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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2012, 07:41:21 AM »
bill,
post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2012, 08:36:08 AM »
Pirate88179 "Very nice to meet you sir. I do agree with you but, we do have to remember that this is quite a large site and there are, I am sure, some large expenses associated with that. If Stefan (the forum owner) can generate some revenue by adding those links to off-set the costs involved, i don't see that as being too bad a thing."

Point taken.... thanks for the welcome.

johnny874 "....post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion."

Not so fast.... the jury is still out on that one.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2012, 10:11:44 AM »
   CC,
 With Bessler's wheel, I am trying to demonstrate that Bessler's claims are legitamate.
 This does not allow me to claim that I am the invetor. I have known other people who are interested in seeing a Bessler wheel work.
 It may be that a principle as simple as 8 pumps working sequentially is something they can not uncerstand.
 One thing I am keeping in the back of my mind is my test wheel might be able to be cleaned up for use as an attempt at a working wheel.
 I think what some dislike is that Bessler
himself said he built many wheels. I've built quite a few myself so I could better understand how much over balance is needed and what might be good ways to conserve momentum. The design I'm working on is the best solution,

edited to add; Chris, would be best for me to wait until I have a place to work. I hoped to find someone to work with who had a place to work but something critics discourage.
 Next month I will be going on long term disability which means thirty days of no income. This means about all I can do is try and work out some of the mechanics and try to come up with a design I like that won't be to difficult to build. One reason why is the wheel would need at least 16 primary levers. Then there is the gears they would work with.

I wish you the best of luck then

Just keep this in mind.

Bessler claimed 300 years ago to have invented his wheel.
Only one person other than him saw its insides.
There is ZERO proof it worked (testimony is not proof, its hearsay)
His maid admitted to the fraud.
He destroyed the machine about that time. My belief is to ensure no one could verify the maids account of how the wheel worked.
Since then many many people have tried. Not one has succeeded in 300 years.

I think the odds are pretty high that it cannot be done. That hasnt stopped me from toying with different designs though. But nothing I have come up with so far can work and I am pretty ingenious, But I would never claim to be smarter than 300 years worth of effort.


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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #48 on: October 09, 2012, 05:36:54 PM »
I wish you the best of luck then

Just keep this in mind.

Bessler claimed 300 years ago to have invented his wheel.
Only one person other than him saw its insides.
There is ZERO proof it worked (testimony is not proof, its hearsay)
His maid admitted to the fraud.
He destroyed the machine about that time. My belief is to ensure no one could verify the maids account of how the wheel worked.
Since then many many people have tried. Not one has succeeded in 300 years.

I think the odds are pretty high that it cannot be done. That hasnt stopped me from toying with different designs though. But nothing I have come up with so far can work and I am pretty ingenious, But I would never claim to be smarter than 300 years worth of effort.


CC

   CC,
 In reality, Bessler is the only person who can prove he built a wheel. because he did not do so at that time, all that can be demonstrated is that the work he left allows a person to believe he did.
 With what I have had to tolerate to work on his wheel, I could understand why no one has pursued it with much diligence.
I have had my schooling in Propulsion Enginnering, machining, design engineering, etc., etc. discounted as being meaningless.
 Bessler did say it would take a discerning eye to understand his drawings, you might say the devil is in the details. With Bessler's work, it is understanding the details that allows for his engineering to be understood. But I have done one thing differently than what I believe everybody else has done. Instead of discussing what I know, I discussed what Bessler knew.
 And with the builds I did, it helped me to understand what to look for in his drawings. Be it as it may, people prefer his words which he said he wrote for speculators.
 But as I've said before, I am in the wrong place. trying to understand an obscure part of German History about a GRAVITY wheel someone built in a German forum that IS about using gravity to understand how an overunity invention might work is plain wrong. People whose work I have never seen is credible ebcause they are attacking me. I guess the mistake is all mine.
 I shouldn't post my work when I believe what Bessler knew is like the Wright Bros. airplane, it was over everybody's heads because they went by what they knew. What the Wright Bros. did differently was to build a wind tunnel and tested wing designs. Such a simple thing really, testing idea's with a scale model before building the real thing.
 Of course, my father worked for the Boeing Airplane Co. and did work in the Research and Devolopment department. Plus I worked there also and learned a lot about how Boeing tested ideas through destructive testing. I have worked for other companies that did destructive testing to ensure that the work being done was compliant with FAA standards.
 But such experience is not considered credible in this forum. Only flaming someone is and with me, i think I am tired of it.
As AB Hammer siad, it is Bessler's wheel and anyone can build it. He is right about that but what he emant was that he could tell me what to do since i claimed to be working on Bessler's wheel. If he had a worth while idea, I would have thought differently but he really never took the time to learn something other than his armoring.
What AB hammer had to say about my concept of Bessler's wheel
>> Trevor

I did a quick modification of one of his pictures of how it will look. IMO
Now look at MT 66 to 69 and think of how much leverage not_me and what Bessler has in the MT's. The MT's have more leverage to move fluids. And this one will end up with to much weight below the 3 to 9 keel line and not enough to lift it over.<<
 pg.4, Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:38 am
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=saw+lead+melting&start=75
 What AB Hammer missed is that all the weights and all the levers create no over balance or under balance.
 So curiousChris, I think the reason Bessler's wheel will never get built is a blow hard like Alan has to get credit for saying his lack of education allowed him to inderstand what people who went to school are to stupid to learn.
 There are a few designs that could work that are not Bessler's and in the same thread I piosted where I made suggestions to Alan but as he said, his design ciould not be changed because it was better than working with someone and finding a solution.
 Talk about ego !
 
p.s., the water could be kept at the 3 o'clock position if desired. The actuation of the levers would determine when they start exerting force on the pumps and how much force over what range of motion. Kind of like valve timing in a car. The cam has lift and duration and then the timing or firing of the spark plugs will determine before, at or after top dead center for firing. It all works together.
 
 simply put CC, free energy comes from weighted levers falling as the wheel rotates. they can create more force than it requires to rotate the wheel.
 
 
 edited to add; what no one with a computer bothered to do at besslerwheel dot com, rotate the drawing 90 degrees (2nd pic). myself, was dealing with severe medical issues which I still have  :-( but as I have been told, this forum does not care about a person's health, only their ability to do what they are told.
 
3rd pic shows about how levers actually move.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #49 on: October 09, 2012, 06:36:58 PM »
Pirate88179 "Very nice to meet you sir. I do agree with you but, we do have to remember that this is quite a large site and there are, I am sure, some large expenses associated with that. If Stefan (the forum owner) can generate some revenue by adding those links to off-set the costs involved, i don't see that as being too bad a thing."

Point taken.... thanks for the welcome.

johnny874 "....post a wheel that is gravity powered. magnets are not considered perpetual motion."

Not so fast.... the jury is still out on that one.

   Emile,
 you're missing the point. this is the gravity section of the forum. I am going to have to quit working in here. as bill said, he has wheels but I haven't seen anything. and what am I being attacked for ? I think it is as AB Hammer told me once, he is an American man married to an American woman. He  and Bill knows that my father is an immigrant.
 And bill's friend tinselfkoala has accused me of posting an idea that is his but has had to show no proof when he claims to have some. bill and stefan want me to be nice to tk. not sure why.
 readt the thread heron's fountain which bill started and then read the thread modified heron's fountain which I started. I was willing to work with bill and tinself koala but they were to good. instead, tk wanted credit for what I thought of.
 don't see those guys pursuing anyone who lives in America that has a father (parent) from a different country.
of course, Bessler was half German and half Polish. it could be that because he had to live in 2 different cultures/societies that he could consider things from different perspectives. Could be why Einstein was so smart, German's hated Jews and Einstein was Jewish and left Germany I think in 1937. See a pattern forming here ?
 
  Bill, ewe and alan can have this forum. it's like alan asked me once, how big is my . he wasn't playing Jerry Sandusky but was asking me if I was as agressive as he is. Aggressive people don't have what it takes to elarn subtle nuances, could be why he is a metal smith that relies on his hammering to get his work done. might be all he knows.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2012, 07:15:30 PM »
emile,
if bill has any magnetic wheels, he should have posted a picture or link to something to prove he is not showing someone elsex work. but its only me that has to prove everything I post.

edit
check out the magnetic wheel thread gadget started. it seems that magnetic wheels have been working for almost a century now
still, wonder why tk didnt find gadgets demonstration very interezting.

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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2012, 02:22:35 AM »

 
 And bill's friend tinselfkoala has accused me of posting an idea that is his but has had to show no proof when he claims to have some. bill and stefan want me to be nice to tk. not sure why.
 readt the thread heron's fountain which bill started and then read the thread modified heron's fountain which I started. I was willing to work with bill and tinself koala but they were to good. instead, tk wanted credit for what I thought of.

More lies.  TK did NOT steal your idea.  His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything.  I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove.  Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true.

Also, I am not married, another lie.  I have nothing against foreign women.  As a matter of fact, I love foreign women, as often as possible.

Are you attempting to set a record for how many lies you can post before being banned again?  How many times have you been banned from this site now?  3?  4?  I lost count.  it was not because you have any real ideas or builds, it was because you lie about other members and constantly violate the TOS for this site.  (That is Terms Of Service Mr. cubic inches of surface area)

What "engineer" uses terms like "Cubic inches of surface area"?  You post crap like that and then try to defend it and then claim we are picking on you.  You are an idiot.  If you do not know what that means, look it up.  I would not be surprised to see your picture next to the definition.

Magnets can not be used in a perpetuum mobile?  Why?  Because Mr. Cubic Inches Of Surface Areas says so?  Go to school, get an engineering degree and then maybe we can talk.  Until then....piss off troll.

Bill

PS  I have posted videos of magnetic wheel experiments.  They are mine.  Unlike you, I do not steal other people's work.  I don't have to as I have original ideas of my own and I share them freely.  So, go ahead and apply for a patent.  They will have a good laugh over there trying to read your piss-poor typing and butchering of the English language.  You must have dropped out of school in the 3rd grade....sheesh!
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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2012, 07:57:36 AM »
didn't bother to read your post bill. considering your Heron's thread shows I tried working with you and tinself cola and all either of you have done is harass me.
 Stefan should talk to both of you about your conduct but won't.
 Have no need to tolerate your harassment.
 edited to add, did read the last part of your post. Bessler's wheel can not be patented. as for Milkovic's pendulum, I did exchange a few e~mails with someone named Jovan Milkovic. Even sent a link and asked if they were interested in working together. I was told their latest attempts showed no overunity and that they no longer were pursuing a possible overunity solution.
 Not sure why everyone has a problem with, Milkovic's son didn't.
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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2012, 09:39:32 AM »
  bill,
 why don't you invent something that everyone knows is your invention and then give it away. when I see someone who claims to believe that do it with something that works, then I'll be laughing at them. after all, most people would rather go to the store and buy something rather than build it.
 just like what Emile built, most people would struggle withthat, and if he gets it to go OU, most people would be lost on it.
 only a busines would be interested and he would lose out. that's reality.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2012, 06:02:24 PM »
More lies.  TK did NOT steal your idea.  His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything.  I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove.  Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true.

Also, I am not married, another lie.  I have nothing against foreign women.  As a matter of fact, I love foreign women, as often as possible.

Are you attempting to set a record for how many lies you can post before being banned again?  How many times have you been banned from this site now?  3?  4?  I lost count.  it was not because you have any real ideas or builds, it was because you lie about other members and constantly violate the TOS for this site.  (That is Terms Of Service Mr. cubic inches of surface area)

What "engineer" uses terms like "Cubic inches of surface area"?  You post crap like that and then try to defend it and then claim we are picking on you.  You are an idiot.  If you do not know what that means, look it up.  I would not be surprised to see your picture next to the definition.

Magnets can not be used in a perpetuum mobile?  Why?  Because Mr. Cubic Inches Of Surface Areas says so?  Go to school, get an engineering degree and then maybe we can talk.  Until then....piss off troll.

Bill

PS  I have posted videos of magnetic wheel experiments.  They are mine.  Unlike you, I do not steal other people's work.  I don't have to as I have original ideas of my own and I share them freely.  So, go ahead and apply for a patent.  They will have a good laugh over there trying to read your piss-poor typing and butchering of the English language.  You must have dropped out of school in the 3rd grade....sheesh!

  Bill,
 tk's videos are based on Heron's work. the lies would be that he modified heron's Fountain, he didn't.
And as to Milkovic's Pendulum, here is one of the e-mails I exchanged with Jovan Milkovic. If  Vejlko Milkovic patented the counter balanced pendulum, then he would be owed some monies for using HIS invention in my design. If it was not something he could patent, I am still acknowledging his work.
 Yet you say when i post an idea in your thread that you say it's best to ignore now draws claims from you that I stole tk's idea.
So much for this being an open source forum. The reality is, if people want credit for something, then if they don't post their own idea, then they should be willing to help soemone who does. If not, don't see where they should be given free idea's if they're not willing to spend the time learning and working at something
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:25 PM  From: Veljko Milkovic R&D Center <veljkomilkovic@gmail.com> j_lindgaard@windstream.net
Subject:Re: Pendulum
   
 Hi Jim

As you know our main concern was if centrifugal force can take any
energy out of gravitation. The final result is that I can prove
nothing by mathematics, because in places where the law of conservation
of angular momentum is valid, centrifugal force takes energy out of the
pendulum and decrease its speed. It happens at low position of the pendulum.
What happens on left end right side from low position I do not know.
It must be measured.

I do not believe that we can take any energy out of gravitation by any
combination of levers and weights. The reason is that gravitational energy
depends only of height of a weight. So, if you have two weights like in the
case of a seesaw, all energy gained from a weight which goes down will be
spent in order to raise up the weight on opposite side...

This is the reason why I do not believe that Bessler's wheel whith single
weigths can givy any energy surplus. If we could remove frictions, such
Bessler's wheel could maintain only its own rotation and could be easy
stopped. However, I found in some papers of Bruce de Palma that he was able
to take out small energy surplus out of elasticity of metal rods. This means
that combination of springs and weights could give some energy surplus, at
least to overcome friction and maintain its rotation. I am currently in
proces of investigation elasticity as energy source.

Jovan

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2012, 06:15:02 PM »
  @All,
 Since Bill is claiming I have stolen TK's design, Re: developing idea's« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2012, 08:22:35 PM » Quote from: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 12:36:58 PM>> More lies.  TK did NOT steal your idea.  His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything.  I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove.  Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true. <<
 here is a quote from TK,
>>  Re: Modified Heron's Fountain« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 03:08:22 PM » You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design,  << 
  It seems Bill is helping TK to try to take credit for my idea. Something I will make Stefan aware of. Come up with something else Bill.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2012, 08:26:55 PM »
   @All,
  May start my own web page to post my work on. Then if people have questions or would be interested in some type of partnership, then they could contact me.

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Re: developing idea's
« Reply #57 on: October 11, 2012, 12:01:33 AM »
johnny874 I would strongly recommend that you prove your critics wrong. If you believe your improvements will work then rather than comment on here. knuckle down as best you can (health withstanding) and get the job done.
If you succeed, get a patent pending and you will own the rights to the device. For anyone to say they thought of it first would require them to have patented it first. The new patent system makes filing date more important than invention date.
If someone says "here is my patent and it precedes yours". Then all you have to do is ask them to show it working based on their own patent. The working device will always trump the non working 'claim' and so far NO ONE has produced a working device. Although plenty claim to, I have never seen a working gravity wheel. So I think you are safe from that angle :)

So don't allow these guys to distract you, knuckle down to get it working.
That's my thoughts anyway.

CC

   CC,
 This video is the concept I am trying to work into an 8 weighted, 8 pump wheel.
One of Bessler's quotes was that his weights would shoot outwards, just what compressed water does.
 But I will need a shop in order to warp boards which bessler also said he used. After all, wheels are
round.
 By the way, if you look at the pump I built, it has a lot of resistence to over come yet still delivers
a lot of power. Just imagine if I had used bushings or lubricants and didn't have the lever grinding on the
pump as it worked it. I've always heard resistence will stop anything. In this forum, the only thing it will stop
is people from trying. Such an easy answer for something considered impossible.
 Still, will need to wait until next year. I do have more serious concerns right now.
 
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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2012, 01:27:17 AM »
  @All,
 Since Bill is claiming I have stolen TK's design, Re: developing idea's« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2012, 08:22:35 PM » Quote from: johnny874 on October 09, 2012, 12:36:58 PM>> More lies.  TK did NOT steal your idea.  His videos were up on youtube long before you posted anything.  I think you took credit for his work as the dates prove.  Just because you repeat this lie over and over does not make it any more true. <<
 here is a quote from TK,
>>  Re: Modified Heron's Fountain« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 03:08:22 PM » You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design,  << 
  It seems Bill is helping TK to try to take credit for my idea. Something I will make Stefan aware of. Come up with something else Bill.

Are you still doing this, you liar? When will you stop? Do you need to get banned again, in order for you to stop lying about me?
I POSTED MY VIDEOS MANY DAYS BEFORE YOU EVEN STARTED TALKING ABOUT "YOUR" IDEA. In fact Bill's thread was started before you started talking about "your" idea, and he started his thread because he saw my early work with the Heron's Fountain and my modifications of it.

The dates of my videos and the dates of your posts are public records and show clearly that your accusation is false and that you are lying about the whole thing.

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2012, 01:28:30 AM »
   @All,
  May start my own web page to post my work on. Then if people have questions or would be interested in some type of partnership, then they could contact me.

Yeah, you "may" do this and you may do that. But you never actually do.

 

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