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Author Topic: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower  (Read 202384 times)

Offline vince

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #150 on: September 21, 2012, 09:07:11 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #151 on: September 21, 2012, 09:13:21 PM »
Vince,  Thanks for the tests!  Great job on getting some numbers.  That is what I think most of us would expect with a standard setup.  However inventacom did say he had a custom pulley.  So we don't know at this point what that means.  It could have a pendelum on it or something very unusual for all we know.   But I agree a standard setup between a little fan motor and a big generator just doesn't make sense there could be overunity without something special in the mix. 

Some other far fetched speculation :  inventacom got hold of some fan motor that was slipped through that is actually an overunity motor in itself with special wiring or circuitry in it.   A rogue car engineer knew how the high current draw could run down car batteries and decided to slip this in the production line.    Well I can dream can't I ?   :)

In thinking about that particular type of motor and a car I had years ago with an electric radiator fan I do recall it running after the engine was turned off sometimes.  I even put a manual switch on it so I could shut it off to keep from running down an already marginal battery.   My reason for bringing this up is I would assume these particular motors would need to be designed with very high efficiency for that reason.  I know some cars have 2 of those motors behind the radiator.  Sounds like a good motor choice for some experiments (like UFOPolitics Asymmetrical motor rewind).   

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #152 on: September 21, 2012, 09:50:28 PM »
Hello Guys and Gals . I just received an Email from inventacom ..
He will be showing a set up running
 Here is the problem . He was not prepared to even show the device to begin with .
he is working with a VHS camcorder and had to get a kit to transfer it to a computer then convert . The computer is not his friend and the following quote is for all of us " I know by showing the machine working in
the video, the doubters will turn to believers and we can move things
forward"

Ok He is in the field working and will send the team leaders what he has so far when he gets home later .. to be shown are drawings some specs and a video . It looks Like movie night soon ! Stay Tuned for another exciting Adventure In Team Mcgeorge and His Generator !

I had sent him an email earlier explaining the situation . I guess i was again persuaded to be a bit more critical. There is a working machine he is going to show soon . Due to his work and the amount of trouble he states that things have to slow down . he does have a family and kids also and has stated he is just a simple old fashion person .

I thank him for doing his best as we all would like instant gratification but that is not going to happen .

So with that anyone that has joined the team by sending him an email consider yourself part of the team if it did not bounce.

i await like you guys .


that is all for now .

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« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 05:08:31 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #153 on: September 21, 2012, 10:12:41 PM »
Thanks for sharing Gadged...

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #154 on: September 21, 2012, 10:13:22 PM »
Thanks for the update gadget.  I was just shutting down the computer here and won't be back till later this evening so I won't be able to pass info on if it gets sent out until later tonight.  I haven't yet set up an autoresponder but will later tonight or tomorrow.   Good news that we are getting more soon! 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #155 on: September 21, 2012, 10:42:17 PM »
The pulleys & Belts


I do some sailing, and when there is a lot of wind, it can be hard to handle the sails by hand.
One of the things we use is a "block of pulleys" (Not sure how it is called in English)


With this block, you gain a lot of power. 
Normally you trade something for power, speed or distance etc.


But with this pulley setup i'm not sure, because you pull the rope in and thus a shortening the rope , moving the sail the same distance.


Why do I tell this.. This means you can "strengthen'"  the input motor, by using the right pully setup.


I attache a picture of the thing mentioned:
Now imagine the input engine pulling at rope nr 6 and the generator giving load at rope 1 ,  1 and 6 are linked at the "inactive side"



Secondly I also think that why most of this kind of inventions use an "indirect" connection like magnets, or belts etc. instead of direct drive is to give the system some space and momentum.
I kind of mechanical capacitor combined  with some unbalance due to the non stable connection to create the famous "NASA slingshot".


I hope I make some sense ;-)

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #156 on: September 21, 2012, 11:50:03 PM »
E2Matrix,  BRILLIANT Post about how powerful & efficient radiator fan MOTORS can be.  I too have experienced that.
The electric fan Motor in my car is so powerful it could slice some fingers right off a hand.
 
I just did an Ebay search on them & some are rated in CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute), & some are rated in Watts.
Maybe when the time comes we should consider a radiator fan MOTOR for this experiment (minus the fan blade, of course).
It seems like it would be much more powerful & efficient than a car heater blower motor.

Click on this Link to see more:
 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=12V+radiator+fan&_sacat=0&_odkw=12+radiator+fan&_sop=15&_osacat=0
 
2nd photo is with the fan blades off.
 
 
« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 12:56:21 AM by FatBird »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #157 on: September 22, 2012, 03:25:40 AM »
Thanks to all the input and test everyone to start this Discussion .

Thanks Brad for that patent you posted for me .


I looked up all the parts we see in his cabinet and the cost from ebay is less than 600 dollars for the gen head ,converter ,fan motor and fuse buss and meters and switches. It can be a slight investment but if it can run a house which should not  take more than 6000 watts at any given time it is a good investment .With a timer on a water heater i do save over a 1000 dollars a year . and unplugging unnecessary devices not being used is also a good saver of watts . Unplugging just a microwave oven clock saves me 26watts and the little chargers are vampires taking 9 -11 watts when not used Also newer led and clf are a must for watt savings . a Power saving phase capacitor can help save watts by storing start power for refrigerator and heat pumps. when you are poor you invest a little and get a lot back .


We are on Standby Still So hang in there ........................................................................................

Here is the stargate demo showing you can increase the power of a motor and decrease the current used. this also may be part of his setup as this can be added to any dc motor with magnets . Or this might even be an idea to Improve your Design Inventacom.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0c0VlMe74

Another suggestion would be to not feed the dc motor with pure Dc But through a converting  PWM circuit to reduce current  flow and control speed .
« Last Edit: September 22, 2012, 05:43:16 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #158 on: September 22, 2012, 06:19:48 AM »
Thanks Fatbird - just observations that may be of value here.  Thanks for the eBay link.

Good thought gadget on the stargate info.  The guy who did all that is selling kits now and I believe he is really onto some good things.  He's very articulate in his presentations too and obviously very knowledgeable.  I think the stargate concept can probably help any motor of that type be more efficient.   I got your PM's.  Maybe at the start at least we'll just handle it without the autoresponder.  I guess we will need a list from Inventacom as far as who is on?   I'm still a little unclear on how we need to handle that part of it.  I thought anyone who has been on this thread would be on the team so to speak but Inventacom needs to limit it some way he will need to let us know.   My thoughts are that anyone who was signed up on this forum before this message thread started should be good to go (with the possible exception of some serious troll types).  Everyone's registration date can be checked just by looking at their profile.  But again it's all up to the boss ...

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #159 on: September 22, 2012, 06:39:26 PM »
Thanks to some info gadgetmall passed on to me I believe we will be waiting on Inventacom to get one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Easycap-USB-2-0-Audio-Video-VHS-to-DVD-Converter-Capture-Card-Adapter-/320975956888?forcev4exp=true&forceRpt=true   so he can transfer his VHS video to his computer.  These are only around $10 with shipping of eBay .   I've sent Inventacom email about this and how it works.  So unless he buys one local (I'd bet Radio Shack has something like this but expect to pay big bucks - probably $50 or more) we may have a week or so to see the video but hopefully he can get the other info diagrams etc. before that.   
   Hehe. ...  I nailed that right I just checked Radio Shack and they have them for $49.99 plus tax ;)

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #160 on: September 22, 2012, 07:03:07 PM »
Hi E2Matrix,

Thanks for the props.  ;) I know there are a lot of good builders here so who ever Inventacom chooses will be good.

Hi Vince,

Thanks for sharing.

I think the secret sauce to Inventacom's device is the "additional attachments" or "specially machined part".

Hi Fatbird,

Electric snow thrower motors are also good. Made for high torque, high speed and able to throw heavy wet snow up to 30ft. 15amp models can throw up to 700lbs of snow per minute (11 lbs/sec).

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #161 on: September 22, 2012, 07:16:32 PM »
Hi E2Matrix,

Thanks for the props.  ;) I know there are a lot of good builders here so who ever Inventacom chooses will be good.

Hi Vince,

Thanks for sharing.

I think the secret sauce to Inventacom's device is the "additional attachments" or "specially machined part".

Hi Fatbird,

Electric snow thrower motors are also good. Made for high torque, high speed and able to throw heavy wet snow up to 30ft. 15amp models can throw up to 700lbs of snow per minute (11 lbs/sec).

I agree that is probably where the 'magic' is in this device - pulley or custom part he mentioned.

I'm totally unfamiliar with snow throwers.  Do they run off DC or 12 volts range?  They sound very powerful but a quick scan on eBay left the impression they are 120 volt AC powered or gas powered.  For this setup like Inventacom has I think we need a 12 volt DC or something close to that rather than 120 volt AC motor.  Like I say I don't know anything about snow throwers other than what I saw in a quick look on eBay but if they have 12 volt or even 24 volt DC that might be a good choice too. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #162 on: September 22, 2012, 07:30:14 PM »
While we are waiting for more info to arrive some may want to take a look at this information on EF.  I'd start at this page (4) and then maybe go back to the first page.  I mention page 4 is a good start point because you can quickly see the in depth level of analysis that has been done by an engineer on the design and how it is multiplying force.   Here :
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11282-awarded-machine-multiply-force-motor-free-energy-4.html

I believe for Inventacom's device to work it may involve something similar to this.  Still speculation at this point but it seems the most likely way I can think of. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #163 on: September 22, 2012, 08:13:20 PM »
Hi E2matrix,

The snow thrower motors are AC. I ran through an inverter from the battery being charged by the alternator. :)

The picture here is a Toro snow shovel motor, not snow thrower motor but they are designed similarly.

The other picture is my mobile motor/gen testing shelf. It is partially disassembled in the picture, I had a different motor mounted on it before. I use it to quickly pop motors/gens on and off to test. The snow shovel motor consume 720watts when running a 60amp Delco alternator charging a battery. No pulley ratio change but I cracked it by dropping it so I need to get a new pulley that fits.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #164 on: September 22, 2012, 08:49:48 PM »
I think I understand the setup you were using.  Did you see anything interesting with that setup?   I know many years ago I saw a free energy device being sold on eBay.  It apparently had several alternators in it (5 I think), a motor to drive them and a battery.  It claimed to be free energy.  I contacted the person who bought it and asked him if it was working.  He said it seemed to be working as claimed so far.  I lost track of that person's contact and never was able to get any more info about it. 

 

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