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Author Topic: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower  (Read 209829 times)

Offline vince

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #165 on: September 22, 2012, 10:04:45 PM »
I tried that same setup with the blower motor yesterday, both on a 50 amp alternator and another 90 volt DC  PM motor and was getting some good output.  The problem I'm having is how to feed that DC power back to the battery.  It seems that if you try and feed another load or another battery it's OK but when you try to feed the original battery it either slows everything down or fights the driver motor.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #166 on: September 22, 2012, 10:37:19 PM »
I tried that same setup with the blower motor yesterday, both on a 50 amp alternator and another 90 volt DC  PM motor and was getting some good output.  The problem I'm having is how to feed that DC power back to the battery.  It seems that if you try and feed another load or another battery it's OK but when you try to feed the original battery it either slows everything down or fights the driver motor.

Vince

isolate it maybe with large rectifiers or diodes in to an E-cap then one more diode to the battery.it is loading the generator so it's out put need to be regulated i think also . Replace to the battery only what you take to run . How that is accomplished is another matter.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 01:32:45 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #167 on: September 23, 2012, 12:48:11 AM »
Hello everyone .

I am asking anyone who is on  Team McGeorge to send a copy of the email request you sent to inventacom to be on  Inventacom's TEAM with the TIMESTAMP of that email to a TEAM LEADER VIA EMAIL so you can be verified  as a team member to be eligible for future downloads .



This is for his protection of a patentable invention he has created and wishes to share it with a few who are willing to help with any improvements if possible. In return we gain his knowledge for our private use .

In your copy of the request you sent him WITH THE TIMESTAMP that you are sending me or E2matrix please In addition write I Agree  not to share Inventacom's McGeorge generator (Media,Drawings,Schematics) on the public domain. also include your Ou user name.
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You are then Binded to that agreement .

It is requested that this property(MEDIA,DRAWINGS,SCHEMATICS) we receive is not to be OPEN SOURCE . You may represent you own replication if so desired but none of his future media is to be posted public as to be on the WWW or in this board without his expressed permission  . you must agree to not share it to non team members.


If you are not a team member you may do so by sending your request to inventacom at embarqmail dot com
with Team McGeorge in the subject line requesting your intentions .

If you do not want to be on the team then you will Not have access to this information from him or a team member.


Please send your copys to gadgetmall@earthlink.net  with the subject line "Team McGeorge verification''    . They will be sent to inventacom to verify you are a team member .

Also the other TEAM LEADERS are E2matrix and  one other who has not confirmed yet.

Thank you for your participation and I hope that we all can at least learn from his machine and help improve it if possible . 

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 06:54:11 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #167 on: September 23, 2012, 12:48:11 AM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #168 on: September 23, 2012, 12:53:00 AM »
So by agreeing to be on the team, are we also agreeing that we must replicate? What if we agree then are unable to afford the replication? I mean he could be using some rare element that costs a fortune to build, or something that is our of our means? I agree never to share the info, but if it is out of my budget to replicate then it wouldn't be fair.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #169 on: September 23, 2012, 12:54:32 AM »
Hi Vince,

Yes, isolation is needed, along with some means of regulation.  I assume the the output voltage from either the alternator or the DC motors is galvanically inherently separated from the driver motor's input voltage because of the belt drive, right?  But beyond that, some kind of matching i.e. bringing the two voltage levels somehow near to each other is also needed, ideally this is a DC/DC converter.  MAybe a PC power supply could serve up to a certain power level: its input could receive your 80-90V DC (no problem that it is normally fed by AC) and its 12V output may be useful for the driver motor.  Also, an inverter could also be used, perhaps with some modification if it seems worth doing  it due to some 'promising' result.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #169 on: September 23, 2012, 12:54:32 AM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #170 on: September 23, 2012, 01:00:00 AM »
@Drak you do not have to replicate as some do not have the resource or money .You are agreeing that you will not share this information and you will attempt to help the team project .I don't know you but i do know most all the team members/ou members and their intentions and qualifications and Status Quo. I know you have been a member since 2006

What is your Specialties ? If you have nothing to contribute then there is no real need to be on  a team is there ?
He did ask all team members to post a description of any skills the team has .

I know all of the board wants to get in on this and there is a lot better qualified members than me also But i do have things to contribute that i think can help .
In the future we will sort all this out but now his request will be honored because he IS sharing it whatever IT is :)

We as team member can determine if it can be replicated and if so is it worth it . 

thanks

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #171 on: September 23, 2012, 01:48:19 AM »
I am getting worst on my typing so i corrected my email address in the previous post after i reread it . I am Ill so please bare with me if i type wrong . 


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gadgetmall@earthlink.net  please use the phrase Team McGeorge verification in the subject line so it can be routed to another email i have . Please don't forget your Ou user name also in that email . some of you i filled it in because i know you .

@E2matrix should have an email setup sometime this weekend.

Yes it is Extreme measures for me and e2matrix and the team members . I can tell you i would not be doing this if i did not think there was something more to his devices .
Either way it turns out i myself have committed to follow through and keep my word .If it is real or a pipe dream i know i at least did the best i can do. I do not at this point have any reasons to believe he is fake so i will help .

that is all for now

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« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 06:52:22 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #171 on: September 23, 2012, 01:48:19 AM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #172 on: September 23, 2012, 07:09:44 PM »
Hello to all that made it on the team. A special thank you to our team leaders for an outstanding job.

Sorry to have been away from the board lately. Running a business is a very demanding job and upon entering this board, I had nothing prepared to show. Everything that has been done to build this unit and make it work was all done mainly on a note pad written by hand as well as the drawings while working on it.

I am currently working on getting everything onto computer to share with our team. I have sent few more files to our team leaders but they are complete. I tried breaking things into understandable parts first. I am now working on an entire parts list as well as a schematic to the entire system. I have not yet showed the circuitry, capacitors, and additional switches, etc. that is needed for everything to run in sequence. I am open to questions right now. The video showing this device is on the way. I am awaiting a device to arrive that will convert my VHS video to digital for computer. You can then see it working. Thanks for the patients. I am an old fashioned computer/electronics illiterate.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #173 on: September 23, 2012, 07:14:34 PM »
Sorry all. After reviewing files i sent, i noticed I had sent the wrong drawing relating to swith entiled: new-hook-up.jpeg. Please disregard this file. It needs corrections. It's not complete.  I will send the leaders the correct file.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #173 on: September 23, 2012, 07:14:34 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #174 on: September 23, 2012, 07:23:24 PM »
Hopefully I will be accepted as a team member; and yes I want to replicate this motor generator. I have sent both emails.
I will offer help to members of the team that will fit in the skills of an electrician.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #175 on: September 23, 2012, 07:36:05 PM »
To be a team member requires team members to participate and contribute in some way.  As far as the parts for this unit, I have approximately $500 in the whole unit. This is because of the custom pulleys and gen head mostly.  Although, its cost me $500 I saved that in first 3 months of running it. Once you recoup the price of gen vs elect bills, the unit becomes a profitable devices. A major return on your investment. Now, I started with a 5500 watt but these gen heads come in much higher watts. Additional modification is needed I'm sure the larger head you use. I'm experimenting with a larger one now.

Everyone says the system looks to simple to work. Simple is all I do and if the combination of the right componets are set up correctly, then simple works fine.  The reason for my decision to share what I have done is because it is simple to me and with the help of the expertise we have on this team, we can make this into something even simpler and more efficient and durable. Like I stated before. I go to junk yards, auto salvage, yard sales, etc to find what I need either free or dirt cheap. The most expensive thing I purchased was the gen head because I got it brand new years ago. I'm sure a quality used one would do just as good for a fraction of the cost.

If you want to be a team member but you have no skills, nothing to offer the team and you're not going to try and replicate. Then I don't see your purpose for being on the team. 


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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #176 on: September 23, 2012, 07:53:19 PM »
Thank you Inventacom !

To all those who are being verified please allow me a bit of time to send you your Vericications and Files as they are sent to be .
 I am working as fast as i can :) I have to tag you verified in my program with a list i got from Inventacom and i am not that fast so please Stand BY .


@E2matrix can you  email me Please. i need a bit of help in sorting and distributing to Team

 Also anyone in the list that can do renderings can you email me .

I have not even had time to look at any files or encrypt them but i feel Inventacom may need you at this time .

At this time i am sending verification emails ..
Thank you guys and gals .

Gadget

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #177 on: September 23, 2012, 08:16:23 PM »
Email and PM sent.  Also a question via email to Inventacom.  I'm here and ready to help. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #178 on: September 23, 2012, 08:20:07 PM »
Hi Guys;

I was really skeptical about that little 12 volt blower motor being able to turn that generator so I did a little testing.
I have a Nissan Micra blower motor which is 12 volts and 160 watts according to the nameplate. I know inventacom has a bigger motor but I still think this should give a close representation.

I hooked it up to 3 different loads to see if it could cut it.

Here's my results.

!/2 hp induction motor 120 volts, about 1 to 1 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor would get to 1700 rpm and with capacitors I was able to get about 4 volts ac
Blower motor gets hot.

2 HP, 220volt Baldor motor, about 1 to 2  ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor could not get above 100 rpm and with capacitors would not produce power because it was no where near required speed
Blower motor gets really hot and struggles

2HP @120  DC PM motor, 14 amps @ 6000 rpm,approx 1 to 1 ratio  using dishwasher belt.
Motor would easily spin over 4000 rpm and produced about 36 volts DC

In all cases the blower motor was powered by a battery charger set on 60 amp 12volt boost circuit. It almost always drew about 40 amps.

I just can't see that little motor turning that generator to the right rpm as it looks.

Vince

My first attempt was only the dc motor and gen head

Belt Length 29~1/16"
RPM Small 4200 - Gen head
RPM Large 1400 - DC motor
Belt Speed 2199.1 ft/min

For the two, it ran it perfectly and it will also produce power as I powered lights and other small things. With just this setup. I found out that the more load I added the more difficult it was to keep everything working. You can not do this with just any dc motor. I went through many before settling with the DC motor I have. The RPMs around 2200 and very strong torque. So I decided to take the load off the DC motor by adding a custom gear box (Sort of transmission if you may) adding a pulley to each side and instead of going direct from dc motor to gen head, I found that adding the gear box was a major issue fix. My goal was to perfect the torque to speed ratio and vice versa. With this gear box I was also able to reduce the stress from the dc motor by lowering it's rpm output and reserve what rpms were left so I could use it when the gen head required it. 

I recommend everyone who is going to try and replicate this to use the dc motors that are used to keep your radiators cool automatically. They are built in ways most others motors aren't I went through many different motors before deciding on this dc motor. It's continuous run, casing is ventilated, nice rpms, strong torque, etc. You can get a dual set at junkyard for around 20 bux. I did. I used 1 and have a spare.  But there is more to this unit then just motors. I am getting things together for the team leaders to share right now. Selection of belts and pulleys are also crucial. Mine have been custom made for this unit

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #179 on: September 23, 2012, 08:40:45 PM »
At this time I'm going to ask that those on the team as mentioned above by gadgetmall send email to this address which I will be using for all communication from now on for anything related to Inventacom's device and discussion here.  Inventacom and gadgetmall please also use this email from now on (although I'll still check the other one to make sure I don't miss anything).   This is the email to use (note I think everyone understands what the email really is and that it is written out this way to prevent SPAM bots from flooding the address - if you don't understand send a PM)   :  oumot22  at gmail  dot  com

NOTE: for clarification all the verifications have to come from Inventacom.  He is sending them to gadgetmall who is sending them to me at this time and I'm sending out email with the file links and password.  So do not send email to me for verification as that needs to go to Inventacom first. 
« Last Edit: September 23, 2012, 10:45:52 PM by e2matrix »

 

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