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Author Topic: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!  (Read 11664 times)

Offline Jdo300

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Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« on: July 21, 2006, 01:34:44 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Here is the video we have all been waiting for!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6530358947613135242&q=transgenerador

Check out the Walter Torbay motor thread if you want to get involved in the replication effort! :-).

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 03:32:10 AM »
Many thanks Jason for finding it.
Here is another one:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296989995550439375&q=ICYTI

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 02:47:32 AM »
This is my first post in this forum. It is a very useful and informative wesite.

My impression of the Walter Torbay motor is that it does indeed operate without springs. From what I have been able to observe from the previous movie and from photos at Torbay's website is that the stator blocks are tilted upward by one cam follower wheel protruding from the lower part of the rotor, following a ramp underside each stator block. Then to go back to horizontal, I observed there is a follower wheel attached at the top of each stator block. These wheels are cammed downward by a single slope on the under side of the rotor cap. No need for springs because the elevation of the stator block hinge axis is at the right point for toggle-up and toggle-down due to stator/rotor mutual repulsion.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 02:47:32 AM »
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gn0stik

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2006, 12:30:19 AM »
Huh, well it sure is slow. That's a real eye opener. I don't see how it can possibly produce the power he was claiming.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 01:02:50 AM »
Huh, well it sure is slow. That's a real eye opener. I don't see how it can possibly produce the power he was claiming.

Hello gn0stik,

If you read all the articles written about Torbay explaining how the motor works, he talks about how the angle cuts determine the torque to speed ratio. Since it would evidently be better for this type of motor to move a lower RPMS (all the mechanical movements), it would make sense that he would optimize it to run at a low RPM but with a high torque, which he does talk about in many of the articles written about it. Further evidence of this can be seen in the video where he has the very large sprocket attached to the rotor turning a very small gear connected to a small generator.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 01:02:50 AM »
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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 07:35:36 AM »
Wow, I've followed the torbay threads since the beginning, and read his entire site with the help of babelfish, and I never read any of that info about low rpm and high torque.

Regardless of the torque (it would have to be massive), to compensate for such low rpms, that thing turns at around 50-60 rpms. Also all of the concept tests I've seen have had almost NO torque, or very low torque. Some can't even lift the lifters. I've been a stickler about specs, as you can see by the 3d model I made for it. Nobody has yet built one to torbay's specs, and hence cannot make any positive or negative claims. However the concept tests have been dissapointing.

This combined with the reports by the university in NY, that they were very disappointed in the non-working model he showed them, (which could have been fixed on site fairly easily), and his complete lack of communication on follow up calls leads me to believe he's got nothing that can produce any real power here. If your lucky this thing could produce enough power to light an LED bank, or perhaps a flourescent bulb, but I doubt it could even power an incandescent bulb.

Don't get me wrong, the plain fact that he's produced a self-runner is amazing, but it's not enough. A self-runner, in and of itself, will make nothing more than an executive desk toy.

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Gn0stik.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 09:23:16 AM »
Here is now the 11.5 MByte AVI movie of the google video
for you all to download, thanks to Jason, who emailed it to me.
But as I have stated already in the other thread, I guess this
one is a fake and is powered by a hidden motor, as the
starting and stopping is just too fast and with no inertia and
the stators seem to go up and down not from their own
power but from external rotation.
Also the stator rollers at the top of the stators seem to have no
function as they are not touching the top lidcap and
also the lidcap seems to be mounted the wrong way,
as it is turned around fixed by 180 degrees !

Okay, have yourself a better view over here:
http://www.overunity.com/torbay

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 09:07:23 PM »
hi stephan,

i think you may be wrong about the stator movement.  the rollers are well inside (blind spot or dark area for me) and i think it would be difficult to tell (for sure) from this video if they are touching or not.  remember there is a ramp raising from the bottom too.  without knowing it was there, you would never guess it from the video.  looking at how he built the top (wooden part) of the rotor, you can see, if you look close, it was 2 halves joined together (doubt if he cut the disk this way) with an offset.  then a piece of flat stock (wood, metal, ???), maybe 3-4 inches long (from one half to the other), connected them together to serve as the ramp.  watching it work, it looks like something a kid would make for his first ever project, but it is really very clever.  you can build this without the benefit of a machine shop.

also, if he has run wires from the motor to the base in a fashion so that we can not see them, he really is good!!  like i inferred before, i doubt he had access to a machine shop.

now having said all that, the big base does concern me.  can't imagine why he needed such a thick unit.  maybe to hide ALL the stuff you talked about before.

i don't think this is the machine he claims gives the big out put.  the picture of the all metal looking one was probably made in a machine shop and with well balanced parts and close fits, who knows?

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 09:44:55 PM »
hum i was looking the video and i dont beleive this device work

when he remove the magnet the rotor stop instantatly but the problem is he remove it in the middle of nowehre, they should continue until the rotor magnet get on the missing one

and the bottom is really tick, sound like more an hided motor or something in it in my opinion

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 10:25:24 PM »
Isn't there a motor/generator mounted on the plexiglass top and meshed with the gear that is part of the rotor?  Why doesn't it light a light or something?

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 11:42:02 PM »
I feel at best this device in priciple may work with no or little usable energy. As stated before I believe it also faces the problem of exhausting the magnets. (Liberty was spot on)
I was also dubiuos given the simplicity of the device that they were unable to run it in NY.
Having a look at the workmanship its a wonder it works at all unless assisted.
This device for now will collect dust on my filing system along with the other 30+ devices that failed to deliver on expectations.

This does not stop my enthusiastic persuit of other devices and ideas.

Lack of independent validation is the death nell for most machines. No independent validation (after patent protection or a signed NDA) then no go as far as I am concerned. There is no credible test data, independent validation, and a great deal of the BS as far as this device goes.

I feel it is iresponsible for these inventors to make the claims they do to the media. The indian waterpowered wheel free energy device is another great example of this. They claimed they had the ou hoodoo licked yet the one most important principle or function that had to be demonstated had not been built.

I am sorry I appear to be skeptical, I truely am an optomist, just so often disapointed.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2006, 05:35:28 PM »
Mark, Skepticism is healthy when researching free energy. If it were a bad thing, you'd be suckered into every ploy to come down the pike. And there are a lot of them. I put a lot of energy into the torbay threads, but it was necessary to come to this point. However, there is a lot of research that we have done that is worthwhile. Erik Vogel's work was interesting as he had an amazing amount of torque on the device he was playing with that was inspired by the torbay motor designs. Plenty to lift a stator. I hope he continues his work. Mechanical commutation is still in the realm of possibility if working with strong enough forces. This type of motor does not scale down well because of weight and friction considerations. If the stators were made of a very light alloy, or composite, or perhaps balsa with a thin coat of hard epoxy on the outside. It might reduce weight enough to allow lifting at that scale with smaller, weaker magnets.

Torbay's motor, in this video, anyway, is obviously a powered model as it wouldn't stop and start instantly as others have indicated. It would continue to turn until it found equilibrium at a sticking spot. Unless he has a brake that engages when he slides the stator out. Which I doubt, even then it would not start the way it does, it would "jump" into motion, not start in a smooth continuous manner with no acceleration time.

Also magnets when seeking equilibrium do not move slowly, they accelerate very fast to a consistent speed, which would be much faster than this even at it's slowest.

Anyway, healthy skepticism is a good thing. But don't let it hinder your interest or experimentation.

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2006, 10:38:32 AM »
Hi Guys,

Ive been reading all and seem to see one emerging patern...skeptisism. ....lol

Anyway to validate the claims go here and see what ive been upto:-  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,933.new.html#new

Ive pasted some pics of what im working on, I thought since the only way to findout is to build one, i thought id go ahead and build one...lol

Call me nuts or crazy, but i think it maybe plausible that this could work, anyway ill give it ago, I've allocated once a week for some experimental time, my next project, I'm going to attempt steven marks power coil, from early vids of his first one theres not much in it, just looks like 2 seperate rings with magnets and wire wound.

Anyways,

You might find something out by being a kid again and thinking like one, thats where the adventure comes in
If you think like a kid, youd be amazed what you might observe and discover, Don't look at it being a full waste of your time, but rather what ive found out is that you pick up skills along the way, you learn how to build things, use formulas and make measurements and stuff so really you do learn from the experience, pull yourself away from the pc and do it.........lol

Mrd

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2006, 03:54:46 PM »
You might find something out by being a kid again and thinking like one, thats where the adventure comes in
If you think like a kid, youd be amazed what you might observe and discover, Don't look at it being a full waste of your time, but rather what ive found out is that you pick up skills along the way, you learn how to build things, use formulas and make measurements and stuff so really you do learn from the experience, pull yourself away from the pc and do it.........lol

Mrd

That's a real powerful and true statement. It's something society discourages.

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Video of Original Walter Torbay Magnet Motor!
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2006, 06:40:10 PM »
Hi all,
As long as the devices are in the physical reality made to move mechanically they will suffer from gravity.
Look at the progression from relay based devices to solid state. We got away from mechanical production, contact failure based on arcing, weight, lubricates, bearings. All fixes to resistance. Overunity in this area suffers the same.
When you move to solid state you get speed increase and field induction. Gravity is not a resistance factor any more but a usable power.
When you create a multifield interference, a magnetic bubble is created. And that  can be controlled. The higher the frequencies the higher the interferences. Check out http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html This is the reproduction of the Philadelphia experiment. It is very similar to lighter than air. If the interference is applied in the manner then you have a device the can levitate or change state. The proofs are out there.
I mention this because 'Clock mechanisms' won't cut it. Once again, gravity sucks.

Keep on truckin'

 

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