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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #405 on: March 24, 2013, 04:39:41 PM »
That is very funny. Rose not only thinks Tk is Brian Little, but she thinks I have many aliases. lol. And she points me out as if I am saying something against Lawrence here.

Do you feel that I am working against you Lawrence? ;D   Rose apparently thinks so. She is a strange bird. I only offered some knowledge from my experience with nimh batteries. AND Im ordering a test board, because I saw the results presented and I need to see it for myself. ;)

Rose claims to have found proof of the Higgs Boson before it was 'really' seen, or identified, just the other day.
I suppose she uses the same method to 'imply' that TK and I are many people. :o ;)

Rose, Just who else do you think I am here, just for giggles?
Jimmy da Higg, from Boson? lol

Isnt it ironic that she herself has used many names? Even here to get by being banned so she can post. Almost criminal. Heck, I was banned from OUR and for the most part I was defending Rose at the time. I am no longer banned as I came to terms with Poynt, and I was wrong. And I not once used a fictitious name to log into OUR during the time I was banned like she did here, many times with many names.

Jimmy da Higg, from Boson  ;)

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #406 on: March 24, 2013, 07:10:56 PM »
@TK:
 
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg24855#msg24855
Reply 2 on 2012-8-22.
 
See Slides 4, 6, 8 of the pdf file.   Slide 4 showed 300 LEDs in my bedroom.  Slide 6 showed the team first achieved OU in 2010.  Slide 8 showed 1,000 LEDS at G-LED USA.

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #407 on: March 24, 2013, 08:10:59 PM »
@Testers
 
I focused on the BSI demo board built on Aug 21, 2012 (as BSI Hong Kong can produce thousands in its China factory per month.)  I used two rechargeable AA batteries (energizer) slightly drained down to 1.26V on March 24, 2013.  The batteries were swapped in from time to time.  Sometimes, there were no batteries and the capacitor would continue to light the 38 LEDS making up the BSI logo.
 
From the oscilloscope screens, I could see the fluctuations in charging.  Sometimes there was charging.  Sometimes there was NO charging.  When there was NO charging, I did the swapping.  Thus the two batteries had much "rest" time. 
 
Those two 1.26V batteries were recharged back to over 1.4V which is close to FULL charge for such rechargeable batteries.  The 38 LEDs were ON with full brightness for these entire 2 days.  Please repeat this particular experiment with your boards.  You may just use a voltmeter to check the battery voltage.  This experiment will be repeated by me in the next few days with the now fully charged AA batteries and see if I can achieve the Forever Lighted Lamp.
 
@Bill
I believe some of the impressive results of your JTs are due to similar mechanisms.  Please use a good DSO to do the full analysis.  You might have achieved OU without knowing it.  Without the DSO, one cannot "see".
 
This single experiment will silence all naysayers.  The demo board may be improved to become an automatic swapped Forever Lighted Lamp.  Such a Board will convince all Politicians and Academics to pour resources in Lead-out energy research.  They do not need to be physicists to understand the complex waveforms and oscilloscope analysis.
 
The Divine Wine is here.....

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #408 on: March 25, 2013, 06:46:33 AM »
Lawrence:

Thank you.  I know I will have achieved O.U. when I have a self-runner.  Unless and until then, I do not need a new scope to tell me.  Your researchers should try this.  It would settle any and all measurement discussions.

Thanks,

Bill

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #409 on: March 25, 2013, 03:57:40 PM »
Lawrence:

Thank you.  I know I will have achieved O.U. when I have a self-runner.  Unless and until then, I do not need a new scope to tell me.  Your researchers should try this.  It would settle any and all measurement discussions.

Thanks,

Bill

@Bill,
 
A self runner can be very elusive.  For example, the BSI board lighting 38 LEDs could recharge two 1.26V rechargeable AA batteries (energizer) back to over 1.4V and lighting the 38 LEDs for 3 days now.  I did the swapping of batteries when the charging changed to draining.  With luck or God's Blessing, the charging would come back again.
 
The bad news is:  Sometimes, the battery would keep on dropping in voltage (draining).  This now occurred in one of the four rechargeable batteries.  Such happening was detected by my team over 3 years ago.  It was also reported by many other researchers.  I do not know the solution myself yet.  Some of those I introduced the technology to said that they solved this problem.  Since my job is to sow seeds, I shall just post my observations.  Let other "farmers" solve the problem and sell products.
 
Let us see whether my two fully charged batteries now will keep their charge and light the LEDs at the same time.  My last similar experiment lasted 3 weeks.  The oscilloscope screens (or the voltmeter) can tell me when the charging stopped but it cannot tell me why.  The "farmers" will have to do much more research.
 
I use the oscilloscopes to "see" what is going on.....
God Bless
 

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #410 on: March 26, 2013, 03:35:40 AM »
@TK:
 
See http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg24855#msg24855
Reply 2 on 2012-8-22.
 
See Slides 4, 6, 8 of the pdf file.   Slide 4 showed 300 LEDs in my bedroom.  Slide 6 showed the team first achieved OU in 2010.  Slide 8 showed 1,000 LEDS at G-LED USA.

Ah... you are using a 2n3055 and much more than a single AA battery to light your "thousands" of LEDs.

When you first mentioned this number, I thought we were talking about your 2n2222 circuit and low input power. I am not interested in using higher input power.

Please take a look at this 2n3055 JT which lights up six NE-2 neons in series, which require 90 volts each. My power source is a single, depleted AAA battery. Your oscilloscope measuring technique and tools would find an amazing COP for this little puppy.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #411 on: March 26, 2013, 03:41:28 AM »
@Lawrence: Thank you for reporting your results, including your recent "bad news". You have encountered the typical problem that happens when batteries are "pulse-charged" by spiky, relatively high voltage pulses. This imparts a "fluffy charge" which reads as a raised voltage, but does NOT in fact indicate an increased energy storage in the battery. It's as if some of the "back rank" reserve soldiers have been brought to the front line to add to voltage, but some of them go home instead -- never to return. So you wind up with fewer total "soldiers" even though you have more on the front line at your voltmeter.
Further, the spiky charging eventually damages even the most robust lead acid battery types and causes loss of overall performance. There may be a solution to this latter problem, by avoiding spikes and using known, low voltage, current-limited charging regimes. But then you don't get your fluffy charge, either.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #412 on: March 26, 2013, 03:45:40 AM »
That is very funny. Rose not only thinks Tk is Brian Little, but she thinks I have many aliases. lol. And she points me out as if I am saying something against Lawrence here.

Do you feel that I am working against you Lawrence? ;D   Rose apparently thinks so. She is a strange bird. I only offered some knowledge from my experience with nimh batteries. AND Im ordering a test board, because I saw the results presented and I need to see it for myself. ;)

Rose claims to have found proof of the Higgs Boson before it was 'really' seen, or identified, just the other day.
I suppose she uses the same method to 'imply' that TK and I are many people. :o ;)

Rose, Just who else do you think I am here, just for giggles?
Jimmy da Higg, from Boson? lol

Isnt it ironic that she herself has used many names? Even here to get by being banned so she can post. Almost criminal. Heck, I was banned from OUR and for the most part I was defending Rose at the time. I am no longer banned as I came to terms with Poynt, and I was wrong. And I not once used a fictitious name to log into OUR during the time I was banned like she did here, many times with many names.

Jimmy da Higg, from Boson  ;)

Now the idiot loon thinks she's closing in on the elusive "Brian (or Bryan) Little". And she can't seem to make up her mind whether I am you, you are me, or we are all together (goo goo g'joob).
She's accusing Brian Little of THEFT ! I sure hope her imaginary lawyers are paying attention... and I sure hope she actually does contact this Bryan Little person she thinks she's identified.

ETA: As it happens (I just checked) the University of Texas has NINE campuses and SIX medical research health centers and hospitals scattered all across the state. And I haven't set foot in any one of them in twenty years. 

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #413 on: March 26, 2013, 04:35:32 AM »
Ah... you are using a 2n3055 and much more than a single AA battery to light your "thousands" of LEDs.

When you first mentioned this number, I thought we were talking about your 2n2222 circuit and low input power. I am not interested in using higher input power.

Please take a look at this 2n3055 JT which lights up six NE-2 neons in series, which require 90 volts each. My power source is a single, depleted AAA battery. Your oscilloscope measuring technique and tools would find an amazing COP for this little puppy.
@TK
 
If you are willing, I can arrange one or more testers to test your "puppy" and post the resulting COP (together with the full oscilloscope analysis).  I believe you, Bill and many others already have OU greater than 1  (as measured by my technique) circuits with Net Average Negative Input Power.
 
@testers
 
Tester J suggested that I recharge the "bad" battery using conventional means (supplied battery charger) and repeat.  It worked.  The battery could be "recharged" again by my boards.  But this means providing energy from known sources.  I prefer to keep using the two "good and still working" rechargeable AA batteries and see their voltages in the next few days - while lighting the 38 LEDs to full brightness at the same time.

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #414 on: March 26, 2013, 05:41:33 AM »
Now the idiot loon thinks she's closing in on the elusive "Brian (or Bryan) Little". And she can't seem to make up her mind whether I am you, you are me, or we are all together (goo goo g'joob).
She's accusing Brian Little of THEFT ! I sure hope her imaginary lawyers are paying attention... and I sure hope she actually does contact this Bryan Little person she thinks she's identified.

ETA: As it happens (I just checked) the University of Texas has NINE campuses and SIX medical research health centers and hospitals scattered all across the state. And I haven't set foot in any one of them in twenty years.

Im Jimmy see, myeah. Jimmy da Higg, myeah see. She tinks she put da lock on me see, myeah. Willy n da boys sez dey are wit me on diss, see. Myeah. She tinks she found da Higgs wit da choppa see. Aint no choppa gunna get me see, myeah.

Jimmy da Higg  from Boson  ;)

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #415 on: March 26, 2013, 06:05:38 AM »
@TK
 
If you are willing, I can arrange one or more testers to test your "puppy" and post the resulting COP (together with the full oscilloscope analysis).  I believe you, Bill and many others already have OU greater than 1  (as measured by my technique) circuits with Net Average Negative Input Power.
 
@testers
 
Tester J suggested that I recharge the "bad" battery using conventional means (supplied battery charger) and repeat.  It worked.  The battery could be "recharged" again by my boards.  But this means providing energy from known sources.  I prefer to keep using the two "good and still working" rechargeable AA batteries and see their voltages in the next few days - while lighting the 38 LEDs to full brightness at the same time.

Lawrence:

With all due respect, while I appreciate your reference to my work,  I do not have, nor have ever had, nor claimed, O.U. for any of my JT circuits.  Many of my circuits were but replications of others.  As I have said years ago, the JT circuit is NOT O.U. BUT, it may be a vital component of a future O.U. circuit.  I still stand by this.

Thanks,

Bill

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #416 on: March 26, 2013, 07:49:40 AM »
Tester J asked to calculate the COP for my theoretical circuit and compare it to the observed oscilloscope results.
 
Here it is.  The two figures should be simple and clear Physics.  Once we assume the existence of a "hidden pulsing energy source", experimental data becomes clear.
 
I believe the two figures are the essense of my contribution to this field of research - Lead-out energy.
 

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #417 on: March 26, 2013, 07:55:34 AM »
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Dear  Lawrence,

Thank you for your email titled    Hong Kong will be able to lead the World in Energy research
to the Central Policy Unit dated 18.3.2013.  Your suggestions have been conveyed to relevant policy bureau for consideration.


Regards,
         
Samantha Tang Tel: 2810 2362
(for Head, Central Policy Unit)
 
I am getting Board 80 ready for the Hong Kong Government.  The results will be posted here soon.
 
*** Board 81 was a reject.

 

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #418 on: March 26, 2013, 03:24:06 PM »
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Dear Lawrence,
 
Thank-you for your email and your kind proposal. We would be very
interested in receiving a test-ready board.
 
I enclose our contact info and mailing address below.
 
Contact:
Lasse Johansson
 
Address:
Institute of Ecological Technology
Krokegatan 4
S-413 18 Göteborg
Sweden
 
 
Kindly,
 
Lasse Johansson
Institute of Ecological Technology

Another tester in Sweden.
 

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?
« Reply #419 on: March 26, 2013, 06:08:06 PM »
Any estimate of what one test board would cost shipped to U.S. ?