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Author Topic: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower  (Read 207899 times)

Offline CuriousChris

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #360 on: October 11, 2012, 01:27:03 PM »
Here's another case of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics going down the toilet:
Ash started a thread here on this but I mention it here because it's another situation where an electric motor is running a generator that becomes self powered once it's started and puts out huge excesses of power.  They already have prices up for the larger units.  I truly hope this is real as they say it can be used in cars as well as for home power.   They have prices on 1.5 Megawatt units and up and those prices are apparently a lot less than what it would cost in solar, wind, coal, nuclear etc. 
 http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/index.php
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http://www.cogarinternationalenergy.com/prototype-demonstration.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7dwcM83Do&feature=related

Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.

Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)

But he is not shy of asking for money.

Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.


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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #361 on: October 11, 2012, 01:31:56 PM »


Yes, the battery effect! A real effect, indeed.
I do not dispute it.

But, when no battery is involved or when the bat. is just used to
start the system. What about the battery effect?

Thanks to E2matrix for pointing out this "Cogar" engine.
It should work in accordance with the battery effect... :P




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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #362 on: October 11, 2012, 02:27:56 PM »
Hi People,

Another (claimed) self sustaining device.

UK Patent Application GB 2489759. Publication Date 10 10 2012.  Yesterday!
It uses batteries. :'(
See attached file.

BTW, If you are interested in 'OU' patents, just goto:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP

And fill the last line "International Patent Classification (IPC) with
H02K53 (Zero 2 K).
See attached picture.

Very Best,
Jean

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #362 on: October 11, 2012, 02:27:56 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #363 on: October 11, 2012, 02:31:06 PM »

Yes, the battery effect! A real effect, indeed.
I do not dispute it.

But, when no battery is involved or when the bat. is just used to
start the system. What about the battery effect?

Thanks to E2matrix for pointing out this "Cogar" engine.
It should work in accordance with the battery effect... :P
You mean like my car? I need the battery to start the car, certainly. But.... once the car is running I can remove the battery, it's no longer necessary as long as the rest of the electrical system is working properly.
Not so, with battery-powered overunity devices. Remove the battery and they quickly stop running.... even the ones that run on "zero volts".
Of course, I do have a circuit that runs on capacitors alone and produces negative average power...... but it still runs down and stops. Because..... there is no battery !!

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #364 on: October 11, 2012, 07:04:35 PM »
Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.

Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)

But he is not shy of asking for money.

Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.

I don't know for sure this is real or fake but IMO why the heck would people waste that much time and money to build something that big and invite the media (did you see the vid with all the media there?) if it's all fake.  Afterall the unit claims clearly that once it is running you pull the plug from external power and it will self run.  It will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work.  And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam?   They would have to be nuts to scam people with this.  The only reason I can think of they would be scamming is to drive down oil prices and energy prices if investors get wind of this and believe oil will soon be a thing of the past.  But even that would be a very temporary thing. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #364 on: October 11, 2012, 07:04:35 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #365 on: October 11, 2012, 07:39:51 PM »
You mean like my car? I need the battery to start the car, certainly.
But.... once the car is running I can remove the battery, it's no longer necessary
as long as the rest of the electrical system is working properly.

Yes, dear alkalin_toes/killas_atone (some suggestions) , that is what I meant.

Now, about "battery-powered overunity devices", I dunno,  but I respect experiments.

Very Best,
Jean

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #366 on: October 11, 2012, 08:25:14 PM »

Hi Blokes,

I do agree with the E2matrix's last post.

Decidedly, there is lot of individuals that are willing to waste? spend?  money/time in patenting
strange same (impossible?) things.
 
After a quick search (took me about one hour) in the Espacenet worldwide Patents database.
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP
With:
2 Keys words "motor and generator" in the "Title or abstract" line
And "H02K53" in the IPC line
I got 10 more patents of the same ilk.
I was not interested in Chinese ones.

In my huge generosity ( :P ), I have put these patents (and the GyulaSun suggested ones) here:
http://www.freenrg.info/Patents/SELF_SUST_MOTOR_GEN_SYST/

Do not bother to read (and sometime to translate) the texts, just look at the figures...
All these guys are just patenting the same (useless?) bl' devices.

You know what? I'm stupid enough to thing about trying some experiments

Very Best from Brest and gwella soñjou a-berz Jean




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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #366 on: October 11, 2012, 08:25:14 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #367 on: October 11, 2012, 09:28:25 PM »
There is more than a passing similarity to this device that semenihin-77 posted on the Kapanadze thread:

http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg335303/#msg335303

I haven't got very far with my investigations unfortunately. I don't even know who the inventor is and semenihin-77 hasn't answered my PMs about the device. He must know something though as although there is another copy of the video on YouTube, I haven't been able to find the photos he included in his post. I've been running some basic tests with the Outwell Storm air pump http://www.outwell.com/en/Products/Accessories/Pumps/StormPump12V.aspx. I suppose I should really have bought the Intex one shown in the video but the Storm generates 750L/min air flow which I hoped would increase the chances of replication. I've not managed to find a suitable turbine as yet but I suspect something along the lines of the turbine in the Dyson vacuum cleaner heads might work:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dyson+turbine+head+turbo+brush&FORM=HDRSC2#x0y0

Any thoughts as to something more suited to the task?

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #368 on: October 11, 2012, 10:46:36 PM »
 
It will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work.  And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam?
Kapanadze example: investors with money somehow can't find means, paying thousands for mere demos. 
...The company has no intention of going public or being traded on any stock exchange. 2. Any individual or institutional investor interested in providing funding for the business growth of the company will be an annual return of 25% (Twenty Five Percent) interest on Principal for a period of 10 years. This amount will be payable quarterly beginning from the third year of funding being provided.
Payable beginning from the third year of funding?? Enough time to establish pretty good Ponzi Scheme. Potential buyers will see only excuses.
 
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US Patent Application for this:  www.google.com/patents/US20110048008.pdf
 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #369 on: October 12, 2012, 01:33:06 AM »
Turbines work on pressure differential. if you take the output from the turbine and feed it back into the input you reduce the pressure differential thereby making the turbine far less efficient.

Notice how his 'how it works' page doesn't describe how it works!
His 'Hydro-Electric Reactor Test Analysis' contains no analysis (and no supporting data)

But he is not shy of asking for money.

Move along people just another in a very long list of energy scams. it seems more are appearing every day.

Yes of cause, but this thing may be different, like EVGRAY they only give so much detail out, if you watch all their videos (in the press one they ask them to explain scientifically) they talk about COMPRESSION of air, that's a s much as they will disclose, Hidro did the same,(you have ton sign an NDA, but they still OFFER  the details , so they are not hiding per se)  they will always hide details its a fact, unless you sign an NDA it will be with FE till the end days, until we open source a unit

also they offer to refund your money  and state if it doesnt perform you get a refund, they do put a 5 K offer up, i think to stop people who cannot afford it wasting their time.

Ash

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #370 on: October 12, 2012, 06:07:53 AM »
ashtweth_nihilisti, if you have no objections, be so kind and do something nice for this forum: take your $100.000 and pay them, then report results here. I'm not going to do this coz I smell it a SCAM

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #371 on: October 12, 2012, 02:34:09 PM »
Wow cant believe it's still going.

Offline CuriousChris

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #372 on: October 13, 2012, 06:41:17 AM »
I don't know for sure this is real or fake but IMO why the heck would people waste that much time and money to build something that big and invite the media (did you see the vid with all the media there?) if it's all fake.  Afterall the unit claims clearly that once it is running you pull the plug from external power and it will self run.  It will be painfully obvious from the first unit sold if it does not work.  And do you think that anyone with over a million dollars to spend on the current offering wouldn't have the means to go after people selling a total scam?   They would have to be nuts to scam people with this.  The only reason I can think of they would be scamming is to drive down oil prices and energy prices if investors get wind of this and believe oil will soon be a thing of the past.  But even that would be a very temporary thing.

This is exactly how scammers operate. show a fancy looking device. Get some people who don't work in the field to look at it and say wow this is great, get some certifications that says yes this device does something. Apply for a patent (patents don't prove something works).

Then ask for money.

Never quite deliver. There is always something more to do. They rely on people giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Steorn is absolute proof of this. Spent millions of other peoples money and never delivered. People still believe in him, Why? because people believe what they want to believe

How about Papp and his fake Plasma engine. He admitted to Bob Rhoner (who is still trying to sell plasma engines by the way) that he had no intention of 'developing' the plasma engine while the living's so good. If he had the real thing, his millions he took from investors would have paled into insignificance next to the fame and fortune he would have got.

People are always willing to give the benefit of the doubt, just as in this case. Those with money will often 'take the risk' in case the payoff is good. For the scammer the payoff is always good. They rarely ever get taken to court and there excuse is always the same. "It was a risk and the investor knew it". "sorry it just didnt work!". Yet they pay themselves handsomely along the way.

And before you know it they are out with another scam.

Rossi is another example of this. two failed 'inventions', millions of dollars. Time in jail. Yet he is at it again. He has gone from ecat to megawatt ecat to hot cat, now to megawatt hot cat, never showing a real working device and people are still throwing money at him.



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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #373 on: October 13, 2012, 07:09:51 AM »
And what about Mister Wayne and his Brayne... er, Zed I mean? Is the jury still out on that one.... or not? 
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #374 on: October 13, 2012, 04:40:31 PM »
Magluvin said:    Not to get all conspiracy story, but it reminded me of the family that went to the Gulf for vacation and the father got very ill and
the doctors found that he had oil products and Corexit, the chemical that they used to disperse the oil and made it sink, not disappear, and he filed a law suit.
Since then of his 4 dogs, the one that survived was stabbed, his house was broken into an ransacked, a truck crashed into the side of his vehicle.....
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