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Author Topic: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower  (Read 210595 times)

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #225 on: September 24, 2012, 03:04:26 AM »
Hello .Vince . did you get the files?

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #226 on: September 24, 2012, 03:11:26 AM »
Hi Gadget

Yes I got the Email but when I try to go to the site My Norton program blocks me telling me that it is a Known Malicious site!
Not sure what to do!

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #227 on: September 24, 2012, 03:26:24 AM »
I Dropped Norton after using it 12 years for that very reason  I use Avast. Norton got to the point where is was more pesky than some Virus and really hogged my boot up time . .
Avast she talks to me every day to let me know she updated !
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #227 on: September 24, 2012, 03:26:24 AM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #228 on: September 24, 2012, 03:26:35 AM »
Not malicious - warning I'm very opinionated on some computer programs so you may not want to hear this but ....  Norton is the a pos - hacker's have been laughing at Norton for the last 20 years.  However I will say that the depostfile site has some less than family/work friendly popup images if you know what I mean.  But the other site wikisend is totally clean.  I run good antivirus and nothing is causing any hits from those 2 sites.  Been a computer tech/geek for over 30 years. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #229 on: September 24, 2012, 03:56:53 AM »
Thanks Guys !

Got the file now!

I'm not sure what to think though.  Nothing exotic or mysterious there. I see what he is doing and it's been tried many times before.  The secret ingredients are the motor and speed ratios.
You saw my test and there is no way my little motor is going to turn a big generator with a load on it. As it sits now he is increasing  the speed of the loaded motor at the last pulley of his reduction assembly to match the generator's required rpm.
He is in fact decreasing the available torque at the generator, and increasing speed.  I did just that and it does not work. If you decrease the size of the drive pulley you you can increase available torque at the generator but then you loose rpm and generating capability.  The one thing that remains a mystery is that liitle motor.  There is a large speed difference between a loaded motor and one that runs free. I'm sure that if his machine does what he says it will do he must have achieved the golden combination of speed reduction and motor run speed.

To make this thing work it comes down to exact speed ratios and motor nameplate data.

Vince

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #230 on: September 24, 2012, 04:18:48 AM »
Thanks Guys !

Got the file now!

I'm not sure what to think though.  Nothing exotic or mysterious there. I see what he is doing and it's been tried many times before.  The secret ingredients are the motor and speed ratios.
You saw my test and there is no way my little motor is going to turn a big generator with a load on it. As it sits now he is increasing  the speed of the loaded motor at the last pulley of his reduction assembly to match the generator's required rpm.
He is in fact decreasing the available torque at the generator, and increasing speed.  I did just that and it does not work. If you decrease the size of the drive pulley you you can increase available torque at the generator but then you loose rpm and generating capability.  The one thing that remains a mystery is that liitle motor.  There is a large speed difference between a loaded motor and one that runs free. I'm sure that if his machine does what he says it will do he must have achieved the golden combination of speed reduction and motor run speed.

To make this thing work it comes down to exact speed ratios and motor nameplate data.

Vince

Probably not a good idea to divulge info from the 'files' till approved, from 'now' on anyways. ;]

Lets say that the gen is not loaded at its output. Would the motor run the gen to its running speed? Or is is as bad as driving the fan blade that came with the motor?

MaGs

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #231 on: September 24, 2012, 04:34:58 AM »
@ Magluvin

Let's just say that is the trick question. With the pulley ratios as I have them the motor should turn to the design loaded rpm of about 1700 and the unloaded (motor) generator should turn at close to 6000rpm.  Clearly the motor can only achieve about 5/8 of the required rpm and thats at about 30 to 40 amps 12volts.  The unloaded motor generator is clearly imposing a larger load than the original fan.
To see if the motor can get to speed I will have to keep decreasing the motor pulley until I can get a proper balance. The fact that there is such a speed variation between a loaded and unloaded motor makes it impossible to predict how it will react to a smaller pulley. Then you throw a load into the mix that little guy just can't handle it.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #232 on: September 24, 2012, 04:39:26 AM »
I wish I had all the motor - generator things I've seen that apparently did work all in one place.   I'm fairly certain some do indeed work and as I mentioned earlier in this thread if you find the link I gave discussing the Peruvian motor/gen amplifier on energeticforum which was thoroughly analyzed with drawings and math by an engineer on the the message board right there you'll see one way this can be accomplished.  I've seen similar effects in a number of designs and they all involved what I call a sort of power surge resonance caused by some non-symmetrical (or asymmetrical) setup.  Note also UFOPolitics (member at EF) who is another brilliant motor designer and his following on his Asymmetrical motor thread.  I think it may all be related in that asymmetry factor.   

So vince don't give up yet - just a single pulley motor and generator is not the same as what Inventacom has.  We can't always extrapolate from one setup to another when there are big differences or even small differences.  Sometimes all it takes is one little detail to make a world of difference.   

I'm going to try to pull out of memory some of the various motor generators that were apparently overunity.  This is not counting the magnet based ones that rely on magnet power to spin a generator. 
1 - Chas Campbell multi-flywheel motor generator - seen in Patrick Kelly's Free Energy book
1 - Witts motor and generator - vids look good to go but it's never been explained
3 - Peter Sumaruck's motor gen  'ZeroAmp Technology'

Actually if you just look in Patrick Kelly's 2000 plus page PDF book you'll probably find quite a few more than I can pull from memory at the moment.  There are more I've seen but can't pull up the details at the moment.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #233 on: September 24, 2012, 05:03:41 AM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #234 on: September 24, 2012, 05:09:35 AM »
@e2matrix

Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not giving up! In fact I'm sure inventacom has this thing working.  I'm just sharing some of the information that I have from my quick tests.
Without giving away any of inventacoms information it"s hard to discuss details on the open forum.  Clearly there are details in his drive that I do not know yet but hopefully he can get in touch with us and give us more info.  The double reduction in his info is easy enough but the special gearbox is an unknown. Can't replicate it without more info.
My tests were just quick ones to see what that little motor could do and from what I seen it unusually strong for its size.

Vince

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #235 on: September 24, 2012, 05:16:34 AM »
I dont have any info except the first pix and the pulley diagram from Invent.

So, it is a gear UP or Down from the motor to the gen?

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #236 on: September 24, 2012, 05:21:01 AM »
I think everyone who's been looking at energy devices a while knows who Peter Lindemann is.  His Ad is right on a page here - the Perpetual Motion Reality.  He's got books and DVD's on energy devices and is one of the major players at EF.  He just started a message thread yesterday that is very related to this work.   It is titled "Mechanical devices with Energy Gain"  - see it here:
  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12346-mechanical-devices-energy-gain.html

It's another very good thread to take a look at regarding how Inventacom's device may work.   Also the first picture in that thread reminded me of another device I've seen but I can't recall the name of it.  It was to go into production but as of yet I haven't seen anything of it and I believe that's another case where the inventor was trying to patent it before getting it into production.  It had several motors (maybe 6 to 8? ) on a big wheel and each motor was powered and had IIRC some sort of pendelum that caused the whole thing to run in a way that seemed uneven but it did apparently generate extra power and would self run.   If anyone can recall what that was or who made that let me know. 


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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #237 on: September 24, 2012, 05:24:00 AM »
@e2matrix

Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not giving up! In fact I'm sure inventacom has this thing working.  I'm just sharing some of the information that I have from my quick tests.
Without giving away any of inventacoms information it"s hard to discuss details on the open forum.  Clearly there are details in his drive that I do not know yet but hopefully he can get in touch with us and give us more info.  The double reduction in his info is easy enough but the special gearbox is an unknown. Can't replicate it without more info.
My tests were just quick ones to see what that little motor could do and from what I seen it unusually strong for its size.

Vince
Yes this was just a first upload from Inventacom and I'm sure more will be on the way.  Lots of details yet that are not known. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #238 on: September 24, 2012, 08:24:11 AM »
Is that why you are called thecell ? no computer?
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@gadgetmall : I have 2 computers 1 internetradio 2 routers 1 switch and a 16000 dsl bandwith for private and a 2000 bandwith dsl for office.


Main thing : the download worked for me now.
The schematic is missing something?
Well I noticed the main ingredient. Not all components do the same.
One is doing the opposite of the others. The DC motor isn't pulsed?


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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #239 on: September 24, 2012, 10:56:57 AM »
quote from inventacom says "motor that has to be fed from initial batt start to being run from converter. There is a certain setup in controls to achieve this as well as recharging the batt. Once the battery reaches a full full charge capacity, the battery is cut off and the converter becomes the main dc power source. The converter is connected to the gen head.  When the gen head reaches the correct rpms, the converter is powered on which then recharges the batt and then takes over to run dc motor. The unit then runs in a circle from gen head to converter to dc motor that provides the needed rpms to gen head "

So the Gen head feeds converter/battery charger which feeds fan motor .

I see we need to know which fan motor it is .All the fan motors  i am seeing don't give rpm or amps. It looks massive like a house fan size in the pics from inventacom.
 I might just get this gen head on credit though because of the low rpms needed , been wanting one like this for a long time for ham station/house  backup . i got plenty of motors ..

I don't know if this horsepower to kilowatt conversion  chart is useful or not :
http://calculator-converter.com/converter_metric_horsepower_to_kilowatt_hp_to_kw_calculator.php

 

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