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Author Topic: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower  (Read 192210 times)

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2012, 02:23:28 PM »
Vortext1 . Hi  A password to What? If you downloaded a file that need a password where did you get it and what is the name of it .the only file i am aware of is the one E2matrix shared with Inventcaom's permission. It has a password posted and there is no other files to share that i am aware of.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2012, 02:26:37 PM »
Vortext1 . Hi  A password to What?

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The password protected picture files I priorly downloaded. 66mb.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2012, 02:30:47 PM »
Vortex1 . What File is it and where did you get it ?  Give the NAME of it . As i said there is one file posted only that i am aware of  and it has a posted password .

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2012, 02:30:47 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #138 on: September 21, 2012, 02:42:22 PM »
I think that the only topic discussed here should be about the replication of the machine built by inventacom[/color].
No room for nothing else.


Maybe a new thread should be started. No trolls allowed.
@bugle thanks  for the  comment . There is nothing to discuss Yet ! it is a box full of common parts(i think) .unless you see something we don't please by all means speak up .
Anyone feel free to talk about anything you like.
This topic is stale but he did not want to show it to begin with .

Either Wait or leave is how i stand .

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« Last Edit: September 21, 2012, 10:42:18 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2012, 02:49:03 PM »
Vortex1 . What File is it and where did you get it ?  Give the NAME of it . As i said there is one file posted only that i am aware of  and it has a posted password .

gadget

the file is ivc4ou.zip 66mb and is password protected. I will try to go back and find the posted password.

other file downloaded is mcgeorge_generator.zip, 7.9 mb will not open, even with 7zip, says it is not an archive file. (from reply #32)

both were from earlier  links posted to this thread.

Edit: OK looks like I only got a partial on the mcgeorge_generator.zip file, am attempting another download.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #139 on: September 21, 2012, 02:49:03 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #140 on: September 21, 2012, 02:56:06 PM »
Oh that file . yes the password link is page back reposted . I cannot say what that password is but it is posted open source a page ago by Goat
yes the original file mcgeorge_generator zip is on a crappy server and crashed for most of us. ivc4ou is a repost of that file

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #141 on: September 21, 2012, 03:04:13 PM »
Ok got it and opened. Thanks for pointing me to the password. I read the whole thread at different intervals but somehow missed the PW.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #142 on: September 21, 2012, 03:10:01 PM »
I get it Vortex1 .I am  Glad you see what we see . A box full of common parts .
No further info is available and that file is  there for all to see with  the password .
I excpect it will be deleted soon as Inventacom wants full control of his property right now .

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2012, 03:24:23 PM »
I have serious doubts that fan motor could drive the gen with a belt even if the gen had no load, the belt losses alone would be severe for a motor designed for direct drive to a fan.

The pulley on the gen looks like it is for a type 3L or 4L belt, and these alone are a significant frictional load for that type motor.

In short, it would probably overheat the motor and burn out in time.

We should ask that this critical obstacle be explained at a minimum.

time will tell all I guess...patience.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #143 on: September 21, 2012, 03:24:23 PM »
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« Reply #144 on: September 21, 2012, 03:44:57 PM »
Just some ideas while we await more information on this project.  On other threads and other forums, there has been talk lately of the use of flywheels, or torque converters possibly enhancing the power of smaller motors driving larger loads.
 
From @inventacom, “The pulley's on both the gen head and 12v dc motor have been custom machined to make these work.”
And
“You are probably refering to the load resistance of the gen head vs dc motor output?  That has been worked out. I did run into that problem so yes modifications had to be made to make it work.”

I only mention this to get some talking points started while we await more information.  As, several have said that the images contain fairly generic parts, I think we have not yet been privy to the magic.  Looking at the placement of the components, there does not appear to be a lot of space for a monster pulley / flywheel / torque converter system.
 
@gadgetmall,  The water pump generator system you posted does have a US patent.  I remember coming across that a while back and I also seem to think that the inventor mentioned that a friend had done something to the generator head.  If you would like the patent, let me know and I can look for it.
 
Until further notice,
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2012, 04:05:35 PM »
that would be great Brad . I don't have a  clue as to even start  looking for the patent without a named device .

I really would like to see that.  Also that BIG 45kw generator video  looks feasible to run it self and would be a worthy project if one had the money and or resource .  . A twist of the shaft runs a side grinder. 750 rpm puts out 45KW . wow these are real and for sale  . example here's one 1300KW @ 750 rpm . Cost a fortune .4094363.0000 US dollars http://www.ebay.pl/itm/Wind-Water-Magnet-Generator-1300kw-1-3MW-750rpm-/280966169403?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item416ae3833b


As we see there is no free energy there :) But hey if your a billion air it's pocket change to have your very own self running power station.
Something that big could kill you with the juice it produced with one twist on the shaft.
thanks Brad  .

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #145 on: September 21, 2012, 04:05:35 PM »
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #146 on: September 21, 2012, 04:58:48 PM »
that would be great Brad . I don't have a  clue as to even start  looking for the patent without a named device .


Here you go -
This is also featured in Patrick J. Kelly "Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices"  Chapter 2
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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #147 on: September 21, 2012, 05:42:22 PM »
Oh Yes, the Jim Hardy waterwheel....whatever happened with that? no replicators? 2007 patent app still not granted, AFAIK. (as far as I know) no pun intended.

Regarding the use of flywheels....they only add instantaneous peak power reserve to a system, and act like supercapacitors that supplement batteries in an electric dragster.

All of the systems I have seen using flywheels and lots of belts and pulleys only seem to obscure the truth.

If a flywheel gave you something for free, you could just run one directly from the shaft a PM DC motor (which is also a generator) and eliminate all the obfuscation.

Torque converters and transmissions are the equivalent analog to electrical transformers,
torque vs. speed........current vs voltage. No power gains in these. Yet.....

Still we hope and do research.

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #148 on: September 21, 2012, 07:13:08 PM »
From what I have picked up Inventacom does have a job and if he is stilll doing handyman work as he mentioned he may be busy between that and getting the info to his computer I'm still going to assume it's just life as usual - things always taking longer to get done than one expects.  For us on the waiting side it seems like forever.  But I would expect to hear from him by Saturday or Sunday at the latest.  If not then we may consider whether we want to think we've been scammed or whether the MIB's got him ;)
It does seem there have been more motor related inventors get trouble in some way or another than other types of inventions. 

As far as how I think this may work here are some thoughts.  There are several devices including the blind Peruvian inventor whose device has gotten a lot of attention.  A very good engineer on energeticforum has thoroughly analyzed how this unit is getting extra energy.  Some of the sharpest people over there are looking at it and seem to be in agreement that indeed it can get extra energy coming into the system.  I believe (I haven't studied the message thread well) that it is a combination of well timed gravity and inertial forces.  We've seen this before in some other systems which use fairly large or heavy flywheels.   I even suspect that may be why those were not shown in the pictures we have so far as that may be where the magic is at and maybe inventacom was still not certain how far he wanted to go with this (all speculation I know but that's all I've got at the moment).   The Chas Campbell setup also comes to mind as seen in Patrick Kelly's free energy book.  While he seems sincere in claiming it is free energy and I think it may be I don't know of anyone who has replicated it.  It would involve quite a bit of precision building and some detailed specs.  I don't believe there is a lot of details available so it may be another one of those potential units that is real but just a bit more than most people want to get into. 

In looking at Inventacoms bracket that holds the Fan motor I found it surprisingly thick.  It looks like 1/4" or 5/16" thick steel for a fairly small motor.  Why would he use something that thick?   I think it is possible there may be a pulley that is off balance or something that is not a standard symmetrical pulley which may need the extra strength of that really thick bracket to keep things stable.  Any way that's just my guesses at this point. 

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Re: Free Electric Multi-use motor - Home gen-Car motor-Boat Motor-lawn mower
« Reply #149 on: September 21, 2012, 09:05:31 PM »
Hi Guys;

I was really skeptical about that little 12 volt blower motor being able to turn that generator so I did a little testing.
I have a Nissan Micra blower motor which is 12 volts and 160 watts according to the nameplate. I know inventacom has a bigger motor but I still think this should give a close representation.

I hooked it up to 3 different loads to see if it could cut it.

Here's my results.

!/2 hp induction motor 120 volts, about 1 to 1 ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor would get to 1700 rpm and with capacitors I was able to get about 4 volts ac
Blower motor gets hot.

2 HP, 220volt Baldor motor, about 1 to 2  ratio, using dishwasher belt.
Motor could not get above 100 rpm and with capacitors would not produce power because it was no where near required speed
Blower motor gets really hot and struggles

2HP @120  DC PM motor, 14 amps @ 6000 rpm,approx 1 to 1 ratio  using dishwasher belt.
Motor would easily spin over 4000 rpm and produced about 36 volts DC

In all cases the blower motor was powered by a battery charger set on 60 amp 12volt boost circuit. It almost always drew about 40 amps.

I just can't see that little motor turning that generator to the right rpm as it looks.

Vince


 

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