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Title: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 10, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Overunity currently features a front page video of a thick copper wire coil with a thick center tap spiral copper wire leading nowhere, and a horseshoe VCR magnet glued to the bottem. The video shows the coil and magnet generating 5.92 volts, and running a 9 volt D.C. motor.

I found measured voltage in a bifilar coil with a diametric tube magnet placed in the air core. This effect was tested and reported by me on the forums and adds legitimacy to this incredible video, which seemingly defys logic. This looks simple enough to replicate. I believe it's worth a try.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: leonirz on September 10, 2012, 05:11:07 PM
For me, it is obviously a wireless energy transfer, where the other coil (energy emitter) is hidden of camera lens.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 10, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
Overunity currently features a front page video of a thick copper wire coil with a thick center tap spiral copper wire leading nowhere, and a horseshoe VCR magnet glued to the bottem. The video shows the coil and magnet generating 5.92 volts, and running a 9 volt D.C. motor.

I found measured voltage in a bifilar coil with a diametric tube magnet placed in the air core. This effect was tested and reported by me on the forums and adds legitimacy to this incredible video, which seemingly defys logic. This looks simple enough to replicate. I believe it's worth a try.
This is quite different from what you describe however.  I don't see any reason to think this is real based on your experiment.  What voltage and current did you see on your setup?  Enough to run a small DC motor?   I really doubt it.  I can see voltage across any small piece of wire with a good meter or O-scope as long as just one lead is connected.  I hate to admit I even tried this but it was way to simple for me and I found the wire size he used stated somewhere and already had a piece just the right length in that exact gauge.  Took about 5 minutes including hot gluing a hard drive magnet to it.  Even used the same exact size alligator clips.  Nada.  Nothing.  No voltage and no current.  O-scope saw a little but only if I had one lead connected.  Connect to both ends and it drops to nothing.  I can read more voltage on that o-scope from my finger or a straight piece of wire the same length.  It's just picking up stray EMF. 
This whole thing is as fake as it gets.  Just a creative magician. 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 10, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
For me, it is obviously a wireless energy transfer, where the other coil (energy emitter) is hidden of camera lens.
@synchro it's Busted ..By Tk ...your  beating a dead Horse ! The Guy is a TrIxTEr .already Dissussed and it is a FAKE GUYS .here you go read on and see http://www.overunity.com/12670/solid-state-free-energy-device-rebuilt-it-but-unsuccessful/ (http://www.overunity.com/12670/solid-state-free-energy-device-rebuilt-it-but-unsuccessful/)

and if you want to cut to the chase Tk's magic coil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koNnPYjeKDE (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=0de1c882bae3a5d7344e394b19608218&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F12670%2Fsolid-state-free-energy-device-rebuilt-it-but-unsuccessful%2F30%2F&v=1&libid=1347297025213&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkoNnPYjeKDE&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F12670%2Fsolid-state-free-energy-device-rebuilt-it-but-unsuccessful%2F45%2F&title=%22solid%20state%20free%20energy%20device%22%20-%20rebuilt%20it%20but%20unsuccessful&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkoNnPYjeKDE&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13472970340581)


gadget
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
The motor has a couple of button cells concealed inside it. The coil assembly is just a short, a jumper, nothing more. It makes the circuit connection inside the motor for its concealed button cells. Note how weakly his motor runs towards the end of the demo... the little batteries are going flat.

The meter is also "fekked" (a magician's term). As shown below. Again, the coil just acts as a jumper, to make the connection externally so that the meter measures the voltage of the concealed batteries.  Just make sure you leave the meter in the right range when you are doing this trick. You could even fekk the 9v battery, so that it would read the 6 v from the meter's internal battery plus the 3 volts you have hidden in the 9v case, to give a reading of 9v when you pretend to measure its voltage. This would also help the effect when you show the motor connected to the 9v..... you'd have its hidden 3v in series with the motor's hidden cells.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: baroutologos on September 10, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Same sheat :) every time with this forum. One claims OU and thats it and every one jumps up and down (icluding me in the past) trying to replicate always unsuccesfully.


Behind every claim, should be a priciple presented along with a working prototype, or else a waste of time.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: crazycut06 on September 11, 2012, 01:11:58 AM
@ Tinselkoala,
I think this is like your wireless energy transfer rig, in his meter it shows neg voltage same as your finding, maybe his transmitter is strapped onto his body, fake!


Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 01:59:43 AM
Well, if you have faith and knowledge in the accepted principles, you can rule out a lot of things right away. One principle being that nobody is going to show an energy-extractor like that, in a YT video, if it were real, therefore it must be faked in some way.
If you had a device that really _really_ did what that one does.... would you just put it in a nice YT video to show your friends, then just go on about your regular day? Somehow I doubt it.

Once you understand that, the rest is just a jigsaw puzzle to be assembled to look pretty.

Seriously, though.... the actual principles of physics that we are pretty sure are correct.... they may be incomplete, we hope, but a lot of it is undeniably correct.... will allow the same kind of evaluation. If what you are seeing is inconsistent with what you already _know_ is correct, then it's likely that you are misinterpreting what you are seeing in some way. You may be deliberately misled, or you may be fooling yourself by looking at, and for, what you want to see.

As a thing is viewed... so it appears.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 02:03:45 AM
@ Tinselkoala,
I think this is like your wireless energy transfer rig, in his meter it shows neg voltage same as your finding, maybe his transmitter is strapped onto his body, fake!
No, there is no wireless power in his video! The extra hidden batts are just hooked up so that the meter reads negative. It would read negative with either side of the coil hooked to the red meter lead, too! Just like mine above.

What he shows is way easier to fake just with some tiny batteries in the motor and the meter, just as I showed. The wireless power system requires more components in the receiver and also varies according to position. As he moves around, the voltage reading is rock-steady. Nothing is coming from his little coil, except a short circuit.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 11, 2012, 05:22:49 AM
TK:

Thank you very much.  I was actually considering trying to replicate this when I came across his videos on youtube last week.  You called it by what I saw that held me back....here he has this great "invention" and yet he posts another 3 videos after of some lame type of things.  Not something I would do if I indeed really "had it".

So, thank you for confirming what my gut was telling me.  I might have still tried a replication just to be sure but after reading your posts, I am sure.

Which brings up the point Bart was making.....WTF?  Why?  Why do folks insist upon doing this sh*t?  Sure, I am positive I could fake some cool looking videos too if I put my mind to it but....what is the point?  I really just don't get it.

Crap like this always reminds me of the Mylow saga.  Very depressing.

Bill
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 11, 2012, 05:50:51 AM
Lets say that MAYBE the magnet, N over one side of the larger coil and S over the other side, causing a rectifying effect in the larger coil.

If the pigtail were an antenna, what freq does it 'look'(round abouts)like it would respond to? Maybe adding each half of the larger coil to it, and maybe even the winding of the motor as part of the ant.

Just wondering if it were possible if he had a driver coil somewhere.

Ive been reading on magnet biased cores, and it seems like possibly 'soft' rectification could be had with the magnet fields N to S biasing the air core of that larger coil.

Just thinking, with less negative 'assumption'. ;]

MaGs
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 11, 2012, 06:02:50 AM
Mags:

I should probably state my position that, if indeed it were an antenna making that kind of power from radio, cell towers, etc.  I would be thrilled with it.  I have argued with some folks about the antenna deal on other devices.  They say it is not free energy because the signals come from a radio station.  I say, if I can light up something, the radio station does not have to output any more than it does.  One fellow on youtube actually told me that if only 1 person has their radio on, the radio station cranks back their power....but if a lot of folks are listening, they have to crank up their power so I would be stealing from them.  I say, the towers have no idea how many devices are turned on and just output what they are designed to output.

My reason for getting into this is that if it were to be true that it was an antenna....that would bother me not at all.  I am afraid TK is correct if for no other reason than the guy moved on to other simple projects after developing a device that could win the Nobel prize.  I just don't think real folks do that sort of thing.

Bill
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 11, 2012, 06:26:02 AM
Mags:

I should probably state my position that, if indeed it were an antenna making that kind of power from radio, cell towers, etc.  I would be thrilled with it.  I have argued with some folks about the antenna deal on other devices.  They say it is not free energy because the signals come from a radio station.  I say, if I can light up something, the radio station does not have to output any more than it does.  One fellow on youtube actually told me that if only 1 person has their radio on, the radio station cranks back their power....but if a lot of folks are listening, they have to crank up their power so I would be stealing from them.  I say, the towers have no idea how many devices are turned on and just output what they are designed to output.

My reason for getting into this is that if it were to be true that it was an antenna....that would bother me not at all.  I am afraid TK is correct if for no other reason than the guy moved on to other simple projects after developing a device that could win the Nobel prize.  I just don't think real folks do that sort of thing.

Bill

Well, I was thinking of a near by transmitter, like under the table or off to the left or right. The 5v range, if I were to have a circuit that absorbed cell transmission from a cell phone, would the received result be in the 5v range? Like those led ant lights that were sold that lit when your phone was active.

Like we could come up with many many ways of if there were a batt inside the meter. or just say that there 'are' batteries in the motor casing, without evidence, and it is just accepted? If we are to call that science, we are doomed. ;]

If we make a habit of this, how many possible real devices might be overlooked with this habitry?  Habitry?  My new word. Habitry. ;]   Im not going to get myself into all that habitry. ;]

MaGs
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 11, 2012, 06:40:44 AM
For a change I gotta' totally agree with TK.  It's exactly as he says IMO and it's what I was saying in another message thread about this.  Battery inside the motor and one in the meter.  And I'll say again for anyone thinking it's power being transmitted from nearby that you don't get DC voltage as shown on the guy's meter (a negative voltage as the meter showed so he apparently had his hidden battery installed backwards LOL) out of a coil that is picking up transmitted power as it would always be AC and need to be rectified to get DC.   Since no diode was shown in his setup I can't see any way it would have been transmitted.   At least as far as I know there is now way to transmit DC power through the air. 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 11, 2012, 07:01:40 AM
For a change I gotta' totally agree with TK.  It's exactly as he says IMO and it's what I was saying in another message thread about this.  Battery inside the motor and one in the meter.  And I'll say again for anyone thinking it's power being transmitted from nearby that you don't get DC voltage as shown on the guy's meter (a negative voltage as the meter showed so he apparently had his hidden battery installed backwards LOL) out of a coil that is picking up transmitted power as it would always be AC and need to be rectified to get DC.   Since no diode was shown in his setup I can't see any way it would have been transmitted.   At least as far as I know there is now way to transmit DC power through the air.

Agreed.  Also, in looking again at the close-up on the homepage of the motor...I have many of these types of motors I am playing with, I wondered why he had the tie-wrap around the end of the motor?  Well, if you look at the exposed end....that is not where you take it apart.  it comes apart at the other end and to hide his "demolition", he installed the tie-wrap around that end of the motor to hide the damage done.  There is no other reason for that nylon tie.  Sure, it makes a nice handle, but it would work the same, or probably better, if wrapped around the center, or balance point of the motor right?

Bill
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 11, 2012, 07:17:31 AM
For a change I gotta' totally agree with TK.  It's exactly as he says IMO and it's what I was saying in another message thread about this.  Battery inside the motor and one in the meter.  And I'll say again for anyone thinking it's power being transmitted from nearby that you don't get DC voltage as shown on the guy's meter (a negative voltage as the meter showed so he apparently had his hidden battery installed backwards LOL) out of a coil that is picking up transmitted power as it would always be AC and need to be rectified to get DC.   Since no diode was shown in his setup I can't see any way it would have been transmitted.   At least as far as I know there is now way to transmit DC power through the air.


Im reading  Regulated PowerSupplies 4th edition  Irving Goolieb. 

Magnetically biased chokes and transformers.   Current will flow easier in one direction than the other when pulsed or ac. Its not solid rectification. I call it soft rectification. Add that to inductance free wheeling and maybe current flows in one direction, more than the other.

So if the ant were receiving a signal ( of its preference ), then it is possible that current would more likely flow through the larger coil in the direction of easier current flow than harder. Like an AV plug, if the magnet biased coil acts as a rectifier of sorts, I can see high freq received by the pig tail possibly producing a current in the magnetically biased coil/motor circuit. 

There is not much to the setup that one couldnt 'waste a little time to try some things.

The big coil, oooo tough one. ;]
The lil piggy. weee weeeeee,  wu wu WEEEEEEEE   lol
And a hard drive reader arm magnet.  Who doesnt have one of those? ;]

Hot glue?

And the final ingredient, signal source.

A better way of debunking this is to build it and just run some simple tests on the coil with the piggy and the magnet.  Not to just say there 'is' batteries in the motor case. with that I would ask for another opinion really.

If this vid were presented to a classroom full of tech students, and the teacher offered up the same battery in the meter and motor explanations and nobody questioned it any further, even though the teacher 'assumed' his assertions, as was done here, and move on to the next lesson, what did the students learn? An opinion?  ;]

Thats why we have gov up our asses and soon reading our minds, because people choose not to question, and just accept things the way they are and will be.

Really, the guy just might have a tiny motor inside the motor case, giving room for batteries galore. But I cannot say that it is a fact!  That is for sure.

Mags
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 11, 2012, 07:58:43 AM
Ya know, if the vid had 3 more coils, a couple caps, diodes, 'leds' and 2 10in. ant, it might be getting more attn. Kapanadze? Lots of coils, caps, sparks, transistors, computer fans, dual grounds, lots of lit light bulbs. Lots of parts makes it more believable I suppose.

But here, 3 parts, coil, ant and a 'hard drive' magnet, N and S on the same face, and it is dismissed based on what? lol Based on 'its been done before?'  I never seen it, anywhere. You?  Got one layin around that didnt work? lol  I thought the magnet to be very useless at first sight. But then I thought, its a HD mag, N on one side of the coil and S on the other, giving a N to S field in the coil. So it is a magnetically biased coil.
Im not saying mag bias is a key to FE. But we cannot say it couldnt be an ingredient. ;]


Its like Wilby coming in and posting, "hey Mags, there is no God. "  And I should just say, "Oh, Thanks man, I didnt know. Good looking out. Whew, good thing I didnt get more involved with all that."  Just accepting a mans word, for anything, without question.
Science is all about questioning and searching for the answers, isnt it? Not speculating and accepting that as fact. Is it? Heck, might as well shut this site down and get into the   p o r n ( wont accept the word p**n in the post????)industry. Because we are all just meat with eyes.

MaGs
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on September 11, 2012, 09:32:01 AM
Hi folks, I feel what you are saying magluvin.
If this is a hoax and you all want to know why people would do this without getting paid or do get paid, precisely to elicit a response of anger and distrust of others.
To get people to not pay attention to excess energy claims anymore and to try and cause people to not experiment.
They like to say edison was a genius or even tesla, they were not much different from us, they just experimented with a determination and focus.
Which is precisely what the controllers of humanity do not want, unless it is supervised in secret with them lurking over your shoulder.
To me, all the provable hoaxes prove one thing, that their is something lurking in the minds of humans that does not belong there and/or humans need food and stuff, so it's hard to blame some when money can buy that stuff, know what i mean.
All so called authority on this planet would have zero authority, if people in general, questioned and made real investigations into things that matter in their lives.
And as magluvin points out, claiming something is fake or not without evidence, serves no positive constructive purpose, same goes for other human beings claiming some kind of authority over others, just because they say so or i was elected or the people said i am ruler, lol.
peace love light 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2012, 10:34:57 AM
Some people go to the movies and even though they know they are watching fiction, they might still believe some of the things in the movie. It's not unusual for stage magicians to be accused of really having magical or psychic powers by believers in the audience.

These things aren't hoaxes! The presenter is performing a magic trick for you, creating an illusion. If you _choose to see_ it as a demonstration of something real, then you might see "hoax" in it when you find out it's not real. But as a thing is viewed, so it appears. That "hoax" is coming from you, not the illusionist.

Myself, I don't feel hoaxed at all. When I saw the video I immediately saw how he could be doing it, and I immediately ruled out wireless power because of what I know to be true, the size and type of the components shown, and the behaviour of the circuit. What's left? Magic, high current fingers... or concealed batteries.

When you take a jigsaw puzzle out of the box, are you angry that the "hoaxers" didn't assemble it, so it looks like the picture on the box?
(Do people even have time to do jigsaw puzzles any more, I wonder?)

That tiny antenna would operate most efficiently in the GHz range if it were a radio receiver, and that magnet is doing nothing like "biasing" that coil to turn it into a rectifier/detector of RF. I mean... mine worked without the magnet, so that proves that.  Right?
 :o

Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 11, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
Deleted.Too busy working on real things .
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Mark_Eric on September 11, 2012, 09:55:17 PM
I think TK was smart enough not to get trapped into saying that he knows how he DID it. He and others said and showed how he COULD have done it. The guy could have faked it another way. If others tried to replicate it and couldn't, that also doesn't mean its fake (just that it very likely fake). If he swears its not fake, tries to replicate it, can't replicate it, that STILL doesn't mean it's fake.

Basically that's why we can never know, even if the poster themselves said its fake. So what are we left with?

As someone who has been wanting to put up videos on a few very simple things I've hesitated, because I know that people are going to dismiss them out of hand. "If that were real, people would have found that out by now!" they'll say. That is why tricksters/hoaxers bother me, because they encourage a skeptical attitude, least one be made look silly for believing. That skeptical mindset hasn't gotten us OU, but at least no ones gonna pull one over on us!

So TK, while I get your analogy of a magician or a movie, I don't agree. When I go see a magician, I might not know HOW I'm being tricked, but I do know that I'm being tricked. If the tricksters want to amaze and impress us, do like TK does(alt.snakeoil means be wary) and give an indication in the title or comment. Something like "video is Rossi-esque", or "video is Rossified".
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 11, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
Mark thats is what separates the Men from the boys  We man up and tell out front unlike the hacker dude . HE will not allow you to know he is a fake . Like Crist Angel when he made his first appearance .he had to be taken down by another Masked magician to show the illusions.  . .and how many Experiments have you done in the last 4 years ? I was fooled like every one else and built the damn thing . same hard drive magnet freken counted the coils ,diameter . and  Feel Betrayed and stupid  because of that jerk hacker. Try it . T you can build this 100,000.00 different ways and there is no way possible he has a "Secret dc transmitter "to produce the voltage and current of 5.9 VDC and run a dc motor .impossible .I have repeatedly asked him to do a video "unedited" and read the battery then if it's 9 volts . ok then read the "coil" . He refused . and the simple second thing is short the terminals of the meter . Simple and any inventor  asked would not ignore you if they WERE NOT  faking and accused of it.
what we know that you don;t is if he tried to read that 9 volt battery it would add or subtract the exact voltage of the rigged meter batteries . and He Know IF HE shorts out the rigged motor with a metal object it runs. :)
Any free energy experimenter that has video channel on this board or energetic forum would be more than happy to do it again if they were called a fake. This guy IS a fake.he can't talk the talk or walk the walk.
It's pointless except believe what you want to believe .BUILD and Learn !@! that will never change in all of us . I believe in free energy . Not scammers. .
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2012, 01:44:33 AM
@gadgetmall... heh, it was fun thinking of ways to "fekk" all the items you listed. Let's see....

1) metering the 9v battery: take the battery's guts out and replace with 3 volts of button cells. Combined with the batteries in the meter and the motor, the motor will run fine when touched to the battery terminals and the meter will indicate 9 volts when the battery is measured.
Then read the coil...you get the six volts from the meter battery.

2) Shorting the motor terminals with a metal object: but which motor terminals? Maybe you need to provide continuity from the motor _case_  to one terminal to make it run by the internal batteries, and if you use the regular terminals it works like a  normal motor. Easy to do and easy to make one of the coil's alligator clips contact the case when hooking the coil up. So you could short the terminals with metal, no run. Provide  known DC power to the terminals, run. Hook up coil to the terminals.... with one clip touching the case in a non-obvious way.... run, but on the concealed batteries.

I also like the idea of making the  meter probe leads interruptible by some kind of hidden switch in the probe, like maybe a springloaded tip that made real contact only when depressed, but could be touched sideways to something without making real contact to the meter circuit.

Even better you could rip out the meter's guts and replace it with an Arduino programmed to display different values for different  meter switch settings or number of probe touches.

The moral of the story: always bring your own meter!
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 12, 2012, 03:22:43 AM
@gadgetmall... heh, it was fun thinking of ways to "fekk" all the items you listed. Let's see....

1) metering the 9v battery: take the battery's guts out and replace with 3 volts of button cells. Combined with the batteries in the meter and the motor, the motor will run fine when touched to the battery terminals and the meter will indicate 9 volts when the battery is measured.
Then read the coil...you get the six volts from the meter battery.

2) Shorting the motor terminals with a metal object: but which motor terminals? Maybe you need to provide continuity from the motor _case_  to one terminal to make it run by the internal batteries, and if you use the regular terminals it works like a  normal motor. Easy to do and easy to make one of the coil's alligator clips contact the case when hooking the coil up. So you could short the terminals with metal, no run. Provide  known DC power to the terminals, run. Hook up coil to the terminals.... with one clip touching the case in a non-obvious way.... run, but on the concealed batteries.

I also like the idea of making the  meter probe leads interruptible by some kind of hidden switch in the probe, like maybe a springloaded tip that made real contact only when depressed, but could be touched sideways to something without making real contact to the meter circuit.

Even better you could rip out the meter's guts and replace it with an Arduino programmed to display different values for different  meter switch settings or number of probe touches.

The moral of the story: always bring your own meter!

SHEEEIT ! well if he reads this forum i guess his next video will go viral ;  0  )
and even snake oil get  IS THIS REAL  !  And i want to puke every time i log in on the front page . Stephan should know better to run that crap day after day . depressing .     It has already drove me Craaaaa zy .
The Coil . the COIYALL .... Must check the Voltage on the COIL .
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2012, 04:06:04 AM
I sort of have to agree.  If I go see a magician...I KNOW I am about to be tricked.  Alt.snakeoil....same thing right?  Mylow....not so much....this coil guy....not so much.  It would not surprise me if he were to start selling kits.....

Ever Lasersaber did something like this for April fool's day...knowing that smart folks would know it was a joke....but...he said it was a joke.  That, to me, is the big difference.

I agree Stefan should remove that video.  He is still traveling in Europe and will be for a while.

Bill
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2012, 04:59:26 AM
Heh.... I'm glad the point of the alt.snakeoil video reports is starting to sink in. Not always or even mostly "fake" either.... I present real stuff with silly explanations more often than not, to poke fun at the silly explanations. The electrostatic demonstrations are like that: totally real, no fakery, just silly explanations.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2012, 05:19:04 AM
TK:

I knew that.  I didn't mean to imply that they were all fakery. (A Mylow word)  Although, it would really not bother me all that much if a guy (or gal) got OU and gave an inaccurate  explanation for why it was happening.  Possibly, this could be me one day.

Bill
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Mark_Eric on September 12, 2012, 09:04:56 AM
@gadgetmall - ".  . .and how many Experiments have you done in the last 4 years ?"

Well, I'm no TK, or Lidmotor, or Skycollection, but I've done a lot of playing around with things. I didn't mean to imply that I thought that this guy was honestly trying to show something anomalous. His refusal to engage with anyone on the subject kinda gives it away. I also enjoy trying to figure out how something can be faked.

What I hate is trying to figure out why someone is getting anomalous results, and in this case, planning on trying a replication since it was so simple, when there isn't actually anything worth pursuing there because someone is being less than honest about what they are showing.

The fact that it was so simple didn't deter me, since I suspect that there is gold to be mined from simple things that maybe no one in the last 50 years or so have tried. Consider Tesla's "hairpin" circuit. That sucker is pretty simple! It produces some really strange effects, but how many people have played with it since Tesla? Five people? Ten people? If Tesla wasn't the source on it, probably even fewer than that would have played with it.

@Pirate88179 - I too don't hold it against someone who's theory of how something works turns out to be wrong. Hopefully, if enough people replicate something, a testable causal mechanism will emerge..
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 12, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
It's cool mark . .I was one of the first to be fooled also and DID build it. The anomalous effect is it is a piece of copper wire and when you wave a magnet over it it induces a small movement on your meter . The other effect is your finger acid touching the probe against copper produces a few micro volts .It just this  Board Owner is not stupid . and i want to puke every time i see that guy get a hit for his scam trick . see he makes money from google every time someone loads that video . and STEPHAN is helping him .he is getting rich  from adsense . can be as much as 30 cents per page load  times  what 100000 plus hits for a fake video .

Correction . The guy so far has got 33,000 plus page  loads from three fake Videos . times that by 30 cents . thats a $9900.00 thousand dollar check sent to him every month if allowed to continue . This Site ALSO makes Money every time the front page is loaded and plus shows his video . So thats a BIG Check .
I have adsense .Anyone can sign up for it and link youtube . i get a tiny check when it adds up to 10 dollars so i know it's a real income . Once i made 120.00 a month for a web site , but 10000.00 dollars for Making a Fake Video is the BOSS. If you were this Guy and made that kind of money would you admit it fake . Hell no . He will keep going now that he saw that check come in . And so will Stephan . Nothing personal but i started a LOCKED TOPIC "MAKING MONEY WITH YOUR FAKE VIDEO . HOW TO >>should i unlock it?


The Point is Someone had to step up to the plate and tell it like it is .I risk probably getting banned but I Believe in truth and i guess . Im your captain . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8MYsii4DZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8MYsii4DZY)

Gadget
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 12, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
Here's a video of a stationary free energy generating coil that really works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=6&feature=plcp3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=6&feature=plcp3)
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 12, 2012, 06:33:19 PM
Here's a video of a stationary free energy generating coil that really works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&;list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&;index=6&;feature=plcp3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=6&feature=plcp3)

Nice Job Synchro1 . Now this is a real energy harvester . Some even call it Zero -point energy.but it's called Tunneling-Effect Energy Converters. Nothing new though but Very real . Some of us have  seen experiments using diodes as energy harvesters and yours is a perfect example of a large coil to collect the millions of electromagnet waves produced by man and by nature tunneled with a  diode{germanium works better) and stored in a capacitor .If you can pick up a radio station that is enough energy along with thermonics. There was something similar years ago that used just aluminum foil capacitor and a flash unit from a camera . it would gather enough electricity and fire off the flash from the Negative potential of the earth ground to the positive potential in the air collected by the foil and stored in a cap ...
Anyways  Nice Build and this one is not fake and worthy of study . We know that Syncro1 and thanks for sharing . I have also seen the damage a one inch neo ball magnet can do playing with the Bedeni no bearing motor one shot in my wall at the other house.If it hits you in the Head your are probably Dead.

If you want a better explanation of it lots of people here know about diode energy . and here is a very good explanation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related)
 
More scientific data :
http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/ZPDiodeProjectSummary.htm (http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/ZPDiodeProjectSummary.htm)

        DARPA: Energy Harvesting Using Rectennas (http://www.coolcadelectronics.com/DARPA_Energy_Harvesting.html)  www.coolcadelectronics.com/DARPA_Energy_Harvesting.html (http://www.coolcadelectronics.com/DARPA_Energy_Harvesting.htm) We propose to help solve the energy crisis by directly harvesting energy from  the use of micro-antennas coupled to rectifying diodes and storage capacitors.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 12, 2012, 08:08:16 PM
Here's a video of a stationary free energy generating coil that really works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=6&feature=plcp3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=6&feature=plcp3)
Thanks for that one synchro1 and gadgetmall - does anyone know exactly how that is wired up?  I ask because I've got a huge spool of that exact same 4 wire stuff as seen in that video that's about 10 inches in diameter.  I was even thinking some bifilar or quadfilar hookup when I picked it up at a garage sale :)   I've got the Schottky's and caps but just would be interested if anyone can suggest best way to wire it up. 

Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 12, 2012, 08:25:12 PM
He probably has it in series . just put all your 4 wires in series like one long wire with the diode and cap . 
here is the summery of that process . 

This executive summary addresses the basic built-in voltage potential for all semiconductor p-n junctions and various rectifying devices suitable for generating DC electricity at “zero bias” (with no bias DC voltage applied whatsoever). Tunnel diodes are one class of rectifiers that are qualified. Even microwave diodes are good choices since many are designed for zero bias operation (see below). Reference articles are attached in the Appendix showing the use of “broadband spiral antennas” and phase conjugate mirrors for amplifying electromagnetic frequencies that make up quantum noise. The tunneling current in the diodes can also be influenced by the use of magnetic fields as low as 10 gauss as well. The recent discovery of a “Brownian Refrigerator” or “the world’s smallest fridge” that “rectifies thermal energy” accentuates the additional spin-off from the ZPE Diode Project:
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: TinselKoala on September 13, 2012, 01:30:03 AM
Thanks for that one synchro1 and gadgetmall - does anyone know exactly how that is wired up?  I ask because I've got a huge spool of that exact same 4 wire stuff as seen in that video that's about 10 inches in diameter.  I was even thinking some bifilar or quadfilar hookup when I picked it up at a garage sale :)   I've got the Schottky's and caps but just would be interested if anyone can suggest best way to wire it up.

You might try something like this. Experiment with different smallish caps across the coil where I have the variable symbol, and a much larger capacity but lower voltage storage cap across the output. If you also put an aerial antenna to the "top" of the coil it might work even better depending on the frequency of the power you are harvesting.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 13, 2012, 01:36:33 AM
@Gadgetmall,
                       Thanks for those DARPA hyperlinks!
@e2matrix,                     
                       The wireing is identical to the Danial McFarland Cook battery patent. This patent and attached wireing schematic predate the incandescent light bulb.
                       
                        It helps to place a 1" neo magnet sphere inside the air core of the 4 wire coil and shake it up a few times to help charge the tiny high voltage capacitor to start it up, then the sphere magnet can be removed and the charge continues to build spontaneously.
 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: truesearch on September 13, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
@synchro1:


Have you replicated the McFarland/Cook battery?? Can you give us some details as to how it was done? Physical coil size and coil wind count? Wire gauge?


truesearch
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 01:43:35 AM
@truesearch,

Yes! 32 gauge magnet wire under 16 gauge household wire, one wrap each, overlapping on 1" diameter dielectric conduit with ferrite or magnet cores 3' long. Two wired as per schematic, capacitor in series with fast switching diode. Electrical tape between the windings. Worked great!
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 14, 2012, 02:09:06 AM
Thanks TK and synchro1 for the ideas.  I'm trying to get time to get this together tonight.  Will post any findings.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 02:34:39 AM
@e2matrix,
                  You have to locate the 2 ends of the 4 wire strand. Strip and seperate the ends. Treat each colored wire as a seperate coil, numered one through four. The top wire one attaches to the top wire three. The top wire two attaches to the top wire four. Same on the bottem. The capacitor and fast switching diode in series attach to the top two junctions.     
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 14, 2012, 03:39:40 AM
Synchro1 . you mind sharing your exact capacitor and diode being we all can get the exact same coil and magnet . TIA

Gadget

I would build a dc to dc down converter on that cap to bring it down to at least 1.5 volts @ minimiun 2 micro amps and you can run a jt oscillator LED/
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 03:41:20 PM
@gadgetmall,
                     
                       I'm in Costa Rica right now far from my shop in Northern California. I can tell you the capacitor was a 2.2 mf used in the French Inverter circuit, and the diode a Radio Shack fast switching Shottky type. Sorry I can't be of more help from down here.
                     
                      The DARPA article mentions the temperature differential generating potential, along with Gauss. The coil should act like a Peltier module with a 10 degree centigrade differential. The coil and diode also apparently generate power from the basic oscillating frequency of magnetisem. The microwave background energy has a very tiny wave length as well and accounts for the spontaneous charge way out in the woods. The fast switching diode is everything. I don't think the capacitor value would make any difference.
                       
                       The other thing I discovered is that any thin gauge bifilar (Joule) wrap coil 28 to 32 gauge magnet wire coil will generate power the same way with the capacitor and fast switching diode in series with the coil leads, both with and without the magnet core. Again, the diode is everything! 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 06:09:33 PM
              Ishmael Aviso invented a Free Energy Generating Coil with a crystal matrix core. His coil is a 2D microwave rectenna. Some theorize he's recieving cell phone signals as well. I attached a photograph of it below. My point is that filling the 4 wire intercom coil core with a mixture of Alum and Borax would capture and rectify the microwaves at the molecular level as well, and increase the output. This would require two seperate disimilar electrodes from the crystal core, and wire in to the same storage capacitor attached to the coil ends. The addition of Tourmaline would add a third dimension. I call the 3D coil "Cosmovoltaic". Ishmael Aviso is a Microwave Engineer.
 
              "Pulverized tourmaline fine powder belongs to far infrared radiation ceramics"! Far infrared and microwave have wave lengths that are in close adjacency. They merge between ten to the fifth and ten to the second hertz. The size proportion is between a butterfly and a person. Melting and bonding these crystals creates a third unique crystal. Additional power is generated from wave resonance in the 3D rectenna as an extra feature.
 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 14, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
@e2matrix,
                  You have to locate the 2 ends of the 4 wire strand. Strip and seperate the ends. Treat each colored wire as a seperate coil, numered one through four. The top wire one attaches to the top wire three. The top wire two attaches to the top wire four. Same on the bottem.  The capacitor and fast switching diode in series attach to the top two junctions.   
That's the info I was really looking for when I asked about wiring it.  I tried some things last night but I started out wiring it like the diagram below.  Then I realized that was all wrong after looking back at JT bifilar winding info (something I never had really gotten into other than the Joule Ringer - which I did have some success with).  Started out like below but was not getting any results.  I attached TK's wiring to 1 and 4 on the outside end.  Nada.  Nothing even on a scope.  Tried lots of values for caps but after I was questioning my quadfilar winding skills I ended up looking at JT stuff and started playing with using it as a JT.  It doesn't make a very good JT though as the core of this large spool is about 2 to 3 inches in diameter and hard to get any ferrite in there.   Ended up the night wiring a bifilar coil on a 1.5" ferrite toroid per JT instructions and wasn't even having much luck with that.  I need to go back the Joule Thief school and then maybe I'll tackle the quadfilar coil. :)   So for now nothing exciting to report other than some anomalies I noticed while playing with that big coil which didn't fit what I expected to happen - but all just very low voltage anomalies.   
One other thing to mention I tried injecting a square wave signal into the coil and was using the Schottky's in an Avramenko configuration which was getting the most voltage out at around 1.725 MHz.  However the coil had little effect on that setup and would produce the same running straight to the Avramenko with just the one lead from the signal generator and no ground.  I was seeing about 15 volts like that.  With just that one lead I could charge up a 1650 Mfd cap fairly fast off the Avramenko and it would produce a good spark when discharged.
 I've often wondered if you have a hundred or more Avramenko plugs all tied to one source if the paralleled output of them would produce a lot of power.  Sorry I'm getting off topic here but Avramenko's seem like they need a lot more attention and exploration.



Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 14, 2012, 08:01:08 PM
@e2matrix,
                  You have to locate the 2 ends of the 4 wire strand. Strip and seperate the ends. Treat each colored wire as a seperate coil, numered one through four. The top wire one attaches to the top wire three. The top wire two attaches to the top wire four. Same on the bottem. The capacitor and fast switching diode in series attach to the top two junctions.     
You may be correct but for some reason it doesn't sound right.  I do much better with a drawing or schematic.  Could you draw a rough one up?  Below is how I picture quadfilar but I'm not sure where the attachment points would be to the rest of the circuit with this setup. 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Low-Q on September 14, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
Overunity currently features a front page video of a thick copper wire coil with a thick center tap spiral copper wire leading nowhere, and a horseshoe VCR magnet glued to the bottem. The video shows the coil and magnet generating 5.92 volts, and running a 9 volt D.C. motor.

I found measured voltage in a bifilar coil with a diametric tube magnet placed in the air core. This effect was tested and reported by me on the forums and adds legitimacy to this incredible video, which seemingly defys logic. This looks simple enough to replicate. I believe it's worth a try.
One big mistake in this claim, because a static non moving magnet cannot generate DC through a coil... Better luck with your claims next time ;-))


Vidar
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 09:21:19 PM
@Low-q,
 
              These videos prove you wrong. I taped them on a very rainy overcast winter's day. The lighting's poor, but the videos are worth watching. There are two videos nested back to back and run together. You need to watch both before the voltage reading finally appears on the multimeter. The disk magnets are in attraction on each end of the power coil. The coil is pulse charged, forcing the permenent magnet field to push away from the center of the coil. When the electromagntic field collapses in the coil, the permanent field reforms in the coil and generates a charge without any moving magnets. The charge circuit and the output circuit are isolated by an industrial DPDT Reed Switch. I tried pulsing the coil without the magnets and got nothing, so it's definitly not BEMF.

I know this is not what you learned in school!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5WSPMeWGdE&feature=channel&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5WSPMeWGdE&feature=channel&list=UL)

@e2matrix,

               Inside 1 to inside 3. Inside 2 to inside 4. Same on the outside. Output from the two junctions on the outside. You found all the wrong ways to wire it. Pay attention to what you're reading.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 14, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
@e2matrix,
 
                  The Joule Theif or Tesla hi-voltage bifilar wrap has 2 wires and 4 ends: 2 inside, 2 outside with the start of the outside attached to the end of the inside. The 4 wire intercom coil has 4 wires and 8 ends. 4 wires inside and 4 wires outside. Now if you go start to end twice and then attach two of those ends together in series, the coil drops dead. The Cook schematic shows 2 parallel loops in series! This way, one coil loop will act as a trigger coil and the other coil loop a power coil in a Bedini circuit.
 
                   Any bifilar Joule Thief Ferrite Toroid, or air core spool, will generate a spontaneous charge with a capacitor and fast switching diode in series attached to the open leads. The 4 wire coil needs to be 2 parallel loop coils in series through the capacitor and diode. This amounts to a very big difference!  I'm sorry if I confused anyone. Try it on an air core bifilar spool of thin magnet wire around 30 gauge wired start to end Joule Thief style. Place a diametric cylinder or tube that fits snugly in the core. Make sure the fast switching diode is functioning correctly and not burned out. I got this charging effect every time, never failed once.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 15, 2012, 01:27:55 AM
You may be correct but for some reason it doesn't sound right.  I do much better with a drawing or schematic.  Could you draw a rough one up?  Below is how I picture quadfilar but I'm not sure where the attachment points would be to the rest of the circuit with this setup. 
This is how it looks according to this cook diagram .with your 4 strand coil intercom wire . you can try diode on two lead same color on end and cap on other two same color . Synchro1 also pointed out he Shook the ball magnet inside the core like a shake up flashlight to start the charging .

Thanks Synchro1  Nice Job and this is a real energy coil not a fake.

Gadget
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2012, 01:56:03 AM
@Gadgetmall,

                       Thank you. It's impossible for me to upload a sketch from here. That's it for the Cook battery! Here to repay your kindness is a very very important discovry of mine, your going to love this: Wired as 2 high voltage bifilars, but kept unconnected, this coil works as a D.C. to A.C. inverter, and voltage doubler! Pulsed D.C. in one bifilar, can be harvested as pure sine wave A.C. from the other at twice the voltage!
 
                       All one has to do is wrap 4 wires on the Joule Thief ferrite toroid, and voila, we can run A.C. incandescent bulbs and A.C. motors, etc. with one tiny oscillating transistor!                     
                 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2012, 03:14:48 AM
Hey Syncro

Very cool. ;] Have you run anything with this circuit?

Calling it a battery is a bit deceiving. Not a fault of yours. Its just most people that have heard of the word battery think, it is a 'temporary' source of power, chemical process. rechargeable. Maybe calling it a 'battery was a way of disguising it from what we think it might be? ;] Anyways, This might work with 4 conductor alarm wire?

Thanks for showing.

Mags


Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2012, 02:54:07 PM
@Magluvin,
                 
                    No, I never ran anything. It looks like it might run something, but it's just a 2.2 mf cap perhaps enough power to produce a tiny spark. I video taped the charge in the avalanche phase. It appears awesome, but for all practical purposes, it's just a toy.
                 
                   The Dragone Magnet Pump has much more potential, and is on topic as a Free Energy Generating Coil. This Magnet Pump is a solid state Lenzless generator. Dragone claimed his simple Magnet Pump patent, which I replicated faithfully, is 40x OU.
                     
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
@Magluvin,
                 
                    No, I never ran anything. It looks like it might run something, but it's just a 2.2 mf cap perhaps enough power to produce a tiny spark. I video taped the charge in the avalanche phase. It appears awesome, but for all practical purposes, it's just a toy.
                 
                   The Dragone Magnet Pump has much more potential, and is on topic as a Free Energy Generating Coil. This Magnet Pump is a solid state Lenzless generator. Dragone claimed his simple Magnet Pump patent, which I replicated faithfully, is 40x OU.
                   

How quickly does the 2.2uf cap charge from 0v?

Mags
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 15, 2012, 11:40:58 PM
How quickly does the 2.2uf cap charge from 0v?

Mags
             
             Starting from 0 it can take overnight for a charge to begin to appear. With an assist from a stationary magnet the charge starts almost imediately, and after that climbs in conformance with the standard charge curve for about an hour before it tops off: also the charge rate appears to be diurnal, higher around 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. PST.
 
 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2012, 06:22:52 PM
           I built and tested a Velleman Pulse Width Modulator for the Dragone Magnet Pump. My next video should increase the forty times over unity factor claimed by the inventor by a factor of two hundred and fifty thousand.

           This PDF of Leon's is somewhat turgid, but in the final diagram, one can see that the permanent magnet field is pushed over to one side at an angle of 45 Degrees by the coil charge sandwiched between the disk magnets. Note the size of the disk magnets and their polarity.

http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Energetics%20of%20Ferromagnetism%20by%20Leon%20Dragone.pdf (http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Energetics%20of%20Ferromagnetism%20by%20Leon%20Dragone.pdf)
 
            The increased power factor of the Tesla Hi-Voltage wrap, as used by me in the Magnet Pump, should increase the OU factor from 40x to 10,000,000x over the standard coil used by Dr. Dragone in his output calculations. This makes it a technical Floyd Sweet VTA.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 16, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
It Appears that someone is selling Ant and ground free energy coil on ebay . http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a)
Claims to charge a cell phone

possibly Tesla ? Like in this diagram
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 16, 2012, 08:08:03 PM
It Appears that someone is selling Ant and ground free energy coil on ebay . http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a)

             The output of this unit is directly proportional to the size of the antenna. Attached to an aluminium street lamp pole, it could generate enough power from ground to illuminate the overhead lamp.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: kooler on September 16, 2012, 09:00:16 PM
It Appears that someone is selling Ant and ground free energy coil on ebay .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRC4tK02aco (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRC4tK02aco)
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on September 16, 2012, 09:41:51 PM
Hi Syncrho,

Thanks for the Leon paper.

Would this work with a smaller coil inside a larger coil?

Step 1: Build up field of internal smaller coil.

Step 2: Build up inverse field in outer coil to compress the inner coils field.

Step 3: Quickly quench outer coil to load.

Step 4: Rapidly expanding inner field cuts outer coil which runs through load.

Loop back to Step 2
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2012, 12:16:59 AM
@DreamThinkBuild,

            I wondered about that myself because the cost of the neodydmiums is so great now. I'm certain it would generate power, but it would most likely be<OU. Floyd Sweet's Vacuum Triode Amplifier or VTA, named by Colonel Bearden has the same three components, a coil sandwiched between two block magnets. Floyd used a Hi-Voltage coil to pulse and recover output and claimed 10's of Mega range OU factor. Floyd conditioned his own magnets by charging ceramic metals with wall current. Without the magnets, I think you'd just be treading water.   
 
             My Dragone Magnet Pump in the video is technically a Floyd Sweet VTA without the PWM circuit due to the use of the Hi-Voltage coil.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2012, 03:16:40 AM
@DreamThinkBuild,,
 
JL Naudin's 2Sgen is a Magnet Pump too! JLN'S Magnet Pump works the same way as Dr. Dragone's and Floyd Sweets VTA. This variation's 8x overunity. The high permeability of the metglass toroid allows for higher pulse frequency. The toroid's magnatized by the tiny disk neo. The charge appears in the coil when the toroid field remanifests in the copper wire after coil compression's released after collapse.

High permeability diamagnetic semiconductor toroid cores can easily be cold molded by mixing pyrite (Fools Gold) with a good bonding agent.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on September 17, 2012, 04:37:44 AM
It Appears that someone is selling Ant and ground free energy coil on ebay . http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Real-Free-Energy-Generator-Device-Electric-power-from-the-air-WORKING-UNIT-/261099190794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccab97a0a)
Claims to charge a cell phone

possibly Tesla ? Like in this diagram


Thanks gadgetmall for the diagram.  I think that is correct for the Cook configuration although a bifilar, tri or quadfilar from what I've found seems to always connect a pair of wires from opposite ends together.  BTW that diagram with the dual Avramenko setup you posted like below is one I decided to try today.  It slowly built up to over 2.5 volts in about 20 minutes once I switched to some glass diodes.  I started with Schottky's but they were barely getting 1 millivolt.  I think the glass diodes were germanium but not 1n34's.   
I also finally graduated from Joule Thief school  - LOL  - I dont' think I ever had built one that worked but got one to work easily today.  I think my attempt last night was with a bad transistor.  I was trying to get one also built per Groundloops extra low current version to try running that off the dual Avramenko power (thus no battery at all) but GL's setup didn't work at all for me.  The regular JT would light off the dual AV plug just for a blink but that was all.  I didn't really have an Antenna setup either - just a wire hanging out a 2nd story window.  It did seem to help a bit when I ran it through that big coil of intercom wire though. 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2012, 09:06:45 AM

Thanks gadgetmall for the diagram.  I think that is correct for the Cook configuration although a bifilar, tri or quadfilar from what I've found seems to always connect a pair of wires from opposite ends together.  BTW that diagram with the dual Avramenko setup you posted like below is one I decided to try today.  It slowly built up to over 2.5 volts in about 20 minutes once I switched to some glass diodes.  I started with Schottky's but they were barely getting 1 millivolt.  I think the glass diodes were germanium but not 1n34's.   
I also finally graduated from Joule Thief school  - LOL  - I dont' think I ever had built one that worked but got one to work easily today.  I think my attempt last night was with a bad transistor.  I was trying to get one also built per Groundloops extra low current version to try running that off the dual Avramenko power (thus no battery at all) but GL's setup didn't work at all for me.  The regular JT would light off the dual AV plug just for a blink but that was all.  I didn't really have an Antenna setup either - just a wire hanging out a 2nd story window.  It did seem to help a bit when I ran it through that big coil of intercom wire though.
@ematrix2,
                 I think it would help if the intercom wire antenna were wired like you're "wrong way to wire quadfilar". Also, it would help to unwind it and cover an east west wall, running the wire back and forth.
                 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 17, 2012, 09:18:09 AM
             Dragone shows an axial polarized magnet next to a standard coil that equals the magnet in electromagnetic strength. The coil's magnetic strength is a function of wire thickness, number of turns, and power supplied. That's described in his equation of Ampere's law. The upshot is when the permanent magnet and the coil pick up the same number of iron tacks, the permanent magnet has a power equal to 1a. This is the power it takes to suppress and neutralize the field of the permanent magnet.

             The Bi-Filar hi-voltage Tesla wrap has a c factor of 250,000 times the power of a standard coil. This is the type of wrap JLN uses to cover his metglass toroid with. One can see at a glance where the overunity factor comes from. The Neo Disks in my Dragone Pump are millions of times the strength of JLN'S toroid. These magnets do work on the bifilar coil and absorb ambient room heat to restructure the Quantum Layer disturbed by the coil torque. This heat exchange generates the electrical output, and takes place on the atomic level.
 
 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: gadgetmall on September 18, 2012, 01:07:21 PM
@E2matrix Hey Congrats on Jt school  . the main problem every one has was connecting the oppisite ends together . then if it didn't light you switch the wires on the base and emitter . getting that in phase is the main thing on any Jt . I have adiagram to make a jt run on just 2 micro amps at 0.3 volts if intrested ,...

Glad it's working for you . Yes i tried the Bifiallar setup and it didn't work for me either . The way i drew it is exactly the way it is in the cook battery diagram . we use one wire off each set of coils ..
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Doug1 on September 18, 2012, 02:30:58 PM
Drogone's paper looks like a variant of Teslas work on pat 413353. Telsa has one version using perminent magnets but his dicriptions are more vague.
  The cylinder with the winding can be found in electric wheel chairs. On the end of the motor is a breaking unit built exactly as drawn in Drogone's drwingings. Just in case anyone wanted to go an easier route with off the shelf parts. You just need a magnet to fit inside the center hollow tube.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on September 18, 2012, 02:51:34 PM
@Gadgetmall,

        Try placing a diametric tube magnet in the air core of a bifilar spool of thin gauge magnet wire connected Tesla Hi-Voltage. Connect a capacitor and fast switching diode in series between the leads, and measure the capacitor voltage. There's no way this won't work!
 
@Doug1,

              What's the magnet coil do on the wheel chair, charge the battery?  Here's a better look at the Magnet Pump. This Tesla bifilar was professionally shop wound  1 to 1. Wired this way, looped back to source, the experiment was designed to demonstrate pooof of overunity. Too bad it fried!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcZMojb_-I&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=19&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcZMojb_-I&list=UUGj-eKaG5_tMGNr_yuLePkA&index=19&feature=plcp)   
               
Here's a hyperlink to Tesla's patent 413353:

http://www.magnetosynergie.com/Downloads/Brevets-N-Tesla/BT026.pdf (http://www.magnetosynergie.com/Downloads/Brevets-N-Tesla/BT026.pdf)
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Hope on October 13, 2012, 07:53:35 AM

Thanks gadgetmall for the diagram.  I think that is correct for the Cook configuration although a bifilar, tri or quadfilar from what I've found seems to always connect a pair of wires from opposite ends together.  BTW that diagram with the dual Avramenko setup you posted like below is one I decided to try today.  It slowly built up to over 2.5 volts in about 20 minutes once I switched to some glass diodes.  I started with Schottky's but they were barely getting 1 millivolt.  I think the glass diodes were germanium but not 1n34's.   
I also finally graduated from Joule Thief school  - LOL  - I dont' think I ever had built one that worked but got one to work easily today.  I think my attempt last night was with a bad transistor.  I was trying to get one also built per Groundloops extra low current version to try running that off the dual Avramenko power (thus no battery at all) but GL's setup didn't work at all for me.  The regular JT would light off the dual AV plug just for a blink but that was all.  I didn't really have an Antenna setup either - just a wire hanging out a 2nd story window.  It did seem to help a bit when I ran it through that big coil of intercom wire though.




Not clear to me here, is that schematic the working one you are using eman?


Also, Stephan had a BOXMOTOR video showing results as the first video after the OU banner video.   I could not get the "more info" button to work.   Please link me to that topic or tell me how to research it?  Thx  Hope  (Richard)   I am going back to all the items Tesla had to work with..,....somewhere they hid the conduction ....my bet is they made all the wire insulated for more than just insulation for our safety.

Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: Doug1 on October 13, 2012, 12:14:53 PM
Gadget
  "What's the magnet coil do on the wheel chair, charge the battery?"
   It's a breaking device, works backwards. Alaways on unless you energize it in the other direction to release it. When it is on or off all the way it will stay in that possition without additional input. If the elec magnet is partially energized it will provide light drag or feathered breaking without feeding it continously. It's a fairly nice piece of work.
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on October 13, 2012, 04:52:54 PM
@Doug1,
 
           Thanks for the wheel chair brake explaination.
 
 
           Here's a video by Nickz where he lights an LED off an exciter with no battery attached. He theorizes the power comes from the "stray capacitive link between the household A.C. and the Exciter".
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur_VChGdzE&feature=channel&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xur_VChGdzE&feature=channel&list=UL)
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: e2matrix on October 14, 2012, 02:27:32 AM



Not clear to me here, is that schematic the working one you are using eman?


Also, Stephan had a BOXMOTOR video showing results as the first video after the OU banner video.   I could not get the "more info" button to work.   Please link me to that topic or tell me how to research it?  Thx  Hope  (Richard)   I am going back to all the items Tesla had to work with..,....somewhere they hid the conduction ....my bet is they made all the wire insulated for more than just insulation for our safety.

Yes,  that is essentially what I was trying.  I was not seeing enough power from that setup to dig into it further but sometime I'd like to try it with a large outside antenna or large metal plate like Tesla has shown in some of his devices. 
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on October 15, 2012, 04:15:19 AM
Dr. Kanzius burned saltwater by broadcasting RF signals at 13.56 Mhz. Dr Stiffler illuminates a large rack of LED's by capturing RF power on the same bandwidth of 13.56 Mhz. He substitutes the capacitive resistance of two aluminum blocks for the ground, and captures the background excitement of the Hydrogen Molecule, perhaps generated by the pounding Ocean surf on the shore line! This thought occured to me as an explanation for the power I generate with my four wire intercom coil which I tested on the North Coast of California, in close adjacency to the Ocean Surf!
Title: Re: Free energy generating coil.
Post by: synchro1 on October 15, 2012, 05:58:37 PM
I think I might be on to something here by way of theoretical explanation. Here's a video of Lidmotors Loop antenna. It's a coil of Litz in series with a capacitor. Dr. Stiffler uses this kind of loop antenna to recieve his power signal at 13.56 Mhz. This is practically identical to the intercom coil, two loops attached in series to a capacitor through a glass diode. Take a look at this to start:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrQH1ww6q7s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrQH1ww6q7s)
 
Stiffler posted a video where he lights an LED with three free energy coils, a capacitor and diode. The Intercom Coil has four.
 
 
"In the Stiffler system, Dr. Stiffler uses only a capacitor, a diode, and three coils in resonance."

"In a replicated system posted by K4ZEP, only three coils are used. The output is obvious as the LED lights up. K4ZEP claims that it will also work with radio frequencies as the input."
 
K4zep states the three coil resonating circuit is running at 14.9 Mhz. This is pretty close to the 13.56 of Kanzius and Stiffler:

My base frequency is 14.9 megahertz but I am also getting a big spike down below almost the bottom of the pass band of this device. and it is just all over the place it has become very much more active I just discovered my RF meter here laying on the table top is showing 35 mv of RF down here, from up here, down here. And as you can see I am running 14.903 megahertz wrf 6.6 resistance of 31 ohms and an impedance of 75 or 76 ohms.

For some unknown reason, K4zep has taken down his videos.