Most of people are logical.
Most of  people are peaceful.
Are not they?

Self delusion and/or "few time of fame" could be an explanation.
But I'm not completely convinced.

Best

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2006, 05:23:42 AM »
Skeptics can be a healthy thing for a device that really works.  When it is proven, then the skeptics have egg on their face.  Or if the device is really a fake, then the skeptics have played their part to help self police the industry.  Either way, the skeptics have their place. 

As far as the device described at my web site goes, when I bring it to the level of development and performance that I am looking for, and have tested it myself and am satisfied, then I will not mind an independent test.  Because if I stick a device out there that I don't know will perform, and then if it fails, it would reflect badly on me.  So it is necessary to bring a well tested device (so I really know what the device can do, before I show it), so that the skeptic can have confidence in the device as well and I will know that it will hold up to scrutiny. 

Perhaps it would have been better for the inventor in New York, to bring a known working device and test it before the big show to avoid the skeptics wrath???


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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2006, 07:22:28 AM »
Well said Liberty,
I have unfortuneately become a skeptic by default. I know what you are working on has great merit, and you are following in my view the correct path. I hold an open view of all things until claims are made but no independent testing is allowed. To me, there exists a deciet if no one can verify it.
I have followed many devices for many years, only to be dissapointed. I have had friends who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars through devices they invested in on the inventors word only.

Here is a challenge, show me any evidence of validation or independent scrutiny, or succesful replication of any of these devices:
Torbay Motor
Steven Marks Device
Pendrev Motor
Hilden Motor
GMC Holding Motor
Cycclone Magnetic Motor
Lutec
100% Joe Cell
New Indians Gravity Water Device
Vandugegs Gravity Wheel

The list goes on. However I find many of the project builders here have used the above to inspire them further on and feel many will make breakthroughs in these areas.
Great advances are being made in other areas such as hydroxy etc etc.... these are repeatable experiments and deserve acolades.
Kind Regards
Mark

 

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2006, 04:09:47 AM »
There must be over 1000 posts in this section of the forum alone, over 200 posts on this Torbay motor alone, some convinced it works. What has culminated over time from all this discussion? Has anybody ever built a single working prototype of any of these proposed engine designs?

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Re: Statement Regarding the Torbay Motor
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2006, 05:10:00 AM »
if someone did this PLEASE post a video of the working unit with clear images, show the machine, and show that in the prototype there can't be a external power source. because by now I didn't see any of the claimed machines working. IMHO there is no working motor by now.. just thoughts like "I think it can work" or some obscure images and movies that shows us nothing. So please.. I beg if someone can prove any device POST A DECENT VIDEO!
Thanks
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Aarnold

 

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